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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 25, 2023, 07:27:18 pm »
Here is my reply.

"I'm actually wondering whether we should start a topic solely for posting Counterculture-era commercials. What do you think?"

Do it. I would like to see what other products were promoted during Counterculture era.

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 23, 2023, 11:00:54 pm »
"These always struck me as rather dull:"

Probably because they feel more like instruments playing than a musical experience. It's like that version of one of the songs you posted:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg20974/#msg20974

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqbnRPq66lA

"perhaps you might also like the prior single:

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Do you?"

I do. I have heard Chinen's music ever since you recommended it to me, including 'Wings'. The song has a good tone, the rhythm is bouncy and calming, there is some emotional impact, and it fits well with the MV. Whereas 'Be Yourself' took place by a field, 'Wings' took place by a beach. How much water is in it feels like one of those water-filled gravure presentations you posted.

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 23, 2023, 08:20:38 pm »
I'm assuming not even D&D could coincide with truly Countercultural music.

What is D&D at best and at worst?

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 22, 2023, 08:24:49 am »
"It is up to you. I prefer dialogue, but I can always just go back to posting whatever I am listening to myself."

We can end it here for now. If I have something to talk about, I will start it. But for now, I might take a break.

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 21, 2023, 10:31:26 pm »
"Perhaps it is the collaborative element itself? People working together for a special occasion have a different chemistry compared to people (e.g. a band/group) who work together all the time."

I guess when something exciting or energetic is done for a special occasion, it generates excitement. Similarly D&D, despite being rookies, only released one album (being low in quantity) leading them to be a unit to remember (being high in quality).

K-pop companies do not learn from it. Though companies like YG intend to be about quality over quantity, the amount of releases of energetic music does not generate the same quality enjoyment as D&D and the first three collaborations. Even their wardrobe is Eurocentric. That has not stopped spoiled K-pop fans from demanding Blackpink to release a comeback:

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/blackpink-fans-protest-yg-entertainment-8546381/

"The next grand collaboration after these three was indescribably inferior, and my theory might account for why."

That is almost exactly like all those K-pop idol MVs. The party music, embellished sets, quantity classifications of cinematography and editing, and even their face shapes are low in quality. Though I do not have as much prior knowledge on the artists of the first three collaborations either, I would feel hyped when my favorite people are together. Even then, that should also be saved for special occasions.

I am learning a lot from our conversation and I feel inspired. However, since all good things must come to an end, should we end right here?

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 21, 2023, 10:50:31 am »
"This is the case with Yeung, who clearly never even bothered to understand what the song is supposed to be about and is merely transferring the lyrics straight off the page into the mic via her mouth."

I understand. Yeung is innocent, but Kwan and Fan are more sensitive.

"Which is why for a few years she specialized in children's songs:"

I did not know that, but it makes sense.

"who found her true voice by attending a concert of her own idol:"

So in other words, the radical individualist approach works for vocal training.

"Having once found her true voice, she thereafter never changed it again, which is what I support."

I guess that is the closest thing to neoteny that vocal training can do.

"Where does this earliest one (Kwok being one of the participants) fall along your casualness spectrum compared to the other two?"

The earliest feels more casual than Polygram's collab in terms of how toned down it was, but Polygram's feels more casual for how much fun and emotion it feels to have. But either way, they are both less casual than Capital's later collab due to its emotion.

Frankly, I wasn't sure what the term was for the two collabs that make them different from other cliche dance songs. What would make an energetic song work better than another energetic song? What did the collab have that other energetic songs do not have?

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 20, 2023, 09:19:39 am »
"See what I mean?"

I see that even though Kwan's voice has more innocence than Yeung's, Kwan still has a hint of maturity compared to Fan's who sounds like she retained it from childhood. That gives me a thought. Vocal training and care should not try to change one's voice or 'improve' it, but to prevent damage to their current voice. On the other hand, could her vegetarianism be the reason for her voice?

"Kudo responded deftly with a single whose A-side demonstrated that she could beat the dance-freaks at their own speciality any day she wanted to:

...

more importantly whose B-side pointed back to what truly timeless music sounds like:"

Though Kudo's A-side was more organic than Amuro's song while still being danceable, we can judge the emotion of the B-side better since it does not have an added dance beat.

"since you like energetic dance songs, what do you think of the following two (rivalling) grand collaborations?"

I remember when you posted it when you were contrasting them to K-pop music. Here's my comment on them. Along with the first song, 'Wou Bom Ba', the vibe felt more casual and day-like than the dance songs by Amuro and Kwok. The video also suits the song. D&D also feels more casual for dance music. Why is that?

As for the second song 'Ai Qing Shang Lian La La La', it was more casual and organic and had more emotion than the first one.

Here is something else I thought. Similar to how ballads are more timeless than dance songs, acoustic music is also more timeless than electronic music. I do not know how fair it is to judge instrumentation since all instruments have their individualities, but electronic instruments needs more energy and thus being more complex and with less quality than acoustic instruments. Post-Renaissance instruments like the harpsichord and piano are also less convenient than pre-Renaissance instruments. I assume instruments like the harp also became heavy and inconvenient by the Renaissance. The DAWless trend uses electronic instruments that are smaller and more convenient, which probably explained the Synth-pop movement of the 1980s:

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The emergence of synth-pop has been described as "perhaps the single most significant event in melodic music since Mersey-beat". By the 1980s synthesizers had become much cheaper and easier to use. After the definition of MIDI in 1982 and the development of digital audio, the creation of purely electronic sounds and their manipulation became much simpler. Synthesizers came to dominate the pop music of the early 1980s, particularly through their adoption by bands of the New Romantic movement.

So in order for a culture to happen, it must be accessible. It is a part of:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 18, 2023, 08:09:41 am »
"This was the norm for thousands of years before recording existed!"

This gives me a thought. Individual with fewer talents contribute more to their talents than an individual with more talents do to their talents. One reason why Nakata's music (including his songs made for Perfume) sounds mediocre is because he does more than just music. Not to recommend anymore music from him, but in one of his 'golden rules' at 6:33 (note the low quality aesthetics) (Mute your audio if you need to.):

https://youtu.be/5WMyjU5RweU?t=393

So in other words, he does not even contribute that much to music. You can tell from the art direction, the overly compressed production and even his clothes that his aesthetics are spiritless. Wagner on the other hand did not intend to create his total artwork by himself. Hitler did not intend to create his whole NS state by himself either, as he simply approved of the architecture, uniforms, art, propaganda, politics, etc.

"Case study:

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steamrolled for eternity by:"

The first singer sounded more motherly while the second singer, Kwan, sounded more childlike. There is more emotion and innocence in Kwan's voice.

"Even more fun is when you commission a song from a composer, release it:

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and then the composer himself(!) releases his own infinitely superior version to show the world how it was meant to sound:"

I would be happy to comment on the composition since I love compositions. The first version was a good simple start but it did need improvement. As for the second version, it sounded like it was grown out of the composer's imagination. Though I am a fan of energetic and danceable music, there is something about a good quality ballad that feels magical.

Something I learned about art. Simpler aesthetics are quicker to create. But when a relatively simple aesthetic takes the same amount of time to create as a relatively complex aesthetic, the former has more quality than the latter.

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 16, 2023, 08:51:29 pm »
"back then it was a viable path for some musicians to be literal recording artists who concentrated primarily on recording:"

Could the same be said for performers to concentrate on performing?

"Some people like to try over and over until they get exactly the effect they want."

What about those who are required to get the effect by a due date? Because that was the point I was trying to make. Rather than practicing over and over until they get their effect by their own pace, some artists are challenged to get their effect by a certain deadline. If I am wrong, explain.

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Counterculture Era / Re: Recommended music to listen to
« on: July 15, 2023, 01:27:51 pm »
Here is my reply.

Those were sincere songs. I liked the third song, the last build of momentum. One thing I see in the music you like is that they were easy to follow along. You cannot get that with most of today's electronic music. Even Counterculture electronic music was that simple. This reminds me of a quote about northern and southern climates:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/msg20860/#msg20860

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People in the north had to evolve not just the intelligence to build shelter, make warm clothes, and invent weapons for killing big game. They had to think ahead, and this is one of the most important human traits.

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How much better would the world be with less thinking ahead?

From that logic, a good song requires less deadline-based rehearsals. Deadlines reflects an artist's skill but limits their imagination. I believe a true rehearsal should not have a due date to complete by, but rather be a lifestyle. That way the artist/performer can go by their own pace and will also feel more prepared when a gig comes. Not only that but it will feel less like work and more like a hobby (contrast with an artist/performer who rehearses just for one gig).

What do you guys think? This topic does not have to be between me and 90sRF. It could use other people too.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: July 15, 2023, 12:26:23 pm »
Next time, I probably should say that I do not intend to continue if I was that nervous.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: July 15, 2023, 12:21:02 pm »
Maybe to be frank, I do not have anything to reply about. I was also nervous and I think it was appropriate to leave it there.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Arctic alliance
« on: July 14, 2023, 03:01:33 pm »
And yet my Jewish family members say the "royal" family is "anti-semitic" because the Queen simply never visited Israel. There are other reasons to hate the family, but not visiting a certain country (i.e. Israel) is not one of them. For that, the monarch deserves some credit, but even that does not help the monarch's pro-Western behavior.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: June 24, 2023, 09:58:52 am »
I do. I am just a little nervous because we have different tastes in music.

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Questions & Debates / Re: Questions Regarding Aryanism
« on: June 23, 2023, 10:39:58 pm »
Thank you for making that clear.

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