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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #135 on: September 15, 2023, 07:28:47 pm »
Also:

https://twitter.com/rudrabhoj/status/1674669798213525506

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Jaisalmeri Jangalee Chicken carrying 140 gram protein, eatable in one serving. Veganism is r*tarded.

https://twitter.com/rudrabhoj/status/1675035107776684034

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Today's office brunch. Half KG Jaisalmeri Jungalee Chicken (breast) and 150g of Nihari. With Khameeri Roti. I expect at least 100 liters of soy tears.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #136 on: September 18, 2023, 04:55:49 am »
https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1661733119341531140
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The rural parts of Haryana, Punjab and Rajasthan have the highest average daily protein intake per capita in India at 70+ grams.

These states get most of their protein from consumption of dairy.

Lot of 🐄 🥛 🧀


https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1661735724352434177
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Rural areas of these three states consume more protein (more dairy) than urban areas! No shocker there.

Also, these states have the tallest men in India as well.

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This might lead one to think that North Indians are categorically inferior to South Indians. But wait!:
https://x.com/arya_amsha/status/1661735057508425728?s=20
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These three states consume the lowest meat/eggs per capita too.

Since dairy has a lot of protein in it, one doesn't need to eat meat to meet RDA for protein intake.


BTW, height is primarily due to genetics IMO. The protein difference is not significant enough to contribute to any meaningful height difference. I suspect it is because we have Turanians in the North skewing the data and aboriginals in the South skewing the data.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #137 on: September 18, 2023, 09:03:07 am »
Northwestern India barred Jammu & Kashmir in the map has lower meat consumption.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #138 on: September 18, 2023, 02:33:28 pm »
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meet RDA for protein intake

R by Western civilization, coming from a supposed proud Indian..... Does he even notice how ridiculous he sounds?

What gets me is how both the supposed proud Indians and the defeatists are in agreement about diet. Here is a defeatist:

https://www.reddit.com/r/librandu/comments/px0nnx/why_are_indian_men_so_ugly/hektjlp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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Sometimes I wish the British had never left. They taught us manners which we can use to redeem ourselves in the world I feel. At least we would have had some discipline in us. Which other population squats in its default position. it's an undignified way of existing that is ingrained in our DNA. We as a species (dare we even qualify as homo sapien) are an individual and collective failure at coherent thought and originality. Rationality and critical thinking have no place in the heads of anyone living in India as we have been proved incapable of it time and again. The only forces stabilizing us over the centuries have been hitherto ideals of rule of law, medicine, and art. Nothing of value is ever going to come from the utterly hopeless population should we continue to wade in this shitshow of a society. We are even far from being a civilization or being worthy of interacting with any.

Sometimes I look around and think how we have gotten so far. We have no manners and courtesy. Our festivals are barbaric and savage and only heed to create more chaos. Our language sounds like spiked blades to ears, there is nothing about it that is pleasant. Look at the idioms we use. They sound so primitive and crude. There is no sophistication or class in any language that is spoken in this country. Even traditional 'classical' music is unnecessarily loud and raw pitched with no musical talent required or displayed. Our food is maybe the most strong smelling in the world and thousands of years of eating it have evolved us to smell and stench up this land. yet we revel in it and have the audacity to keep making it even though the world laughs at us for eating it. No other culture whips up a concoction of crude stench and unnecessary carbs yet we have the gall to peddle it to the world like a filthy tramp.

Even our skin next to other populations in the world looks dirty. India is the finest example of the adage of beautiful people breeding beautiful societies. We have the worst physique in the world and make it further worse by peddling abhorrent impractical fashion choices in the name of 'culture' and yet we have reproduced beyond control and infected this land. Look around and see how everyone looks. We are uncouth, undisciplined, dirty and inherently backward, bound to a fate of mediocrity at best. It yet boggles me how we keep breeding explosively and let undesirables flood the gates. I feel for the countries who reject Indian visas. They know we are a people beyond saving and our race is not up to any standard. Stop hoping in the name of development in the country. It's never meant to be anywhere, we were never destined for greatness.

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I have given up. We are utterly incompetent people unworthy of saving at this point. We are at the mercy of the worlds pity and yet we squander the opportunity and continue dying in hordes. By now they must've realized the faster we eliminate ourselves from the gene pool, humanity will benefit. We are beyond redemption and fail ourselves every day. We are overpopulated, filthy and the least undesirable in the world. Yet how we see this problem and keep breeding still escapes me.

I don;t even know why we are even trying at this point. What is even worth saving in this godforsaken land? Our population is carrying second rate genes, and breeds undesirables like how covid multiplies in us. Most people are uneducated raised on **** and rapist tendencies which further doom our kind in the years to come. Our life and looks are of no worth to any country than those banking on our survival for exploitable labour. What is not garbage to be thrown away in this coutry? Abundance of human life? By now, the less we have the better. Even our bodies are polluted by ourselves making organs unfit for any swap.

Our culture is based off savagery and suppression. Nothing of worth there. Our food is the amalgamation of all the offensive odours and tastes from those who ruled us. We could start by learning from others on how to cut carbs and fat, which is what defines our diet. The world mocks us for our lifestyle. Everywhere I look people are turned ugly not only by this but because of absolutely zero fashion sense. Just look at how the average Indian dresses. The gaudiness gives you headaches Do you see hope or any grain of sophistication for the future?

Mediocrity and incompetence runs in our DNA, which is why foreigners were successful in keeping us in line. Should we even be allowed to self govern? It is only in foreign interests to let it happen and eliminate ourselves. The world will be a better place with less undesirables and uncontrolled breeding.

It makes sense for a defeatist to use Western standards, but not for a supposed proud Indian to do so.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/msg18000/?topicseen#msg18000

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/msg18001/?topicseen#msg18001

It would be so easy for Indians to claim gene pool superiority based on:



but this is rarely done. Why?
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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #139 on: September 18, 2023, 04:48:11 pm »
"What gets me is how both the supposed proud Indians and the defeatists are in agreement about diet. Here is a defeatist:"

It is no surprise that these supposed "proud Indians" eventually become Turanists who end up becoming racist against their fellow countrymen (see Rudrabhoj from one page earlier), calling them "AASI", "Dasyu", "Pajeet", etc. Here is the tweeter themselves admitting the road this inevitably leads down (and expressing their regret for contributing to it):

https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1662785116375068673?t=33-xxUjo8OxnofWS3SeYzg&s=19
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Have increasingly come to regret all the obsession related to protein and lookism that I played a big role in creating on this side of twitter. While my intention was just promoting a good hobby with my e-friends, it has increasingly devolved into a very crude and low IQ sphere based on a combination of lookism & genetics that is obsessed with manosphere banter and thinks the world revolves physical aesthetics.


I do agree that many Indians do not have Aryan metabolism to digest the high amount of carbs which leads to high body fat. But wouldn't it be better to replace it with cheap grains such as millet?:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/indian-army-to-introduce-millets-in-rations-of-soldiers/article66649631.ece/amp/

Also, BTW:
https://www.quora.com/Why-were-millets-sidelined-in-favor-of-rice-and-wheat-in-India

Instead:
https://twitter.com/rudrabhoj/status/1643962560486555650?t=wKFjWReV-hPgMUT5lhKjrA&s=19
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While Indian sub-continent was always and still is primarily an agrarian vegetarian society, protein deficiency was avoided by the elites because of copius amount of milk available to them historically. You really think Rajput, Brahman and Bania elites of past were deficient?


https://twitter.com/rudrabhoj/status/1643962563221225475?t=V5HlUNfkZymM0cOwWJ3KUg&s=19
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There is no true meat eater community in India, with possible exception of small communities in the desert and far off mountains, where it was the only source of nutrition available. But historically quality milk was consumed in large quantities.

https://twitter.com/rudrabhoj/status/1643962565414756353?t=2Qf207BU798preyNodH0qw&s=19
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This isn't the case anymore, you would be hard-pressed to find quality milk in the cities, even tier 3 cities. It would almost always be polluted, heavily processed or both. Also, really copious amount of milk would be needed. 2+ liter at least (milk+buttermilk

And the irony:
https://twitter.com/rudrabhoj/status/1643962567461593091?t=bfJMmKLywJu_volOgUeXlA&s=19
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It is just easier to eat 250g of meat a day, it wouldn't even be felt. On the top of that you can avoid overly processed and adulterated milk will do do more harm than good. This low T vegetarian virtue signalling is suicidal to the point of adopting defeatism as culture

You are the one who is embracing defeatism. 250g a day per person is insane (and expensive). The only way to achieve such a thing would be importing the barbaric Western practice of industrialized livestock domestication. As for milk being consumed in "copious amounts" (again, 2L is an insane quantity):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_in_India#Early_period
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According to the Sutra literature, during the period c. 800 – c. 300 BCE, boiled rice with milk or curd continued to be a common food item. Cows used to be milked twice a day. The ones which were pregnant or undergoing their estrous cycle or nursing a calf of another cow were not milked. The preparation of payasa is also noted.[13] Madhuparka – a mixture of honey with curds or ghee was used for welcoming guests. The preparation of a sweet with clarified butter as one of the ingredients is also mentioned.[14] The Buddhist and Jain texts of the period also regard milk and its products important articles of food, with milk-rice being especially favoured. They mention preparations made from curds, butter and buttermilk. The milk of camels and goats were also in use, in addition to that of cows and buffaloes.[15]

BTW:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flood
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Operation Flood, launched on 13 January 1970, was the world's largest dairy development program and a landmark project of India's National Dairy Development Board (NDDB).[1] It transformed India from a milk-deficient nation into the world's largest milk producer, surpassing the United States of America in 1998 with about 22.29 percent of global output in 2018.[2][3] Within 30 years, it doubled the milk available per person in India[4] and made dairy farming India's largest self-sustainable rural employment generator.[5] The program was launched to help farmers direct their own development, and to give them control of the resources they create. The program has since been termed the "White Revolution".


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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #140 on: September 18, 2023, 05:18:45 pm »
The apology itself uses Western standards again!

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Have increasingly come to regret all the obsession related to protein and lookism that I played a big role in creating on this side of twitter. While my intention was just promoting a good hobby with my e-friends, it has increasingly devolved into a very crude and low IQ sphere based on a combination of lookism & genetics that is obsessed with manosphere banter and thinks the world revolves physical aesthetics.



Besides, there is nothing wrong with lookism, so long as it is based on non-Eurocentric standards.

Which brings us to this tweet undoubtedly posted with bursting pride:

https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1598303131099869185

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Portrait reconstruction of Chandragupta Maurya with his Macedonian Queen, daughter of Seleucus Nicator.
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Note also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandragupta_Maurya

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Chandragupta did not give up performing the rites of sacrificing animals associated with Vedic Brahminism, an ancient form of Hinduism; he delighted in hunting and otherwise leading a life remote from the Jain practice of Ahimsa or nonviolence towards living beings.[9][15]

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« Reply #141 on: September 18, 2023, 05:59:05 pm »
I remember this image. Here is one of the replies calling him out:
https://x.com/themoneymemo/status/1598578670544773123?s=20
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http://The Money Memo
@themoneymemo
Six pack abs is quite possible, but he may not have been so jacked. A heavy, muscular body is always a hindrance in battle, where you need to be more flexible and agile. It’s not rare to see construction workers in India with six pack abs.

Until now, I did not know Chandragupta Maurya practiced hunting (he is the grandfather of Asoka after all FFS!). Still, I doubt he was as muscular as the AI portrait shows him. Even in the other tweet, where he is gloating about "peak masculine aesthetics", the statue has less muscle mass than most European statues.

Speaking of which, here is Turanist Rudrabhoj claiming Asoka as one of his:
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Rawal Rudrabhoj Bhati
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Ashoka is our hero as much as the great warriors of the Vedic age like Sudas. Not just the spiritual message of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna, but also their military ideals is the inalienable part of our civilization.


We know Krishna was Yaduvanshi/Chandravanshi, but what about Ram?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama#Etymology_and_nomenclature
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Rama is also known as Ram, Raman, Ramar,[α] and Ramachandra (/ˌrɑːməˈtʃændrə/;[22] IAST: Rāmacandra, Sanskrit: रामचन्द्र). Rāma is a Vedic Sanskrit word with two contextual meanings. In one context, as found in Atharva Veda, as stated by Monier Monier-Williams, means "dark, dark-colored, black" and is related to the term ratri, which means night. In another context in other Vedic texts, the word means "pleasing, delightful, charming, beautiful, lovely".[23][24] The word is sometimes used as a suffix in different Indian languages and religions, such as Pali in Buddhist texts, where -rama adds the sense of "pleasing to the mind, lovely" to the composite word.[25]

Rama as a first name appears in the Vedic literature, associated with two patronymic names – Margaveya and Aupatasvini – representing different individuals. A third individual named Rama Jamadagnya is the purported author of hymn 10.110 of the Rigveda in the Hindu tradition.[23] The word Rama appears in ancient literature in reverential terms for three individuals:[23]

Parashu-rama, as the sixth avatar of Vishnu. He is linked to the Rama Jamadagnya of the Rigveda fame.
Rama-chandra, as the seventh avatar of Vishnu and of the ancient Ramayana fame.
Bala-rama, also called Halayudha, as the elder brother of Krishna both of whom appear in the legends of Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.
The name Rama appears repeatedly in Hindu texts, for many different scholars and kings in mythical stories.[23] The word also appears in ancient Upanishads and Aranyakas layer of Vedic literature, as well as music and other post-Vedic literature, but in qualifying context of something or someone who is "charming, beautiful, lovely" or "darkness, night".[23]

The Vishnu avatar named Rama is also known by other names. He is called Ramachandra (beautiful, lovely moon),[24] or Dasarathi (son of Dasaratha), or Raghava (descendant of Raghu, solar dynasty in Hindu cosmology).[23][26] He is also known as Ram Lalla (Infant form of Rama).[27]

BTW, even Ram, a pure Suryavanshi, is described as pursuing hunting. Is it possible that this is a distortion by Vedics?  I think it is impossible that a pure Suryavanshi would pursue such activities. What do you think?
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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #142 on: September 18, 2023, 06:26:18 pm »
"Besides, there is nothing wrong with lookism, so long as it is based on non-Eurocentric standards."
But we have seen that even non-Western civilizations glorify robustness/muscle mass (albeit to a lesser extent). How do we make the jump from True Leftism to Aryanism wrt to aesthetics?

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« Reply #143 on: September 18, 2023, 07:40:35 pm »
"Here is one of the replies calling him out:"

The main point is not the physique, but the Eurocentrist trophy wife!

"I think it is impossible that a pure Suryavanshi would pursue such activities. What do you think?"

A pure Suryavanshi could kill a non-human that they personally see initiating violence in real time. This would be Ahimsa hunting, so long as they would also kill a human under similar circumstances.

But Vedics hearing a story about Ahimsa hunting could be expected to crudely record it as merely a generic hunting story that neglects the context of who was initiating violence and who was retaliating.

"But we have seen that even non-Western civilizations glorify robustness/muscle mass (albeit to a lesser extent). How do we make the jump from True Leftism to Aryanism wrt to aesthetics?"

It should follow spontaneously. You cannot be pro-robustness and not logically end up Eurocentrist, therefore those who have made anti-Eurocentrism their aim will sooner or later figure out that being pro-gracility is the only way.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #144 on: September 18, 2023, 08:06:56 pm »
"The main point is not the physique, but the Eurocentrist trophy wife!"
But even the wife is depicted incorrectly
https://twitter.com/suprovo04/status/1598353168441626624
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What are the chances to find blonde haired women in the Mediterranean region of Europe?
I think it's very unlikely.

So it is possible that he was drawn toward Mediterranean blood? But then again, Seleucus was the general of Alexander, who himself was a disciple of Aristotle, so perhaps not.

"A pure Suryavanshi could kill a non-human that they personally see initiating violence in real time. This would be Ahimsa hunting, so long as they would also kill a human under similar circumstances."
You are certainly correct! Here is a story of Suryavanshi King Dilipa, father of Raghu, ancestor of Ram, in which he does exactly that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dil%C4%ABpa#Birth_of_Raghu
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The Padma Purāṇa and Uttarā Kāṇḍa of the Rāmāyaṇa mention the tale of the birth of Raghu. Dilipa was a noble, popular ruler who was married to Sudakshina, the princess of Magadha; however, he had no progeny. He and Sudakshina decided to go to the sage Vasishta in order to receive advice on how to obtain a child. At Vasishta's ashrama, he told the couple that the reason they had no children was because they had slighted the divine cow Kamadhenu. He stated that once when Dilipa was visiting the god Indra, he had passed Kamadhenu but paid no attention to her. Kamadhenu took this as a personal insult, and cursed Dilipa so that he would not have any children until he served and propiated Kamadhenu's daughter, Nandini. Vasishta told Dilipa and Sudakshina that Nandani had gone to Patala to attend a sacrifice of the god Varuna. For the next twenty-one days, Dilipa and Sudakshina followed and attended on Nandini as she traversed Patala. One morning Nandini went to graze in a forest, and as usual Dilipa followed her. However, when Dilipa was focused on the beautiful wooden scenery, a lion jumped out and attacked Nandini. Dilipa aimed his bow and arrow at the lion to fire, but he was paralysed. The lion told Dilipa that he was a servant of the god Shiva, and that he had been ordained to protect a divine deodar cedar tree that had been planted by Shiva's wife, Parvati. The lion stated that he was allowed to eat any animals that came near the deodar cedar tree, and so was justified in eating Nandini. Dilipa fell to his knees and bowed to the lion, and begged the lion to eat him rather than Nandini. Suddenly, the lion disappeared and Nandini revealed that she had done this to test Dilipa. After successfully propiating Nandini, Dilipa and Sudakshina returned to the earthly realm and had a son named Raghu.[1][2]

"But Vedics hearing a story about Ahimsa hunting could be expected to crudely record it as merely a generic hunting story that neglects the context of who was initiating violence and who was retaliating."

This could certainly be the case with Ram.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #145 on: September 18, 2023, 09:58:53 pm »
"the wife is depicted incorrectly"

The wife is depicted as the tweeter hopes she looked like.  ::)
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« Reply #146 on: September 18, 2023, 10:33:21 pm »
"The wife is depicted as the tweeter hopes she looked like.  ::"
Yes, I suppose he thought he was "owning" Identitarians by posting a picture of a "Brown" man "scoring" a "White" girl.

Also, replying to an earlier post:
"but this is rarely done. Why?"
Vegetarianism is popular in India, but in the traditional Hindu view, it is restricted to the priestly/philosopher/ascetic caste (Brahmin). One would think that since Brahmins are at the top, vegetarianism (and by extension the genes that allow it) would be held as a model ideal.

This is true, but a Kshatriya who becomes vegetarian is seen as abandoning their duty. This is because the modern-day "universal vegetarian" movement in India and other parts of the world are pacifist in nature, to the point of vegetarianism becoming associated with pacifism (thanks to Eurocentrists like Gandhi). This has led to an inferiority complex among Indians who see themselves as having been emasculated by British who were bigger and stronger than them, which in turn breeds reactionary "chadpilling" on Twitter, where people think they need to eat more meat in order to avoid being trampled over and emasculated/humiliated. There is also an aesthetic angle to this as most Indians, having a non-Aryan metabolism, are left with an unfit physique due to the lack of diversity of grains in their diet (e.g. millet).

Coming back to a Kshatriya abandoning their duty, I agree that one must be a militarist first and foremost, so dietary considerations would be secondary. But vegan food is more economical, thus more advantageous from a military perspective! If a Kshatriya does eat meat from an economical point of view, this would more closely resemble scavenging. But scavenging is what Buddhism advocates (which is ironically called "pacifist")!

In this way we see that the traditional Hindu view has more in common with Buddhism than Westernized right-wingers on the internet.
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« Reply #147 on: September 18, 2023, 11:52:31 pm »
"a "Brown" man "scoring" a "White" girl."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/indian-attitudes/msg22112/#msg22112

"Vegetarianism"

The map I posted was not so much about individuals deciding whether or not to be vegetarian (which is subject to influence by the factors you have brought up), but about arguing that the greater frequency of the vegetarian allele indicates the superiority of the Indian gene pool as a whole. Both individuals who themselves choose not to be vegetarian and individuals who themselves choose to be vegan can make this impersonal argument. But I seem to be the only one actually doing so.....