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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2021, 03:33:06 pm »
If you ever doubted the horrifying effectiveness of the Allied 'denazification'-campaign, consider that Germany moved from this:

(Video: Germany attacks the Soviet Union)

...to this:

https://usefulstooges.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/gerhard-schroeder_2895463c.jpg

...in less than a century.

German foreign minister Frank Walter Steinmeier confirms what I have written above:

https://www.archyde.com/comment-on-nord-stream-2-ukraine-criticizes-steinmeier/

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Then the Federal President was asked about Nord Stream 2. The energy relations are “almost the last bridge between Russia and Europe,” Steinmeier said. [...]

Subsequently, however, the president used a reference to German history as an argument for his energy policy line. He pointed out that Germany had to keep an eye on the historical dimension and recalled the German attack on the Soviet Union in World War II, which took place for the 80th time on June 22nd. “More than 20 million people in the former Soviet Union fell victim to the war. This does not justify any misconduct in Russian politics today, but we must not lose sight of the bigger picture, ”said Steinmeier.

In this regard, the response of the Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, Andriy Melnyk, is just plain cringeworthy:

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Melnyk accuses the Federal President of not having explicitly mentioned the many millions of victims of the Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine in this context.

Germany is russophile because it is anti-National Socialism and thus receptive to the Russian view on World War 2 (scroll to 'Russia and Israel join forces regarding memory politics'). Trying to paint Ukraine as yet another victim of National Socialism just validates the view that National Socialism is bad, which in turn validates the view that the Soviet Union is good, as it fought against National Socialist Germany, which in turn validates the view that Russia is good, as it brands itself the successor state of the SU, which in turn validates the view that Russian influence is good, which in turn validates the view that Ukraine is bad, as it is resisting Russian influence.

The author of the piece points at another issue with Melnyk's argument:

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Steinmeier had not explicitly mentioned the Ukrainian or Belarusian victims, but probably wanted to include them by referring to the “Soviet Union”, since Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union at the time.

Ukraine was part of the SU as the critical mass of its population, if not wholesale fallen to Bolshevism, at least failed to mount an effective resistance to it, thus tacitly acquiescing to Soviet occupation. Thus, the 'Ukrainian' victims of National Socialist Germany didn't die as 'Ukrainians' in any meaningful sense, but as 'Soviet people', thus, once more considering that Russia brands itself as the SU's successor state, by extension, as Russians. So Steinmeier is correct including all Soviet victims of National Socialist Germany on the Russian side of history.

If Melnyk wants to effectively counter post-WW2 German russophilia, he should first encourage his German colleagues to view Germany's WW2 history in a positive and accordingly the SU and Russia in a negative light. This will in turn increase sympathy for those authentic Ukrainians who fought the SU alongside their German comrades, as well as their spiritual successors, who today are fighting the Russians on the battlefields of the Donbas, continuing Hitler's anti-Turanist struggle. Ultimately, the Germans would lose all interest in any Nord Stream 2-kind of fuckery.

By the way, note how much Steinmeier resembles his Turanian Untermensch-buddies with his flabby, degenerate face:

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The same goes for other Nord Stream 2-apologists, such as Manuela Schwesig...

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...Olaf Scholz...

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...and of course, Russian gas-addict no. 1, Gerhard Schroeder:

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In contrast, this is what Andriy Melnyk looks like:

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The racial frontline never changes.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2021, 08:39:08 pm by Dazhbog »
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2021, 08:34:29 pm »
Connecting China and Europe for a shared future
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Jointly supported by Chinese President Xi Jinping and the leaders of Central and Eastern European countries (CEEC), the China-CEEC cooperation has produced early headway in developing the China-European Union partnership for peace, growth, reform and progress of civilization, leading impetus to the overall China-Europe cooperation.

In combating the coronavirus pandemic, China and CEE countries responded to the challenge with solidarity, and took the lead in anti-epidemic cooperation and economic recovery.

A promising future awaits China and CEE countries. The cooperation will deliver a better life for the people of China and Europe and contribute to building a community with a shared future for mankind.
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Xi Jinping praises cooperation between China and Central and Eastern European countries
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Chinese President Xi Jinping hosted a virtual summit for China and Central and Eastern European countries on Tuesday. During a keynote speech, he praised their cooperation, saying it was based on mutual respect, with no political strings attached. He added that all countries involved were equal partners, regardless of their size and mutual cooperation was an important aspect of multilateralism.
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2021, 11:37:12 pm »
Xi is an utter moron with no understanding of Duginism. The Atlantic countries are the ones he should be trying to ally with against Turandom. By instead strengthening Turandom, he is only assisting their objective of preventing Operation Gaddafi from succeeding.

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Our plan - what we call the Atlantic Pivot - was for the US to keep a high troop presence in the EU so that as the US comes over to our side via Demographic Blueshift (which by all estimates is expected to succeed sooner than Operation Gaddafi), we will be well-positioned to militarily crush the Duginist-backed far-right takeover as required, thus allowing Operation Gaddafi to complete smoothly.

Trump cutting US troops in Germany is a Duginist victory.

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Many Germans do not trust Russians at all, still. I think at best it could ever be is a veneer of Duginism. Could be wrong, but that mistrust is a very strong feeling among many.

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"mistrust"

Distrust means being unwilling to trust someone (c.f. dislike, disrespect, etc.).

Mistrust means being willing to trust someone who doesn't deserve to be trusted. (c.f. mistake, misplace, etc.).

Which one do you mean here?

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Funny you brought that up I was thinking about that at work today actually.

Distrust is what I meant. I believe many Germans have a deep distrust of Russians. I have experienced this many times when speaking to Germans about Putin in the past. My mother does not trust Russians either, and my grandparents definitely did not.
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2021, 11:58:50 pm »
Xi is an utter moron with no understanding of Duginism. The Atlantic countries are the ones he should be trying to ally with against Turandom. By instead strengthening Turandom, he is only assisting their objective of preventing Operation Gaddafi from succeeding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9mNVwgVtZ4

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2021, 06:05:12 am »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Friendship_(China)

Here is the Order of Friendship of China. The Friendship Medal set up by the State is bestowed on foreigners who have made outstanding contributions to China's socialist modernization, the promotion of exchange and cooperation between China and foreign countries, and the protection of world peace.

The first Friendship Medal was awarded by President Xi Jinping to Vladimir Putin, President of Russia, on June 8, 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HsuwKQZ0ao

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2021, 03:48:33 pm »
Biden aims to rebuild NATO trust after Trump era
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The U.S. will use a NATO summit this week to emphasize Washington's sharp departure from the stance of the Trump administration
 
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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2021, 02:34:36 pm »
China rising, Europe reluctant - Can America lead again?
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Joe Biden says “America is back,” all set to lead the democratic world in a major pushback against authoritarian China.
But is America still in a position to lead? China’s power and wealth are now greater than ever before. And the US is profoundly weakened, by failed wars overseas and failed politics at home.
As the two superpowers drift further into geopolitical confrontation, US allies in Europe face a fateful choice: do they go all-in with America, or do they try to hedge their bets by keeping strong relations with China?
It’s a choice that will have massive consequences for the future of America in the world. Because how can it lead, if nobody will follow?
DW Chief International Editor Richard Walker meets some of the world’s leading experts on international relations and US politics, and asks Angela Merkel herself: why does she seem so reluctant to embrace American leadership?
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2021, 06:17:25 pm »
Biden breaks with Trump, affirms transatlantic ties
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Seeking a sharp break from the "America First" policies of his predecessor -- which often manifested in bitter disagreements, escalating trade wars and rejection of the systems established to prevent conflict -- President Joe Biden on Friday reaffirmed the US position of global leadership, the power of its alliances and the resilience of democracy in the United States and abroad. He made passing reference to Iran, saying the US was ready to reengage in negotiations on the nuclear deal, but did not provide a timeline. And while he said the US remained committed to ensuring Afghanistan does not again become a safe haven for terrorists, he did not outline plans for a US troop withdrawal. Instead, his remarks were meant as a broad statement of support for US-Europe ties after four years in the wilderness.
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2021, 07:33:18 pm »
Moment of truth for transatlantic relations?
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The leaders of Germany and France will discuss the future of transatlantic relations with US President Joe Biden during a virtual mini-edition of the Munich Security Conference. DW's Richard Walker gives his take on some potentially thorny issues.
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2021, 09:19:36 pm »
EU presents new trade strategy | DW News
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China  has overtaken the US as the EU's biggest trading partner. Statistics agency Eurostat says the bloc's trade volume with China reached 586 billion euros last year. That's compared to 555 billion with the US. China had suffered badly from the coronavirus pandemic during the first quarter. But it  recovered rapidly - in 2020, consumption rose year on year. That also drove sales of many European products.
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2021, 09:27:41 pm »
US approves $1.77 BILLION sale of advanced Boeing spy jets to Germany amid increased NATO activity at Russian border
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The US State Department has approved the sale of five P-8A Poseidon planes, advertised by Boeing as one of the “most advanced” weapon systems in the world, and other equipment to Germany at the cost of $1.77 billion.

On Friday, the State Department’s office of Political and Military Affairs announced the approval of Germany’s request to buy the five patrol aircraft. They list engines, sensors, radars, communications equipment, countermeasures, spare parts, software and training as being part of the package presently valued at almost $1.8 billion.
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2021, 12:25:59 am »
Our enemies are trying to psychologically divide NATO:

https://vdare.com/articles/patrick-j-buchanan-boris-johnson-defies-vladimir-putin-s-claim-to-crimea

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Prime Minister Boris Johnson's government and the Royal Navy have declared it to be their right to use warships to send a message to Moscow that Crimea belongs to Kyiv. Moscow has responded: Send that message again, and you may find your warship at the bottom of the Black Sea.

This is not an unserious matter.

If the Brits repeat this exercise, which they see as a right, a duty and a mission, we could witness a Russian attack on a British warship.

This would trigger Article 5 of the NATO treaty that requires all member nations to treat an attack on one as an attack on all.

Britain's challenge to Russia, a few kilometers off Crimea, could have resulted in a shooting incident that could have forced a U.S. response against Russia. And that raises some serious questions:

Did Johnson inform us he was about to issue this direct challenge to Moscow? Or were the Americans left in the dark?

Did President Joe Biden or the Pentagon tell Johnson that if Defender were attacked, U.S. forces would have their back?

With this clash off Crimea, a peninsula Russia regards as vital and we have never regarded as vital, we could have been drawn into a conflict by our ally, Britain, which could not prevail against Vladimir Putin's Russia without the military assistance of the United States.

Whatever Russia regards as vital, we should regard it vital to prevent Russia from acquiring it. That is anti-Duginism.

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Also, Monday was the first day of the 12-day Exercise Sea Breeze 2021 in the Black Sea, hosted by the U.S. Sixth Fleet and Ukrainian navy.

These exercises have been held yearly since the end of the 20th century, and the 2021 roster of participants is the largest yet

The exercises will involve 32 nations, 32 ships, 5,000 troops and 40 planes. Among the participants are 17 NATO nations, including all three NATO allies on the Black Sea—Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey—and two aspiring NATO nations on the Black Sea—Ukraine and Georgia.

Are warships from any of these 32 nations going to follow the example of HMS Defender and sail close to the Russian naval base of Sevastopol? Are the Brits going to challenge Putin's claim to Crimea again? Or will they, chastened, avoid a confrontation?

The U.S. does not recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, but we have not threatened or used force to alter that reality.

For no vital U.S. interest is imperiled in Russia's control of Crimea and its 2 million people. After all, czarist and Bolshevik Russia controlled that peninsula from the time of Catherine the Great to the time of Mikhail Gorbachev.

The U.S. should tell Boris Johnson that if he wants to provoke the Russian navy in the Black Sea, he should not assume that, if a collision comes, the U.S. Sixth Fleet will pull his chestnuts out of the fire.

No, the US should tell Johnson that the US intends to take back Crimea whether the UK wants to help or not, but their decision will be on the historical record forever.

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2021, 11:52:59 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/europe-becoming-wing-continent-120428970.html

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For a certain kind of American liberal, it's almost a reflexive gesture to wish the United States were more like Europe.

False Leftists (especially social democrats) only.

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I wonder how it will feel when Europe becomes distinctly more right-wing than the United States.

It's not an inconceivable prospect. The United Kingdom has a Tory government right now, and based on current polling their position looks increasingly secure. France's centrist president Emmanuel Macron would likely be re-elected if the election were held today, but Marine Le Pen's right-wing National Rally party polls considerably higher today in a one-on-one contest with Macron than it did in 2017. Italy's fragile coalition could be followed by a right-wing coalition of Matteo Salvini's Lega and the neofascist-derived Fratelli D'Italia.
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the overall political climate in Europe has been trending rightward for some time. After the financial crisis, and the austerity that followed, the traditional left-wing parties began to collapse, and more nationalist and extreme-right alternatives to the mainstream — the AfD in Germany, National Rally in France, UKIP in England — began to arise. The surge in immigration that followed Syria's and Libya's collapse into civil war were further sources of fuel. These parties and movements — critical of the European Union, strongly opposed to immigration, frequently more friendly to Russia — were initially and in many cases still are opposed by all the mainstream parties, but that opposition did little to stem their growth. Eventually, in countries like Hungary and Poland, they began to win elections and assume the powers of government.

This is what we have been warning about for a decade, and what Dugin has been scheming towards for longer.

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In Europe today, the most viable traditional parties are often mainstream right-wing parties that have sought to coopt the nationalist right's issues — most notably Boris Johnson's Tory Party, which eclipsed UKIP by adopting Brexit for itself — or parties self-consciously constituted around the technocratic center so as to unite the mainstream against the far right. True left-wing parties like Jean-Luc Mélenchon's in France or Jeremy Corbyn's Labour have largely fizzled. Meanwhile, the far right continues to produce new phenomena, most recently France's Eric Zemmour, who has outflanked Le Pen on the right by being even more nationalist than she is.

We predicted this too.

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Nothing is more useful for promoting national unity than a foreign threat. And while America's foreign policy establishment would likely prefer that China be that threat, it makes far more sense for a Europe turning inward to decry pernicious American influence on their social fabric than China's threats to Taiwan or its oppression of the Uyghur people.

It would make just as much sense for an America turning non-Western to decry Western influence on its social fabric (and even encourage China to do the same, so that America and China become allies against Western civilization).

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The question then would be whether America's left will take a lesson from the demise of their European cousins, and rethink their own approach to politics before they face a similar eclipse, and downgrade cultural questions in favor of bread and butter issues. Or, perhaps, whether Europe's turn to the right will inspire America's left to see unique promise once more in our own country's distance from nationalism of the Old World, and redefine their own vision of a culturally egalitarian future not as a necessary redemption of our nation's sinful history, but as a hoped-for fulfillment of distinctively American promise.

We need the latter. Except:

1) What is happening across the Atlantic is identitarianism, not "nationalism". It is America by rejecting identitarianism which will demonstrate nationalism.

2) We do not want a "culturally egalitarian" future. We want a future which sees Western civilization as the most inferior civilization known to all of history, which logically first requires rejection of egalitarianism in order that any judgement of inferiority be possible. Western civilization is to blame for the historical evils perpetrated by the US. Redemption requires becoming anti-Western. Egalitarianism, which means considering Western civilization neither better nor worse than other civilizations, falls far short of what is needed for redemption. What we want is a culturally anti-Western future.

3) The fulfillment of America's promise is to use the US military to defeat all countries which refuse to surrender to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/operation-gaddafi/

As I always say, it is the highest poetic justice to unleash the full destuctive power of modern weaponry upon the civilization which brought it into existence in the first place.
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What is Going on Here?: France and U.S. Relations?
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2021, 08:43:27 pm »
Bit odd that both of these stories popped up together in my feed. Something's going on here? Definite signals....

French military says ISIS leader killed
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French President Emmanuel Macron confirmed ISIS commander Adnan Abou Walid Al-Sahrawi was killed in a drone strike in late August.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuYP4CM78VI

France angry after U.S. strikes deal with Australia for nuclear subs
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NBC's Global Affairs Correspondent Dan de Luce reports on the new nuclear-powered submarine deal between the U.S., U.K. and Australia. France is not happy about the deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltOP5BCwA-Q&list=TLPQMTcwOTIwMjEzPJwxMiJJBQ&index=2

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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2021, 09:24:42 pm »
France-UK relations strained after Brexit
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Tensions between Paris and London have been escalating after #Brexit.

Here’s a look at what happened recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvbIGda4Cik