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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2022, 09:10:39 pm »
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/27/germanys-offer-to-send-5000-helmets-to-ukraine-provokes-outrage.html

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Germany has provoked outrage in some quarters after it offered to supply 5,000 military helmets to Ukraine to help it defend itself against a possible Russian invasion.

About 100,000 Russian troops are believed to be on the border with Ukraine. While countries like the U.S. and U.K. have sent military hardware to Ukraine, Germany has been conspicuously reluctant to send equipment.

The offer of helmets, made on Wednesday, has been derided by some Ukraine officials. For one, Kyiv’s mayor, Vitali Klitschko, dismissed the offer as “a joke” and said it had left him “speechless.”

“The behaviour of the German government leaves me speechless. The defence ministry apparently hasn’t realized that we are confronted with perfectly equipped Russian forces that can start another invasion of Ukraine at any time,” he told the German newspaper Bild on Wednesday.

“What kind of support will Germany send next?” he asked. “Pillows?”

Why is Germany behaving like this?

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Germany’s reluctance to send defensive weapons to Ukraine also likely has its roots in the 20th century, with the scars of World War I and World War II deeply ingrained on Germany’s political conscience, making it an easy target for criticism and possible condemnation if it gets involved in military confrontations.

This is why we must teach Germans to be proud of Operation Barbarossa once again:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/thank-you-for-remembering-us-duginists/

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While Operation Barbarossa was ultimately a failure in terms of territorial acquisition, in terms of personnel attrition it was a considerable success. Imagine how much more Turanian blood there might be in the world today if Operation Barbarossa had not occurred and hence all those who had died were instead left alive to reproduce!

https://www.military-history.org/cover-feature/barbarossa-the-biggest-invasion-in-history.htm
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2022, 10:39:06 pm »
Ukraine has new demand for Germany
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According to the Ukrainian ambassador in Germany, its officials are shying away by refusing to provide armaments
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Berlin must be bold and sign off on the transfer of lethal weapons to Kiev in the face of a purported Russian invasion, Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany has demanded despite the country’s constant refusal to back down on its decision not to provide the Eastern European nation with arms and ammunition.

Speaking to German news outlet dpa on Wednesday, Andrey Melnik renewed his calls for the German government to send hardware to the Eastern European nation, noting that while a delivery of 5,000 military helmets were welcomed, this is not enough.

According to him, this is a “purely symbolic gesture,” and merely a “drop in the ocean.” Instead, Berlin would do better to hand over weaponry to counter Russian aggression.

“We do not need tactics and maneuvering, but courageous action… which will finally provide Ukraine with German defensive weapons,” Melnik insisted, arguing that this is what the country’s people “need most of all today.”
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The envoy also said that Kiev “is waiting for Germany to make a 180-degree turn and a real paradigm shift.”

His remarks come after Berlin’s Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht announced Germany would not send any weapons to Ukraine, but would be shipping 5,000 protective helmets.

Kiev’s Mayor Vitali Klitschko also poured scorn on the move and accused Lambrecht of not fully grasping that Kiev is “dealing with a perfectly equipped Russian army that can start further invading Ukraine at any time.”

“5,000 helmets are an absolute joke,” he said. “What will Germany send in support next? Pillows?”

Western leaders have sounded the alarm in recent weeks, claiming that Moscow could be planning to launch an invasion of its neighbor. However, the Kremlin has repeatedly denied the allegations and accused NATO of inflaming tensions on the continent.
https://www.rt.com/russia/547667-berlin-weapons-supply-request/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2022, 10:12:44 pm »
Transatlantic coordinator: Merkel‘s Russia strategy was not successful | DW Interview
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Germany focused on dialogue only in its relationship with Russia for too long, Peter Beyer (CDU), the German government‘s transatlantic coordinator, tells DW political correspondent Nina Haase. Beyer urges Germany to swiftly rethink and refocus the tasks of the German army in light of the war in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3bmkyjZwa4

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2022, 08:42:56 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/applying-join-nato-destabilize-security-152639747.html

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STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson on Tuesday rejected opposition calls to consider joining NATO following Russia's invasion of Ukraine, saying an application now would destabilize security in Europe.
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"If Sweden were to choose to send in an application to join NATO in the current situation, it would further destabilize this area of Europe and increase tensions," Andersson told reporters.

This is like arguing that hiring a bodyguard will make it harder for the assassin to kill you, therefore it is better to not hire a bodyguard in case it annoys the assassin! WTF?!

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Russia does not want Finland or Sweden to join NATO and late last month, Moscow made its latest warning of "serious military-political consequences" if they did.

Certainly hiring a bodyguard would not annoy anyone who has no intention of doing you harm. Therefore anyone who would be annoyed by you hiring a bodyguard logically intends to do you harm. Which is why you need the bodyguard!

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2022, 08:53:46 pm »
False Leftism yet again fails to stand up to Duginism.... What a shocker.

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Biden announces major non-NATO ally status for Colombia
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden said Thursday that he intends to designate Colombia as a major non-NATO ally, a step that will provide the Latin American nation with benefits in the areas of defense, trade and security cooperation.

Biden made the announcement as he hosted Colombian President Ivan Duque at the White House for the first time. The visit follows weekend talks between Biden administration officials and the leftist government of Nicolás Maduro in neighboring Venezuela, which has a tense relationship with both the U.S. and Colombia.

Avoiding a potentially awkward moment, neither Biden nor Duque raised the U.S.-Venezuela meeting in their public remarks. Colombia is a close U.S. ally, and Duque leads opposition to Maduro in the region,

Biden said he intends to bring Colombia into the NATO fold.

“That’s exactly what you are, a major, major non-NATO ally, and this is a recognition of the unique and close relationship between our countries,“ he told Duque, who sat directly across from the president at a large table in the Cabinet Room, each leader joined by a small group of advisers.

“Colombia is the lynchpin, in my view, to the whole hemisphere,“ Biden said.

Duque said Biden’s announcement recognized “values and the principles” shared by both Western Hemisphere countries.

Back home, Duque has been criticized for not sitting down earlier with the U.S. president, his strategic partner. The two did meet briefly late last year at a gathering of world leaders for a climate summit in Glasgow, Scotland.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2022/03/10/biden-announces-major-non-nato-ally-status-for-colombia.html

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2022, 12:03:17 am »
How the Ukraine invasion drives military spending worldwide | DW News
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Germany has decided in principle to buy F-35 fighter-jets from the US, that's according to new reports citing government sources. Berlin plans to drastically beef-up military spending as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Denmark and Sweden say they're raising military-spending.
Traditionally, larger nations have spent more on defense: In 2020, the US led the world with a military budget of 778 bBillion dollars. China spent 252 Billion dollars on its military, while Germany spent just 53 Billion. That year, Russia had a military budget of 62 Billion dollars. That's ten times what Ukraine spent. Its also a greater share of the Russia economy compared to US and Chinese spending. So which companies are the biggest players in Defense? US company Lockhead Martin - which makes the F-35 - is one of the largest in the industry with sales of 66 Billion dollars last year. It is followed by Europe's Airbus (60.5) and two more US companies, Raytheon Technologies (60.5) and Boeing (57). The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute tracks military-expenditures: We asked their senior researcher Lucie Beraud Sudreau to put recent events into perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjNqtxo8Gkk

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2022, 09:52:37 pm »
Atlanticism is revived! This is great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG8RxH9Q7sg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6NvUWL4F0

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-may-not-stop-ukraine-100921388.html

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It looks a lot like a return to the past. Founded in 1949 to defend against the Soviet threat, the NATO alliance is facing a return to mechanised warfare, a huge increase in defence spending, and potentially a new Iron Curtain falling across Europe. After struggling to find a new post-Cold War role, countering terrorism following the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States in 2001 and a humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021, NATO is back defending against its original nemesis.

Russia should never have stopped being NATO's enemy. If following the Soviet breakup NATO had insisted on at minumum reducing Russia back to its pre-1533 borders:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/msg5125/#msg5125

it could have kept its focus on Russia all this time, and the damage to relations between NATO and its old NAM allies (not least Afghanistan!) caused by Islamophobia could have been avoided altogether. Let's hope we can now finally get back on track after more than 20 years of delay and bring NATO and NAM closer together than before!

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"We all thought that there wouldn't be an enemy anymore," Admiral Rob Bauer, the chairman of NATO's military committee, told Reuters. "We now are confronted with a nation that is showing that it is aggressive, that it has forces that we thought were not going to be used anymore."

Why did you think that? Because you thought the enemy was communism, when all along the real enemy was Turanian blood. Hitler was the only one who understood this.

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2022, 11:38:29 pm »
You say “Russia should never have stopped being NATO's enemy.”

I agree, but False Leftists, even those who Dugin characterizes as “Atlanticists”, ultimately do not view Russia as an enemy:

https://www.rbth.com/international/2017/04/07/zbigniew-brzezinski-russia-should-form-a-closer-union-with-us-and-china_737177
Zbigniew Brzezinski: Russia should form a closer union with U.S. and China
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President Jimmy Carter’s former national security advisor, and now a senior trustee at the Center for International and Strategic Studies in Washington D.C, Zbigniew Brzezinski recently spoke to Gazeta.ru about Russia’s role in the world, Ukraine, sanctions, and the phenomenon that is Donald Trump’s presidency.

"Some Russians may believe America is trying to play China against Russia, but that is more an ego-gratifying compliment than a realistic judgement," Brzezinski said. "The fact of the matter is that China is considerably more important than Russia right now, but if America and China cooperate, Russia has absolutely no choice but to join. That would be in America’s interest, firstly, but it would also be beneficial to Russia in the long run."


So it seems that “Atlanticism” is just a blanket term that Dugin throws on anyone that is ostensibly “anti Russia”, even if they themselves are not. However, it does not seem to differentiate between False Leftists and True Leftists, so presumably it includes True Leftists as well since we are genuinely anti-Russia. Thus, similar to “Chimerica”, we can claim the term from him and use it to refer only to genuine anti-Russia True Leftists, which I assume is what you are doing.

“Because you thought the enemy was communism,”
If the enemy had been Russia instead of communism, we could have avoided the interventions against non-Western countries such as Vietnam/Cambodia/etc. during the Cold War as well…
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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2022, 12:46:31 am »
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if America and China cooperate, Russia has absolutely no choice but to join.

What if America and China do not let Russia join?

"If the enemy had been Russia instead of communism, we could have avoided the interventions against non-Western countries such as Vietnam during the Cold War as well…"

And instead, we could have done some interventions against Western countries, one in particular:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_and_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict

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On May 17, 1948, three days after Israel declared independence, the Soviet Union legally recognized it de jure, becoming the first country to grant de jure recognition to the Jewish state.[5][6] In addition to the diplomatic support, arms from Czechoslovakia, part of the Soviet bloc, were crucial to Israel in the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations#After_end_of_Soviet_Union

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Relations between Israel and Russia were improved by Israeli opposition to the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia,[18]
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Vladimir Zhirinovsky visiting as part of a government delegation said that he was concerned particularly about the economic situation for the more than one million Russians living in Israel, and that "Russia will never allow any kind of violence against Israel".[21][22]
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In 2011, Putin said: "Israel is, in fact, a special state to us. It is practically a Russian-speaking country. Israel is one of the few foreign countries that can be called Russian-speaking. It's apparent that more than half of the population speaks Russian".[28] Putin additionally claimed that Israel could be considered part of the Russian cultural world, and contended that "songs which are considered to be national Israeli songs in Israel are in fact Russian national songs". He further stated that he regarded Russian-speaking Israeli citizens as his compatriots and part of the 'Russian world'.[29]

In April 2014, Israel took a neutral stance on the Russian annexation of Crimea at the United Nations, angering U.S. State Department and White House officials.[30] During Operation Protective Edge in 2014, Putin stated that "I support Israel's battle that is intended to keep its citizens protected".[31]
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Relations between Israel and Russia further improved after the Russian military intervention in Syria in September 2015. From then until July 2018, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Putin met a total of 9 times.[33] In October 2015, Israel and Russia held meetings to coordinate over Syria, and avoid accidentally clashing or scrambling each other's communications while operating over the country.[34][35]

In March 2016, Putin said the relations with Israel were special and based "on friendship, mutual understanding and the long common history". Putin stated: "Russia and Israel have developed a special relationship. 1.5 million Israeli citizens come from the former Soviet Union, they speak the Russian language, are the bearers of Russian culture, Russian mentality. They maintain relations with their relatives and friends in Russia, and this make the interstate relations very special".[36] In a meeting with Netanyahu in June 2016, Putin described Israel and Russia as "unconditional allies" in "efforts to counter international terrorism".[37]

Prior to and immediately after the 2016 United States presidential election, Israel began lobbying the United States to strike a deal with Russia over restricting the Iranian military presence in Syria in exchange for removing sanctions over Russian military action in Ukraine.[38] Donald Trump was reportedly a favorite candidate for both Russia and Israel, as Trump is widely seen, by both, as a strong supporter for Israel yet friendly to Russia.[39] Both Israel and Russia are still being accused for meddling in 2016 U.S. Election on helping Trump to power, with Vladimir Putin is found to have exclusive influence on Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump's political decisions in Israel and the United States.[40]

Israel is a clear enemy of NATO. Indeed, every NATO country should have invaded Israel after the USS Liberty incident.

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« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2022, 08:30:25 pm »
Brzezinski died in 2017.

Sullivan is not too far removed from Brzenzinski's position, however:

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This led to a discussion about China, which Sullivan said would have to be part of any strategy to increase pressure on North Korea. “I believe in the possibility that the U.S. and China can cooperate on North Korea,” Sullivan said. “I don’t think we’re there yet. This has to be one of the first and most important pieces of business in the first summit between the next president and [Chinese leader] Xi Jinping." More generally, said Sullivan, the U.S. and China have the werewithal, with responsible stewardship, to build a constructive relationship beyond the day-to-day tensions. Sullivan said China has "not fully lived up to its responsibilities as a world power," but added that he remains optimistic that the U.S.-China relationship would improve. “A strong, thriving China that is playing by the rules is very much in the interests of the U.S.”
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Nowhere is that more apparent than in the Middle East, which in recent years has endured collapsing state structures and the rise of jihadist groups, most notably the Islamic State. Some Republican leaders have blamed the Obama Administration for abandoning the region; some Democrats have suggested the U.S. is still too inclined to intervene; the 2011 intervention in Libya and Washington’s inability to stop the strife in Syria have come in for criticism by both sides. On the Asia Society stage, Sullivan argued for the imposition of safe zones in Syria, provided and protected by the U.S., to safeguard refugees and help in the delivery of humanitarian aid. He also said that for all their differences, there was no solution that didn’t involve the U.S. and Russia working together. As for Trump’s policy prescriptions for the Middle East, Sullivan said these were particularly hard to decipher, beyond his much-discussed proposal to ban Muslim immigration. Trump has argued against U.S. intervention, then called for a U.S. deployment of 30,000 soldiers to fight ISIS; he has suggested that Syria and ISIS “fight it out”, but also that we should “let Russia fight ISIS”; he has said he would tear up the nuclear deal with Iran, and then that he would keep it in place but “police” it more effectively.

Sullivan checked off what he called “three deeply interconnected trends” in the Middle East: The collapse of state structures, a virulent form of Islamic fundamentalism, and the geopolitical struggle between Iran and Saudi Arabia. “The U.S. must grapple with all three crises at the same time; solving the third, however, can help with the first two … Any outcome must involve a modus vivendi between Saudi Arabia and Iran”.
https://asiasociety.org/jake-sullivan-asia

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2022, 08:58:22 pm »
"White" (incl. Jewish) "Asia" experts are arrogant dickheads.

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« Reply #43 on: March 22, 2022, 09:43:18 pm »
Putin's Anti-NATO Rampage Backfires As Neutral Countries Look For Protection
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Heather Conley, president of the German Marshall Fund, talks about how Russian belligerence has made its non-NATO neighbors nervous that they could be next after Ukraine, driving them toward NATO even as Vladimir Putin tries to blame his invasion of Ukraine on NATO expansion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzShltmny3Q

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Re: Atlantic Alliance Drifting Apart?
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2022, 12:53:13 am »
NATO holds massive military exercise in the arctic amid Ukraine invasion
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NATO is holding its largest military exercise in the Arctic since the Cold War. NBC News’ Courtney Kube reports from Norway where U.S. Marines are joining around 30,000 troops from more than two dozen countries for land, air and sea drills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whmXAfTRAbs