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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #180 on: March 11, 2022, 10:37:38 pm »
If we were willing to be even more imaginative, we could even imagine China and America cooperate to create a NEW COUNTRY out of a de-Westernized Siberia as designated lebensraum for climate refugees. Such an ambitious project would be historically monumental, and its success would show the entire world what can be accomplished when China and America work together, and more importantly not primarily for the self-interest of either country, but to serve those in need. Russia will never voluntarily donate Siberia (which it originally stole) for climate refugees, but China and America together (plus anyone else wishing to help) could take it back from Russia by force and give it to those who deserve it more than Russians. To be able to act beyond self-interest is what superpowers are meant to be for.

(Leftism is so weak because too few leftists use their imagination like this. I am perfectly aware that plenty of imagined things do not end up happening, but whichever side imagines more fantastically to start off with usually ends up getting more done for their side (even if it falls short of what they originally imagined). Rightism is stronger than leftism today because rightists on the whole use their imagination much more unreservedly than False Leftists do.)

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #181 on: March 13, 2022, 01:34:16 am »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russias-ukraine-invasion-bad-news-160000610.html

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Russia's Ukraine Invasion Is Bad News For China’s Belt And Road Ambitions
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Xi likely feels embarrassed and used by Putin, and Chinese officials similarly can’t help worrying that, given the West’s restored unity of purpose, China’s global economic interests and geopolitical aspirations stand to suffer. It’s no surprise, then, that Beijing has been a vocal proponent for an end to the war. This conflict is very bad for Beijing’s business, tossing a monkey wrench into Xi’s Belt and Road vision.

The economic disparity in China’s relationship with Russia is another factor behind Beijing’s tepid response to Russia in the Kremlin’s time of extreme financial need. When it comes to commerce, Russia is an afterthought for China, accounting for merely 2 percent of Beijing’s overall trade turnover. To the extent that Beijing increases its trade volume with Russia amid the stifling Western sanctions, it will do so while imposing humbling terms on its supposed friend, purchasing energy, for example, at bargain-basement prices.

China’s strategic partnership with Russia was useful to Beijing only to the extent that it could widen the gap between the U.S. and EU, thus creating space for continuing Chinese economic expansion. This underlying pillar of the partnership has now come crashing down: Putin’s Ukraine adventure has forged the very geopolitical environment, namely Western strategic unity, that China desperately wanted to avoid. Virtually overnight, Russia has gone from asset to major liability for China.

China is wrong to want the war to end quickly, however. Even if it does end soon, things will not go back to the way they were before the war. Belt and Road as it is currently planned will still suffer. China's best best now, in reality, is for the war to expand to the extent that retaliatory invasions into Russia occur. Not only would this mean China can continue to trade with Russia at greater profit margins for longer, but there could be prospect of Russian territorial losses by the end that could offer new potential for Belt and Road. For example, if Russia loses enough of its eastern coast, China could build a railway to America via the Bering Strait (as well as to Japan via Karafuto) without Russian control!




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« Reply #182 on: March 13, 2022, 04:31:31 pm »
China's Premier Li Calls Ukrainian Situation 'Worrying'
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China's Premier Li Keqiang on Friday called the situation in Ukraine "worrying" while continuing to refuse to criticize Russia for its invasion.


WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT – U.S. ‘will not allow’ lifeline to Russia, says White House
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WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT – National security adviser Jake Sullivan warned China that there would be consequences if it helped Russia, saying the U.S. would not allow Moscow to evade economic sanctions over the war in Ukraine.

#JakeSullivan #China #News #Reuters #UkraineRussiaWar #UkraineCrisis #Russia #Ukraine

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« Reply #183 on: March 13, 2022, 07:58:13 pm »
US officials say Russia has asked China for military help in Ukraine
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White House fears move is sign of ever closer ties between Beijing and Moscow
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   Liu Pengyu, the Chinese embassy spokesperson in Washington, said he was unaware of any suggestions that China might be willing to help Russia.

“China is deeply concerned and grieved on the Ukraine situation,” Liu said. “We sincerely hope that the situation will ease and peace will return at an early date.”

The revelation comes as Jake Sullivan, US national security adviser, heads to Rome for talks on Monday with Yang Jiechi, China’s top foreign policy official.

Before leaving Washington on Sunday, Sullivan warned China not to try to “bail out” Russia by helping Moscow to circumvent the sanctions that the US and its allies have imposed on President Vladimir Putin and his regime.
https://www.ft.com/content/30850470-8c8c-4b53-aa39-01497064a7b7


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« Reply #184 on: March 13, 2022, 09:18:26 pm »
I think a lot of False Left media want to portray China-Russia relations as better than they are actually are because they don't want China-US relations to improve!

We should amplify more the opposite narrative:

https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011154/the-price-china-wont-pay-for-russias-war

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If there's some good news coming out of Russian President Vladimir Putin's misbegotten war on Ukraine, it might be this: China's alliance with Russia appears to be mostly lip service.
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Reuters reported Thursday China is refusing to supply needed airplane parts to the Russian aviation industry, which has already been badly squeezed by American-led sanctions. That's a big deal: Boeing and Airbus jets make up most of the country's commercial aviation fleet — without access to those Western companies, Russia had hoped to turn to China as an alternative.
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China has also eased its controls on government exchange rates, letting the fast-collapsing value of the ruble fall against the yuan even more quickly. The ruble's decline was already making it much more expensive for Russians to buy Chinese goods — companies like Huawei and Xiaomi have cut their smartphone exports to Russia as a result — and now that process will only accelerate. For China, though, the decision makes sense: Sticking with the old rules "would require China's central bank to subsidize Russian buyers of Chinese goods by giving them more yuan for their rubles than market forces said Moscow's currency was worth," The Associated Press notes.

If stories like this were given more attention in the news, more Americans might develop positive feelings for China.

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« Reply #185 on: March 14, 2022, 04:43:52 am »
https://dnyuz.com/2022/03/14/chinese-scholars-are-warning-of-the-cost-of-pro-russia-neutrality/

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Is neutrality a good strategy?

Hu Wei, vice-chairman of the Public Policy Research Center, which sits under an advisory agency to China’s state council, argues in an essay penned earlier this month that China must “give up being neutral” and “avoid playing both sides in the same boat.”
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“China cannot be tied to Putin and needs to be cut off as soon as possible…Being in the same boat with Putin will impact China should he lose power,” Hu writes, adding that Beijing’s failure to “proactively” respond to Russia’s aggression will invite “further containment from the US and the West.”

In fact, China’s current “neutrality” is a lose-lose proposition, Hu argues: “…this position does not meet Russia’s needs, and it has infuriated Ukraine and its supporters as well as sympathizers, putting China on the wrong side of much of the world. In some cases, apparent neutrality is a sensible choice, but it does not apply to this war, where China has nothing to gain.”

I would say apparent neutrality is never a sensible choice. The reason is extremely simple. When you claim to be neutral, no one will believe you. Each side will suspect you are actually helping the other side, thus every side will become more hostile to you.

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« Reply #186 on: March 15, 2022, 12:07:38 pm »
Ukraine War: China and Russia feel "humiliated by the West"
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Former Labour Foreign Secretary Jack Straw says China and Russia both separately feel humiliated by the West for past and current treatment.

But he said China knows that open conflict disrupts the smooth flow of global trade, and would seek to avoid such action.

Mr Straw also outlined the "moral hazard" of dealing with countries like Saudi Arabia, which countries like the UK sometimes have to do "with a peg on their nose".


China Seeks to Avoid Hit From U.S.-Led Russia Sanctions
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China is seeking to avoid taking a hit from U.S.-led sanctions against Russia, a top diplomat said, in an effort to prevent the world's second-biggest economy getting caught up in the fallout of Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. "China is not a party to the crisis, nor does it want the sanctions to affect China," Foreign Minister Wang Yi said in a phone call with Spanish counterpart Jose Manuel Albares to discuss the war in Ukraine. Rosalind Mathieson reports on Bloomberg Television.

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« Reply #187 on: March 18, 2022, 03:01:36 pm »
I can't believe I didn't spot this sooner, but here we go with the smoking gun that Russia, despite its claims, in reality has no sincere feelings of solidarity towards China:

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/exclusive-kremlin-putin-russia-ukraine-war-memo-tucker-carlson-fox/

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Leaked Kremlin Memo to Russian Media: It Is “Essential” to Feature Tucker Carlson

The Russian government has pressed outlets to highlight the Fox host’s Putin-helping broadcasts.
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On March 3, as Russian military forces bombed Ukrainian cities as part of Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion of his neighbor, the Kremlin sent out talking points to state-friendly media outlets with a request: Use more Tucker Carlson.
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The document—titled “For Media and Commentators (recommendations for coverage of events as of 03.03)”—was produced, according to its metadata, at a Russian government agency called the Department of Information and Telecommunications Support, which is part of the Russian security apparatus.

But precisely what has Carlson been saying?

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Prior to the Russian invasion, Carlson was perhaps the most prominent American voice challenging opposition to Putin. In one now-infamous commentary, he said, “Why do Democrats want you to hate Putin? Has Putin shipped every middle class job in your town to Russia? Did he manufacture a worldwide pandemic that wrecked your business? Is he teaching your kids to embrace racial discrimination? Is he making fentanyl? Does he eat dogs?

Which country are the parts in bold implicit references to?

In short, the Russian government is explicitly instructing Russian media to promote a propagandist who encourages animosity towards China instead of Russia:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg12027/#msg12027

And it is doing this while, simultaneously, it is trying to claim that Russia has China's best interests at heart:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg12050/#msg12050

To put it another way, while the Chinese government has Eurocentrically faithfully spent the last few weeks doing verbal contortionism in order to avoid saying to its people anything negative about Russia, the Russian government has been loudly broadcasting to its people raw Sinophobia.

So, returning to this question:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg11650/#msg11650

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Did China Get Played by Putin on Ukraine? - TLDR News

the answer is definitely affirmative.

In contrast, Carlson's message has not been promoted by the US government. (It might have been if Trump were still president, but he is not.) Carlson, while loved by the Red camp, is hated by the entire Blue camp. And with each passing day, the Blue camp is growing while the Red camp is shrinking:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/demographic-blueshift/

If despite all of the above China still is incapable of figuring out that America is its true destined ally, it deserves to be backstabbed by Xi's best friend.
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« Reply #188 on: March 19, 2022, 07:36:29 pm »
Xi took Putin at his word that this was going to be a quick invasion, says fmr. CIA director
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Former CIA Director John Brennan joins Shep Smith to discuss the potential that China will provide military aid to Putin in his invasion of Ukraine.


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Ancient reasons for committing suicide

Today the reasons for suicide are many, and the ways to achieve it are broad. In earlier eras, some found it to be the only way to redeem them from failure. Elise Garrison said that many ancient suicidal victims, “[were] determined to regain lost honor and restore equilibrium to society”.[3]

Garrison also refers to the works of Émile Durkheim. She says that Durkheim talks about people being in different types and categories. Determining what category they are in, could decide the reason they would commit suicide. “Durkheim’s categories [are] —egoistic, altruistic, anomic, fatalistic”.[3]

Durkheim explains that egoistic people over think and reflect on everything. They tend to have high knowledge, and don’t integrate into society well. Protestants, for example, may default to an egoistic personality. The altruistic person devalues themselves and treats the opinion of the group very highly. Those who lead a very strict life-style or are a religion that is very strict on obedience (such as Catholicism and Judaism). Self-sacrifice is considered part of altruistic suicide. Anomic suicide can result from someone who does not control or limit their desires. They satisfy every desire, and have no regulation. On the other hand, Fatalistic suicide will usually occur in someone who has high regulation and does not satisfy many of their desires.[3] While these categories apply to suicide today, it is these types of personalities that made people more susceptible to suicide anciently.[citation needed]

In ancient India, two forms of altruistic suicide were practiced. One was Jauhar, a mass suicide by women of a community when their menfolk suffered defeat in battle, the women fearing retribution, ****, enslavement, and worse by the enemy soldiers; the other was Sati, the self-immolation of a widow on the funeral pyre of her husband, or her suicide shortly afterwards, the pretexts varying, whether for emotional, or for religious, or for anticipated economic destitution, especially if elderly, or even compulsion, sometimes a family's avaricious means to more expeditiously redistribute the widow's property.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_antiquity





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« Reply #190 on: March 24, 2022, 03:49:19 am »
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Now Is Not The Time For Bashing China

While I agree with this basic statement, I disagree with the idea that Russian de-escalation should be the objective behind improving relations with China, as this signals to Russia that we are uniting only out of common fear of Russia, which will only further embolden Russia. On the contrary, now is the best timing to simultaneously open as many additional fronts of war against Russia as possible in short order, of which China could potentially be one:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/diplomatic-decolonization/msg1207/#msg1207

just as Japan could be another:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/diplomatic-decolonization/msg11692/#msg11692

Germany could be another:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/what-was-prussia/msg11864/#msg11864

and so on. This sends Russia the signal that we are not uniting out of common fear of Russia, but uniting to take back once and for all everything it has stolen from us over the centuries!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/

The US should be sincerely happy to see China take back Outer Manchuria, and must publicly and explicitly communicate such to China. Anything less and China can be expected to remain suspicious that the US merely wants to use China to help Ukraine, and that the US at the end of the day cares only about Ukraine, not about China (which at present is probably close to the truth).

Yes. False Leftists ultimately want to bring Russia into the Chimerica alliance after "resolving" the Ukraine issue. See here:
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/atlantic-alliance-drifting-apart/?message=12190

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« Reply #191 on: March 26, 2022, 09:40:32 pm »
Pottinger: China’s Strategy To ‘Quietly’ Support Russia Is ‘Not Working’
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Former U.S. Deputy National Security Adviser Matt Pottinger discusses China's approach to handling Russia's actions in Ukraine on MTP Daily.


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« Reply #192 on: March 30, 2022, 01:51:59 am »
Former president Carter reflects on U.S. China relations:

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« Reply #193 on: April 02, 2022, 01:06:49 pm »
Has China Finally Abandoned Russia? - TLDR News
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Only a couple months ago China and Russia looked like best friends, signing agreements and making public statements together. Today though things seem to be shifting, so we discuss the moves Xi has mad and if he is ditching Putin.

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« Reply #194 on: April 02, 2022, 09:01:30 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bob-holden-us-china-cornfield-100043158.html

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Bob Holden: US, China 'cornfield diplomacy' could stop future pandemic, save planet
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As the world grapples with the first major conflict in Europe since World War II, the need to foster better relations between the U.S. and China is arguably greater than ever.
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My belief is that the U.S.–China cooperation is essential if our planet will be able to successfully deal with the following three most critical global challenges:

    Sustainably producing enough nutritious food to feed the growing population on our planet

    Countering and ameliorating the impact of climate change, especially on agricultural production

    Preventing future pandemics of human, animal and plant diseases

At the same time, to meet these challenges, it is essential that we have peace in the world and particularly, peace between China and the United States.

In that regard, we strongly believe that one of the best ways that peace can be attained is through agricultural cooperation.

Reflecting the strong commitment that leaders of both our countries have for finding areas of cooperation, especially around climate change, my organization, U.S. Heartland China Association, again organized a virtual U.S.-China Agriculture Roundtable, held March 21.

The American Heartland, known as the “breadbasket of the world,” has played a significant role in the past laying the foundation for a productive U.S.–China relationship and can become a stabilizing force going forward again.

Opportunities remain for us to try to revive a productive relationship. Our efforts should be focused on finding ways to better understand each other’s cultures, show others why it is so important for all of us to find positive and mutually beneficial ways to work together in the mutual interest of both countries.

This is certainly a good way to start, considering the increasing co-dependency of the US and China on each other's food:





One of my favourite presentations highlighting agricultural similarities between the US and China is the following:

https://www.financialsense.com/contributors/evelyn-browning-garris/comparison-us-china-agriculture

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One of the interesting documents from the 1950s and 60s is an old CIA map that showed the climate of China in those days, comparing it to equivalent agricultural areas in the US. At the time it was created, China was a mystery, closed off from much of the world with little document sharing. Experts used these to try to estimate day- to-day existence in China, such as annual crop and harvest conditions.



Basically, the US and China are two nations of a similar size (China 3.69 million square miles vs. US 3.68 million square miles) positioned along similar latitudes. Their lands include similar agricultural zones. Indeed, some growing regions are “twins” with similar weather and growing conditions. For example, North Texas and Yunnan province are “twins”, with ample rain and good monsoons during El Nińos and drought stricken during La Nińas.

Maybe we should also make a complementary map with Chinese province names superimposed onto US states?
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