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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #240 on: October 01, 2022, 08:55:25 pm »
Mainstream journalists are still stuck in outmoded thinking:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/u-chinese-cooperation-essential-solving-120003571.html

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Beijing never officially supported Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. However, the Chinese government was also reluctant to work with the United States to sanction Russia, mostly due to worsening U.S.-China relations over the past five years.

Cooperation between the United States and China is a necessary first step in solving some of the overwhelming problems facing both countries. For instance, it is unlikely that we can make any meaningful progress on addressing climate change or the trade imbalances between the United States and China without the two countries working together. The challenge is figuring out how the United States and China can strengthen their policy cooperation while heatedly criticizing each other.

But more and more commenters are adopting our way of thinking, namely that US-China friendship cannot be founded on cooperating while criticizing each other, but only on openly identifying a common enemy:

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The biggest issue in the word is that we don't have real leaders. We are a step away to direct confrontation with Russia and we go to visit Taiwan? Is US willing to see Russia joining forces with China to fight against US? We should try to reach new agreements with China  ,mew cooperations until we solve the issues with Russia. Our leaders are really dumb.

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China just needs to turn their heads and view all the natural resources Russia has.  Much better pickings than Taiwan, since China already has all the educated people they need in an overpopulated, polluted land; and the west will look the other way as China helps themselves to a nice, fat bite of Russia.

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China is waiting for Russia to lose another 300,000 troops, and most of its planes/helicopters/tanks --- then send the PLA to take back Siberia

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #241 on: October 24, 2022, 12:11:24 am »
The root of the rot has been identified (and also looks like what we would expect):

https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/secret-chinese-philosopher-lessons-for-america/



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Wang Huning is arguably the single most influential “public intellectual” alive today.

A member of the CCP’s seven-man Politburo Standing Committee, he is China’s top ideological theorist, quietly credited as being the “ideas man” behind each of Xi’s signature political concepts
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Wang speaks positively and at length about Allen Bloom’s book The Closing of the American Mind

Of course:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Bloom

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Categories:
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Jewish American academics

So what is it that Bloom and Wang both like?

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Bloom’s main idea is that today’s university education no longer enables its subjects to grasp the traditional values that founded Western society.
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cultural relativism succeeded in destroying the idea of Western centrism
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The universities responsible for conducting higher education do not provide knowledge of the glorious history of Western philosophy and literature.
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Students watch “Kramer vs. Kramer” to learn about divorce and sexuality, but few saw “Anna Karenina” or “The Red and the Black” as indispensable in their own lives.

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Wang echoes Bloom’s description of a vast “nihilism” gripping America’s college-educated young adults, a worldview that could conceive of no unifying, bedrock truths and consequently has nothing to build society on top of.

Of course the last paragraph is untrue. The only unifying bedrock truths we need to build America are that oppressors are evil and that it is our duty to destroy evil.

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Wang finds many praiseworthy things about America. He admires how energetic and visionary its people can be, he admires the speed and innovation of its companies (Wang spends several pages marveling at the wonders of travel agencies)

It would be more accurate to say that Wang admires:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/

Continuing:

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Wang raves about the productivity of an American farm: A single farmer can raise thousands of pigs

Firstly:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/farming-vs-ranching/

Secondly:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg14018/?topicseen#msg14018

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Pig farming can be described as dirty and smelly. This farm is highly automated, but dirt and odors cannot be excluded. Pigs do not know about cleanliness, there is no way out. When we visited the pig shed, the stench was so bad that it was discouraging. But the farm owner had to do it. He said that after work every day, it takes several showers to wash the smell away. This is something that I’m afraid not many people can accept in the United States.

The fewer can accept it, the better!

And no, pigs actually know a lot about cleanliness:

https://animaldome.com/why-are-pigs-clean-animals/

In failing to realize that it is the very Western institution he is praising which makes the imprisoned pigs dirty, Wang reveals only his own utter lack of empathic sensitivity.

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This farm owner told me that he was devastated when his son graduated from college and told him he didn’t want to come back for a while. But he believed he would come back eventually. If he doesn’t come back, the farm will be a problem because he has only one son and there is no one to succeed him.

The high output of agricultural production ensures the stability of political and social life. Imagine what will happen one day when Americans do not have enough food.

If Americans switched to eating the pig feed instead of the pigs (and similarly for other ranch animals), America could feed a human population of billions with ease!



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Wang’s observations add new context to China’s recent crackdown on powerful tech companies like Tencent and Alibaba. While foreigners often frame this crackdown as a general attack on monopolies or rival power structures, it’s not that simple. China is attacking companies that dominate the “soft” side of tech—video games, social media, and online shopping—while leaving the “hard” side largely untouched.

It is the hard side which should be attacked:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

and the soft side which should be celebrated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDNpbgAO5FM

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Aristotle said more than 2,000 years ago that the family is the cell of society. In the years since the war, the cell, the family, has disintegrated in the United States.

Even before reaching this part, I had already guessed that Wang is an Aristotle-worshipper.

And given that Wang is an Aristotle-worshipper, can you guess the next part? I did:

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While the subtext of America’s racial divide permeates much of America Against America, Wang only explicitly addresses it very late in the book, when he turns to what he calls the “black challenge” or, more frightfully, the “black storm.”

“Some people have compared the black issue to the biggest social problem, saying that it will eventually become a fatal problem,” writes Wang. “In the United States, it can be deeply felt that there is some truth in this statement.”

No, it is the beginning of the solution:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/allies/blm/

Of course Wang does not understand this:

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I have been to black neighborhoods in San Francisco, New York, New Haven, Philadelphia, Washington, D.C., and Atlanta, and the impression is extremely bad. Generally speaking, they are more dirty and poor than the areas where white people live, and it is obvious that they are poor areas. In front of many houses, there are some lazy black people sitting. [When] young people stand in groups on the street, people’s hearts beat [faster].

Wang Huning a.k.a. Karen Wang.

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Black criminals specialize in robbing Chinese people of their money.

"Blacks" were behind literally 0% of the following (not a complete list):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_International_Settlement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulangsu_International_Settlement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_concession_of_Tianjin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_concession_of_Tianjin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangzhouwan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_French_Concession

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_concession_of_Hankou

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concessions_in_Tianjin#French_concession

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiautschou_Bay_concession

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Concession_of_Tientsin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Macau

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Dalian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_concession_of_Tianjin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_for_the_Lease_of_the_Liaotung_Peninsula

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weihaiwei_under_British_rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concession_of_Tianjin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Concession_of_Jiujiang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Concession_(Shanghai)

If anyone deserves to be described as specializing in robbing Chinese people, it should be "whites" (including Jews). But Wang is an Aristotle-worshipping Karen, so what can we expect from him?

What do our enemies think of Wang?

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The rise of Wang Huning’s China, then, is not a calamity for the United States. It is an opportunity for a deep, harsh, even brutal self-reflection.

No. Wang does not want friendship between China and America. He wants friendship between Aristotelian "New China" and the Manifest Destiny occupation in the US. If we want friendship between China and America as fellow former victims of Western colonialism, China must get rid of Wang and America must get rid of Bloom.
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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #242 on: October 24, 2022, 12:19:34 pm »
Why is Aristotle bad?



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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #245 on: November 14, 2022, 12:50:51 pm »
Sounded fairly positive:

Hear what Biden and Xi said to each other in first meeting as heads of state
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President Joe Biden and Chinese leader Xi Jinping sat down face-to-face for the first time since Biden took office in a meeting that could have long-lasting consequences for the world's most important bilateral relationship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJRIg7dVkpQ

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Great for the US and Chinese Presidents to be meeting to reduce tensions and build bridges for greater cooperation and good relations and better understanding.
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Whoa! This really is another east meets west moment.🦅🐉🇺🇸🇨🇳 I hope things get better for everone and the worlds sake🌏🗺🙏.
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Even China said as leaders of the 2 major countries (basically not even considering russia as one of the majour contries) XD
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I'm impressed with both leaders positive attitudes! cooperation....not War
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I would love to embrace our Chinese brothers and sisters. Let us be great fun for Biden's diplomatic leadership and the Chinese Administration opening up with peaceful conversation. 💙🇺🇸🇨🇳
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US and China should work together not fight each other.
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Good honest start, I hope the relation ship proceeds on this path.

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #246 on: November 14, 2022, 06:07:50 pm »
But when (answer: never) is Xi going to attempt meaningful communication?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/xi-biden-knock-off-democracy-200004368.html

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"Xi Jinping pointed out that freedom, democracy and human rights are humanity's common pursuit, and also the Chinese Communist Party's constant pursuit," the reports said. "The United States has American-style democracy. China has Chinese-style democracy."

Can Xi name a country that does not have a democracy by his definition? And if not, in other words if every government is automatically a "democracy", then why (we all know why.....) even use the word "democracy" and not simply "government"? This is why Xi's words will always be worthless.

As much as I support US-China friendship, Xi should be given zero credit for building such a friendship by future historians, who should instead speculate about how much faster and more easily US-China friendship could have been rebuilt in an alternate universe where Xi had never become leader. (Indeed, it was under Xi that the earlier phase of US-China friendship deteriorated to the poor condition it is now in.)
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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #247 on: November 20, 2022, 01:43:50 pm »
China says open to meeting with U.S. defence secretary
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BEIJING, Nov 20 (Reuters) - China said on Sunday it is open to a meeting with the U.S. defence secretary on the sidelines of a regional security forum in Cambodia this week, in a sign of thawing relations after the countries' top leaders met earlier this month.

China Defence Minister Wei Fenghe and U.S. Secretary of Defense Austin Lloyd previously confirmed separately that they would attend the forum with Southeast Asian countries, the ASEAN Defence Ministers' Meeting-Plus.
Entire article: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-says-open-meeting-with-us-defence-secretary-2022-11-20/

U.S. VP Harris met briefly with China's Xi at APEC
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BANGKOK/SHANGHAI, Nov 19 (Reuters) - U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris on Saturday met briefly with Chinese President Xi Jinping, a White House official said.

"The Vice President noted a key message that President Biden emphasized in his November 14 meeting with President Xi: we must maintain open lines of communication to responsibly manage the competition between our countries," the official said.

Chinese state broadcaster CCTV confirmed the meeting later in the morning.
Entire article: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-vp-harris-met-briefly-with-chinas-xi-apec-2022-11-19/

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #248 on: November 20, 2022, 02:17:00 pm »
Mainstream academic gradually catching up to our vision:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-divided-us-china-argues-125100076.html

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Russia should be divided by US and China, argues political scientist
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"In the conditions that exist today, China and the United States should divide Russia in the proportions of their greatness, power — in order to pacify it, to make it the largest pacifist state in the world," Davydiuk said.

According to the political expert, not only Ukraine, but the whole world will be safe if the regime of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin were to be destroyed.
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“Because even the absence of Putin, but not changing the system leaves the system. The son of (Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai) Patrushev will be tougher than Putin and Patrushev – everyone understands this. And (former Russian President Dmitry) Medvedev, (Moscow Mayor Sergei) Sobyanin, or anyone else who comes in, will be pondering revenge.

Woke comments:

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China would benefit greatly by acquiring some of Russia's carbon fuel assets and other natural resources.

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russia has shown itself to be weak -the chinese should definitely talk the oil rich lands in the east. there would be no resistance.

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China would benefit from invading Russia.  Can you picture Putin pleading for help from the West for help fighting China?

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I mean China surely have lots of  lands stolen and pillaged by the Russians. The land that Vladivostok stood upon was once Chinese lands. And America surely wants a piece of the pie too and would likely take a big chunk of the Kamchatka Peninsula.

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I wouldn't shed a tear if China decided Russian land and resources were worth more to them than Taiwan

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