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If only the message were "Cooperate With Anti-Colonialists" then America could easily maintain friendship with both China and Africa at the very same time. We know false-leftists such as Biden are incapable of such a message though unfortunately. All these old "white" false-leftist types have to lean on is there support for "democracy" because they're too lazy-brained to even be capable of imagining that just because it says "democracy" on the label it does not necessarily mean that the contents are 'good'. 75,000,000 people voted for Donald Trump in the last election FFS! It's hard to claim "anti-colonialism" when you allow westerners like Trump to come to power and subvert the U.S. further away from Americanism.

South Africa To Hold Joint Drills With Russia & China, US Says “Cooperate With Democracies” 
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South Africa has announced that it will hold 10-day joint maritime drills with Russia and China in February. The maritime exercise will take place from February 17 to 27, off the port city of Durban and Richards Bay. Over 350 South African army personnel will take part in the drills alongside their Russian and Chinese counterparts. The US, which has maintained a strategic partnership with South Africa for years, has expressed concern over the move. The drills also coincide with the first anniversary of Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine that started on February 24 last year. Is South Africa's "neutrality" fading away?

#russia  #southafrica   #russiaukrainewar   #usa

0:00 - Introduction
0:30 - South Africa Announces Joint War Games With Russia, China
1:50 - South Africa's “neutrality” Fading Away?
2:32 - What It Means for Russia, China & South Africa
3:56 - South Africa’s Ties With Russia and China
4:38 - Opposition Slams South African Govt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdGlVLBa9Z4

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #256 on: February 13, 2023, 07:53:20 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLPk3gW5Xgs

Bonus video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SL4Is0mKZo

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I like when he says balloon.

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My favourite part is BAALLOOOOON

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BALOOOOOOOON BALOOOOOON

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BALLOOOOOOOOOOOON

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Ballooooooooooon!!!

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Ballooooooooon

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #257 on: February 14, 2023, 03:30:14 pm »
Where do you think those unidentified objects came from?

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #258 on: February 15, 2023, 11:24:08 pm »
https://apnews.com/article/aerial-objects-shot-down-lake-huron-8d60c429b1bf549a791434f8bd1bcc81

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Latest downed objects could well be ‘benign,’ US says
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“The intelligence community is considering as a leading explanation that these could just be balloons tied to some commercial or benign purpose,” said White House national security spokesman John Kirby.



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« Reply #259 on: February 16, 2023, 06:49:46 pm »
Eleven days old but worth the listen:

Zakaria calls out 'irrational' response by US to Chinese balloon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saOoYaYz7WI

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I agree with him on: #1. His very last sentence "even a balloon creates partisan warfare these days." #2. We should have an adult [FAIR] relationship with China. #3. The war in Iraq, i know what he's saying here, refer to movie Shock And Awe 2017. (Falsely accused of harboring nuclear weapons.)
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I think he nailed it.. the current politics made it impossible to ignore the balloon.
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Now even Zakaria is talking about the damn balloon... 😀.. See what u did social media... 😳

I think the best point being is that we should already assume China has taken pictures of every square inch of the U.S. via military satellites. Lastly, knowing that a nation has functional nuclear capability is part of the nuclear deterrence scheme...

Reminder:

China lashes out at US withdrawal from open skies treaty
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BEIJING (AP) — China on Monday lashed out at Washington over its withdrawal from the “Open Skies Treaty” with Russia, saying the move undermined military trust and transparency and imperiled future attempts at arms control.

The treaty, to which China is not a signatory, had allowed each country overflight rights to inspect military facilities.

That leaves only one arms-control pact still in force between the former Cold War foes, the New START treaty, which limits the number of nuclear warheads each may have. That treaty will expire in February and the Trump administration had said it wasn’t interested in extending it unless China also joined, something Beijing says it will not do...
https://apnews.com/article/china-us-withdrawal-open-skies-treaty-dc5d2f77537464c48568e39e628f9ade
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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #260 on: February 17, 2023, 02:51:07 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ppK03MmpI&ab_channel=NBCNews

2:11-2:34

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There's going to be hundreds of these things, I don't mean balloons, but things of consequence that are going to happen individually, that don't necessarily reflect any fundamental change in policy... and so the consequence for it is to shoot it down, learn as much as we can about it.



« Last Edit: February 17, 2023, 02:53:22 pm by m94r »

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #261 on: February 26, 2023, 08:04:06 pm »
US says it has intelligence that China is considering backing Russia in Ukraine
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The US has intelligence that the Chinese government is considering providing Russia with drones and ammunition for use in the war, three sources familiar with the intelligence told CNN.
It does not appear that Beijing has made a final decision yet, the sources said, as negotiations between Russia and China about the price and scope of the equipment are ongoing.
Since invading Ukraine, Russia has repeatedly requested drones and ammunition from China, the sources familiar with the intelligence said, and Chinese leadership has been actively debating over the last several months whether or not to send the lethal aid, the sources added. Retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman talks to CNN's Jim Acosta of what the ramifications could mean for the US. #russia #CNN #jimacosta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw2lSAWgXhk

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« Reply #262 on: February 26, 2023, 09:26:33 pm »
Whether the US claim is truthful or not doesn't matter. China's mistake was to even give the US the chance to credibly make such a claim. If (as I recommended a year ago) China had invaded Manchuria immediately after Russia invaded Ukraine, no one would take seriously any subsequent US claim that China was supplying Russia, and thus the US would refrain from such a claim in the first place.

As I keep saying, the only way to gain the trust of one side is to voluntarily burn bridges to the other side:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg11788/?topicseen#msg11788

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #263 on: February 28, 2023, 10:11:07 pm »
Why Russia's Biggest Threat is Actually China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iibs7buNwxQ

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Since Russia invaded Ukraine I've always thought it was a great opportunity for China to overtake valuable lands to their north.
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Russia does still have nuclear weapons and an official doctrine to use them if the territorial integrity of the nation is threatened. And I am sure Soviet planners during the cold war did take into consideration that the Chinese border could be threatened as well.

The rewards would be huge, but the gamble is unpredictable.
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Where specifically? Like the Japanese islands occupied by Russia?
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Most of north east russia up to the amur river was taken from China in the 1800s by russia....
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You think anyone can come into russian territory and do what they want lol? First of all its an enourmosly powerfull country with thousands of equipment facilities all over the country that basically print weapons. No other country has the capability to produce as much as russians at a given time frame. Because soviet union was just overwhelming in that regard and all this factories are in buisness till now. So whoever comes will face a really powerful conventional army and specially in defence russia will be alot harder to break. Lastly they have the most powerful nuclear arsenal in the world that can strike anywhere in the world from Sea, ground and air. Just because Russia does flatten Ukraine does not mean they cant. Its not the objective. However in all out war, dont make any mistake russia will unleash the most powerful weapons in their arsenal like Yars, bulava, kinzhal, sarmat, poseidon to name a few and completely decimate any invading force and obliterate any country invading Russia. So stop acting that any country including china can walk in and do whatever they want. Russia can literally within an hour erase all countries from face of earth.
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@Stockfish1511  thats assuming China and US missile defense systems can't keep up with russian missiles.

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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #264 on: February 28, 2023, 10:17:06 pm »
America U.S. predicts war with China in 2025
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US General Michael Minihan says that open conflict between #America and #China could happen as early as #2025.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f52FCWb5FEM&t=28s

Congress weighs nationwide ban of TikTok
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U.S. lawmakers are proposing a bill that would ban TikTok nationwide, citing concerns over national security. CBS News congressional correspondent Nikole Killion joined CBS News to discuss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm_MNb9FDic


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Re: China and United States Relations
« Reply #266 on: March 11, 2023, 06:17:59 pm »
Why the COVID-19 Lab-Leak Theory Has New Credibility and Why It Matters | Amanpour and Company
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With China-U.S. tensions on the increase, the origin of the coronavirus is one issue driving a wedge between the two nations. A hearing on Capitol Hill this week explored the potential causes of the COVID-19 outbreak. Jamie Metzl, who attended the hearing, warned U.S. lawmakers to not dismiss the hypothesis that the virus leaked from a Chinese lab. He speaks with Hari Sreenivasan about the importance of examining this theory.

Originally aired on March 10, 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QViBKM6JpPY

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« Reply #267 on: March 11, 2023, 06:47:14 pm »
As we keep saying, the only hope for improving US-China relations depends on a shift among Blue politicians:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-slam-biden-energy-secretary-160841099.html

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Republican lawmakers are tearing into U.S. Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm after she held up China as a model for the United States to emulate on climate change.

At the annual SXSW conference in Austin, Texas, on Friday, Granholm praised China's efforts to tackle climate change, saying the communist country "has been very sensitive, and has actually invested a lot in their solutions, to achieve their goals."

"We're hopeful that, you know, we can all learn from what China is doing," Granholm said.

Her comments drew a heated response from GOP House members, who accused her of "siding with China against American energy producers."

China's current approach of trying to win over Red and Blue indiscriminately will never succeed. The only approach with any chance of success is to use precisely Red anti-China sentiment:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/went-cpac-maga-supporters-pulse-122751559.html

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I went to CPAC to take MAGA supporters' pulse – China and transgender people are among the top 'demons' they say are ruining the country

to fuel Blue pro-China sentiment. When will China finally understand this?
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« Reply #268 on: March 13, 2023, 03:40:04 am »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/premier-li-urges-us-china-070910624.html

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Premier Li Urges US-China Cooperation, Seeks ‘Concrete Actions’
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(Bloomberg) -- New Premier Li Qiang called for China and the US to cooperate better, potentially opening the door for the nations to find a way past their recent tensions.
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The comments suggest a new willingness by China to resume talks with the US since the alleged spy balloon incident roiled ties between the world’s biggest economies. The tone of Li’s comments contrast with remarks by Xi a week ago, when he sought to rally China’s private sector to help overcome “containment” by the US and other countries
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Li said Monday that “China and the United States can and must cooperate,” adding that “encirclement and suppression are in no one’s interest.”

He added said China and the US were “closely intertwined economically,” saying that both nations benefited from each other’s development and pointing to last year’s two-way trade, which climbed to a record.

I agree. But then Li screws up:

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“They all hope to see cooperation between all countries in the world.”

No. If the US and China are to cooperate, you must say explicitly whom they are to cooperate against. As long as you do not say it, US-China relations will not improve.

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« Reply #269 on: March 17, 2023, 08:09:05 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-war-headed-terrifying-escalation-122005991.html

The correct move is becoming more and more obvious:

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Perhaps some agreement between China and the United States could be made that if China refrains from visits to Russia we could refrain from visits to Taiwan

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The only country with a large enough population to take Russia is China.

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What is better than retaking Siberia and harvesting its’ resources? Owning the people that harvest those resources and then sell you those resources at below harvesting cost.

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China and India are milking Russia for all it is worth. In some near future China might try a land purchase in Siberia. You know how France and Russia had to sell territory to the US in the 19th century to keep fighting elsewhere. I am sure China is putting together an offer for water and oil rich areas in Siberia. An offer that Russia cannot refuse.

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china already renting a lot of land in siberia, the next step is to buy it

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Putin buddying up with Xi , and one day he looks out his window and see the Chinese army marching down Red Square .

But most people who can see the correct move fail to understand that Xi is too psychologically colonized to see it. If only Xi were the clear thinker that so many commenters (inaccurately) imagine him to be! Unfortunately, he is not.