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Re: China and United States Relations
« on: July 05, 2020, 12:54:53 am »
OLD CONTENT contd.

At least some people are trying to think positively:

foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/06/united-states-china-coronavirus-pandemic-tensions/

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Could the Pandemic Ease U.S.-China Tensions?

Against a backdrop of tariffs, 5G, and weakening diplomacy, COVID-19 might be a rare chance for the two countries to come together—if they can listen to their better angels
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Between the two countries, China and the United States have vast capital and human resources. To stave off global economic collapse, and help fast-track lifesaving medical research, they must come together now, both through bilateral collaboration and in leading a more effective global response.
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The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s robust technical assistance program on infectious diseases in China, which was dramatically scaled back in 2018 as a result of budget cuts, should be restored and expanded. So too should work under the 2016 memorandum of understanding in which the two countries agreed jointly to provide public health and disease control training in Africa—where in recent months the United States has sought to block China from building the headquarters of the Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention. Lastly, Washington should invite Beijing to co-chair an action task force on COVID-19 under the Global Health Security Agenda, a multilateral public-private initiative focused on combating infectious disease.
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As this year’s host of the G-7 group of advanced economies, the United States should invite China to join virtual meetings to coordinate strategies to limit the damage from COVID-19 and prepare for rapid economic recovery.
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The United States should work with the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, and Japan to help China work out arrangements to relieve or forgive the massive debt it holds in the most vulnerable developing countries. The United States can assist in retooling existing projects to build desperately needed public health infrastructure, particularly given America’s strength in medical services, software, and expeditionary medicine.
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These suggested steps, albeit modest, would go a long way in reversing the negative course in U.S.-China relations. Both countries have experienced and competent ambassadors supported by professional staff. A good starting point would be for the two teams to agree on a menu of options for bilateral cooperation that the leaders could discuss. Joint action would allow both countries to show leadership at a critical time in history, when many smaller nations are increasingly vulnerable. And each of these measures could build some needed trust between Beijing and Washington, setting the stage for progress on other issues.

www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202004/04/WS5e884179a3101282172846c7.html

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Susan Shirk, chair of the 21st Century China Center and professor emeritus at the GPS of the UC San Diego, said this global health challenge required global solutions, which must involve coordination between the world's two largest economies.

"We are going to need a massive international effort on multiple fronts to help developing countries deal with the epidemic, develop a vaccine, and then vaccinate billions of people. Other nations will be hesitant to act unless they are convinced the United States and China are on the same page," she said in a statement posted on the university's website.

A group of Chinese academics had previously called for cooperation between Beijing and Washington to beat COVID-19.

"Political bickering does nothing to contribute to the healthy development of Sino-US relations, nor will it help the people of the world to rationally and accurately understand and cope with the pandemic," said the group of 100 Chinese scholars in an open letter published on Thursday in the online news magazine, The Diplomat.
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In response to the letter of Chinese scholars, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said Friday that more "rational, calm and positive" voices are needed at the current stage of COVID-19.

So does it appear that a Blue US or a Red US can best make the above happen?

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More China bashing from Weinstein (Jew):



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Good answer, unfortunately spoiled by the Eurocentric clothes.

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Eurocentric clothing is obviously an attempt by Chinese leaders to convey the message that they are more "diplomatic", but who decides what is or isn't diplomatic? Answer: Westerners. So, therefore, by adopting Eurocentric clothing, Chinese leaders are automatically accepting that they will be subservient to the West in any diplomatic encounters, and thus cave in to their every demand.

in the PR war Eurocentric clothing will convey the message that China is more open to adopting a Western form of government and thus will make it more susceptible to Zionist infiltrators who outwardly promote diplomacy with China, such as Max Blumenthal (Jew), but who seek to eventually democratize China.

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us.yahoo.com/news/chinese-ambassador-u-urges-serious-060929750.html

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(Bloomberg) -- The Chinese ambassador to the U.S. called for a “serious rethinking” of relations between the world’s biggest economies in the face of the global coronavirus pandemic.

“I think I should be hoping for more than just a pause in tensions, but really a serious rethinking of the very foundations of this important relationship,” Cui Tiankai said in response to a question on U.S.-China ties during a Bloomberg New Economy webcast on Tuesday.
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Cui has emerged as a voice of caution on U.S.-China relations. In March, he distanced himself from tweets by foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian, who speculated that the U.S. Army may have brought the virus to Wuhan. Cui described such speculation as “very harmful” and said investigations of the virus’s origin were best left to scientists. Zhao has since stopped promoting such claims.
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Cui added that China’s development has not come at the expense of the U.S., saying China wants “nothing to do with U.S. domestic politics, we can’t even make sense of it,” in response to a question on who China would prefer to win the presidential election in November.

I would say Cui is the one who needs to do some serious rethinking.

Firstly, he should stop thinking of the US as a single entity. Instead he should start thinking of the US as Red vs Blue , and figuring out which one is more likely to have a more positive relationship with China (Answer: Blue). Thus China should absolutely have a preference regarding who wins the 2020 election (Answer: the Blue candidate).

Secondly, Zhao said nothing "harmful". Cui only thinks it is harmful because he interprets Zhao's speculation as an attack on the US as a whole. It is not. When the US Army brought the virus to Wuhan, it was under the Trump administration. Therefore Zhao is only attacking the Red part of the US. Cui's job should be to emphasize that China will not lump in the Blue part of the US to blame for this, and thus not only do Blue supporters have nothing to fear from China, but it would actually benefit them to join in the attack on Red supporters.

Good relations between China and the US will not happen without Blue predominance. But the longer China ignores the Red vs Blue conflict instead of outspokenly supporting the Blue struggle, the higher the chances even a future Blue-predominant US will be unenthusiastic about good relations with China. This is what Cui should be thinking about carefully.

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More people are now saying what I was saying earlier about Biden:

www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/us-faces-a-hard-choice-about-china

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What should Joe Biden do?

Now that former vice-president Joe Biden has become Trump’s presumptive opponent, it will be necessary for Biden and his campaign team to take a top to bottom evaluation on where various issues stand.

The Trump campaign has already fired the first volley, accusing Biden of being too close to China and, not incidentally, the campaign clip also took a xenophobic swipe at Americans of Chinese ancestry. The New York Times said: “The ad, which calls Joe Biden soft on China and falsely suggests a former governor of Washington is Chinese, shows that President Trump plans to continue exploiting racial discord in his re-election bid.”

The one-minute spot was loaded with cheap shots designed to mislead and fool the uninformed. As vice-president, Biden made official visits to Beijing. Footage of his meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping suggested something unsavory and implied that then ambassador Gary Locke accompanying Biden was a Chinese official.

As the election campaign heats up, Biden can expect a piling on of TV spots that will accuse him of being in Beijing’s pocket. With Steve Bannon, a master of misdirection and misinformation, advising Trump’s campaign, being close to China will just be one of the issues Biden will have to deal with.

What should Biden do to counter? Should he counter by arguing that he is as anti-China as Trump or even more rabid? Surely that would put him on the defensive and exercising a losing strategy.

Instead, Biden should articulate an approach with China as diametrically different from Trump as possible.
Talk about global trade rather than a tariff war, collaboration on battling the pandemic, joint leadership on climate change and a mutual contribution to the financial stability of the world. Those would be some of the major issues that expose Trump’s failure to deliver for the American people.

Biden’s job is to take a bold stand and explain to voters that working with China would boost the global economy, including the US. Conversely, by continuing on Trump’s trajectory of treating China as an adversary and decoupling from each other, the economy of both countries would shrink and assure a losing future for the people of America, and for the world.

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www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/a-look-at-the-china-us-russia-triangle

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Today both China and Russia feel more than ever that they need to strengthen strategic coordination to deal with pressure from the United States. Although the two countries’ static inferiority against the U.S. in terms of physical power has significantly improved because of the China factor, their dynamic inferiority remains unchanged. In other words, neither China nor Russia can provide each other with strong enough support to mitigate American pressure in areas where it is most needed.

For example, Russia cannot provide China with a domestic market of billions of dollars, much less with advanced industrial technologies. And China cannot support Russia in the battlefields of Ukraine or Syria or provide it with sufficient development funding to counteract sanctions.

www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/where-are-china-russia-relations-heading-

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Exchanges between the Chinese and Russian people, especially young people, are insufficient, and there is not much deep-level cooperation between universities. The number of international exchange students from China and U.S. who study in the counterpart country is much larger than the number between China and Russia.

In addition, there is insufficient trust regarding the Belt and Road Initiative. China-Russia cooperation in this regard has progressed slowly, even though China has made rapid progress in Central Asian countries.

www.chinausfocus.com/foreign-policy/sino-american-and-russian-relations-president-trumps-unilateral-actions-in-the-middle-east-helped-china-to-replace-the-us-as-the-force-for-good

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Similar to the Sino-Iranian relationship built on trade, weapons, and oil, China has now emerged as the strongest collaborator with Iraq. A partner of President Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), Iraq’s total trade with China exceeded $30 billion in 2018. China is the largest trading partner of Iraq and the second biggest importer of Iraq’s oil.

During his visit to Beijing in September 2019, Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi said that China will be “a quantum leap” in Sino-Iraqi relations after the two countries signed eight comprehensive agreements on culture, defense, diplomacy, education, finance, reconstruction, security, and trade. Unlike the Russia–Syria–Iran–Iraq coalition with reactions to the White House’s unpredictable actions, China’s inroads into Iraq had deliberately been planned and engaged in bilateral diplomacy through the BRI framework.

With the latest US-Iran escalation, China certainly foresees greater opportunities to expand its influence in the region. For many – including former CIA director Michael Hayden – Trump is either a “Russian asset” or a “useful idiot,” as the consequences of the president’s decisions in Iraq have now become welcome news for Bagdad and Teheran to make Washington less important to the regional stakeholders, except for Israel.

The answer is staring us in the face. All it takes is an adjustment in perspective. A US-China alliance would be good for everyone except Russia and Israel. Which is what we want.

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"Then why is it that I keep hearing about Chinese-Israeli tech cooperation?"

Because of the lack of Chinese-American tech cooperation! China's reliance on Israel for tech can be short-circuited overnight if only the US were willing to become Israel's rival partner to China, deliberately offering better deals to China than Israel is willing to offer!

This is same logic as what I had to explain to Ingrid back on the old blog years ago:

aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/facing-muspellheimr/comment-page-1/#comment-168583

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Syria has been forced to depend on Russian intervention because it has lacked BETTER allies than Russia (which is just in there for its own interests). If another military power been willing to intervene in Syria in support of Assad sooner than Russia had intervened, then the Russian intervention would have been unnecessary. What the Russian intervention demonstrates is not Russia's goodwill, but Syria's lack of choices. Therefore we should not be praising Russian intervention, but should be encouraging other countries to RIVAL Russia in being pro-Assad.

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Our enemies recently wrote an article where even they effectively admit that China has never been "stealing" technology as such, but rather scavenging:

www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/04/18/beating-us-with-our-own-weapons/

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two Chinese information specialists, Huo Zhongwen and Wang Zongxiao, published a 361–page book entitled Sources and Methods of Obtaining National Defense Science and Technology Intelligence. The book candidly describes the structure and methods of China’s open source S&T information gathering system. Among the sources discussed are the Congressional Information Service, the US National Technical Information Service (NTIS), NASA, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, the Department of Energy and the Lockheed Corporation.

Huo and Wang blandly acknowledge that

there are similarities between what we refer to as ‘information’ and what the foreign intelligence community refers to as intelligence work. … By picking here and there among the vast amount of public materials and accumulating information a drop at a time, often it is possible to basically reveal the outlines of some secret intelligence, and this is particularly true in the case of the Western countries.

Huo and Wang give examples of discoveries of which they are especially proud. One involves the mining of declassified documents from Los Alamos National Laboratory:

[American agents] reviewed a total of 388,000 documents in 33 days, so each reviewer had to review around 1000 documents a day, about two a minute. The pace of the reviews resulted in a large number of errors—around five percent—that is, some 19,400 documents that were mistakenly declassified, and of these there were at least eight highly secret items regarding thermonuclear weapons.

Not only is this entirely ethical, but the best thing about it is that it reduces the incentive for innovation by making it harder for innovation to produce (as paleocons aim) a geopolitical advantage exclusively to the innovating country. This should help put some brakes on this:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

buying us more time to persuade the world ideologically that we shouldn't even want so many machines in the first place.

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www.france24.com/en/20200406-brazil-minister-offends-china-with-racist-virus-tweet

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China demanded an explanation from Brazil Monday after the far-right government's education minister linked the coronavirus pandemic to the Asian country's "plan for world domination," in a tweet imitating a Chinese accent.

In the latest incident to strain ties between Brasilia and Beijing, Education Minister Abraham Weintraub insinuated China was behind the global health crisis.
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In the original Portuguese, his tweet substituted the letter "r" with capital "L" -- "BLazil" instead of "Brazil," for example -- in a style commonly used to mock a Chinese accent.

In case you are wondering, yes:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Weintraub

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Weintraub was born in Săo Paulo into a Jewish family.

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Our enemies make our case for us:

www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15944/afghanistan-china-moving-in

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Beijing has deftly maintained low-key but friendly relations with the Taliban since the Islamic movement assumed power in Kabul in 1996. Only China and Pakistan kept their ties with the Taliban when American and Northern Alliance forces drove the terrorist group from power in the autumn of 2001.

China is now the foremost foreign source of investment in Afghanistan. China, for instance, has gained access to three separate oil fields in the Afghan provinces of Sari-i-pul and Faryab and has also invested heavily in extracting copper and iron ore from Afghanistan.

China, however, seems to be hedging its bets. It remains a supplier of weapons to the Taliban through the third-party services of Iran. Both the United Kingdom and the U.S. State Department have complained to China about the free flow of Chinese weapons to Iran, which then wind up with the Taliban. These include surface-to-air missiles, rocket-propelled grenades, artillery shells and land mines. In fact, as early as 2007, British Royal Marines intercepted a ten-ton cache of Chinese weapons left for the Taliban by the Iranians in Herat Province, Afghanistan, which borders on Iran.
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China developed early ties to Afghan jihadists by sending them weapons to fight the Russians after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in late December 1979. The Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan also established close ties with the Taliban in 2000, during a meeting in Kandahar, Afghanistan with the group's leader, Mullah Omar. The Taliban, in turn, pledged to protect Chinese investment projects in Afghanistan. China's $3 billion copper mine investment at Mes Aynak in Afghanistan's Logar Province remains under the Taliban's protection.

Bear in mind that, during the Cold War, the US and Afghanistan were allies too! Thus the US and China were on the same side when it came to opposing Russia. This is what we need to get back to.
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