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« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2020, 10:43:48 pm »
This shows how cowardly they are. They should be giving credit to autocracy for China's success, thus inspiring scepticism towards democracy by presenting China as a representative of the alternative. Instead they go with the cowardly claim that China is merely a "different type of democracy". Such a statement implies that they themselves believe that democracy has the moral high ground, but worse, everyone knows the statement itself ("China is democratic") is false, therefore everyone can now accuse China of actually knowing democracy is superior (hence being motivated to claim to be democratic) but still refusing to become democratic in reality, which is the worst position China can put itself in.

This is a perfect example of China's PR incompetence as noted above.

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« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2020, 12:23:14 pm »
Experts see little difference between Biden and Trump on China trade

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« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2020, 07:16:03 am »
This shows how cowardly they are. They should be giving credit to autocracy for China's success, thus inspiring scepticism towards democracy by presenting China as a representative of the alternative. Instead they go with the cowardly claim that China is merely a "different type of democracy". Such a statement implies that they themselves believe that democracy has the moral high ground, but worse, everyone knows the statement itself ("China is democratic") is false, therefore everyone can now accuse China of actually knowing democracy is superior (hence being motivated to claim to be democratic) but still refusing to become democratic in reality, which is the worst position China can put itself in.

This is a perfect example of China's PR incompetence as noted above.

This word is even declared in their constitution like this.
http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/englishnpc/Constitution/2007-11/15/content_1372963.htm

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Article 1 The People’s Republic of China is a socialist state under the people’s democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants.

The socialist system is the basic system of the People’s Republic of China. Disruption of the socialist system by any organization or individual is prohibited.

Article 2 All power in the People’s Republic of China belongs to the people.

The National People’s Congress and the local people’s congresses at various levels are the organs through which the people exercise state power.

The people administer State affairs and manage economic and cultural undertakings and social affairs through various channels and in various ways in accordance with the provisions of law.

Article 3 The State organs of the People’s Republic of China apply the principle of democratic centralism.

The National People’s Congress and the local people’s congresses at various levels are constituted through democratic elections. They are responsible to the people and subject to their supervision.

All administrative, judicial and procuratorial organs of the State are created by the people’s congresses to which they are responsible and by which they are supervised.

The division of functions and powers between the central and local State organs is guided by the principle of giving full scope to the initiative and enthusiasm of the local authorities under the unified leadership of the central authorities.

Article 16 State-owned enterprises have decision-making power with regard to their operation within the limits prescribed by law.

State-owned enterprises practise democratic management through congresses of workers and staff and in other ways in accordance with law.

Article 17 Collective economic organizations have decision-making power in conducting independent economic activities, on condition that they abide by the relevant laws.

Collective economic organizations practise democratic management and, in accordance with law, elect or remove their managerial personnel and decide on major issues concerning operation and management.

Even Deng Xiaoping didn't bother to amend these parts until his retirement.

Also in Chinese characters (Hanzi)

民粹主義 = populism
民主主義 = democracy

See their similarities, right?

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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2020, 09:03:27 pm »
China and U.S. need three Cs – clarity, continuity and competence\
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The China-U.S. relationship needs three Cs – clarity, continuity and competence. There will be discussions and difficulties over some issues, but both countries should try to build a stronger relationship on the most important ones like the economy and security. They should aim at stable relations even as strong disagreements remain, says William C. Kirby, T.M.Chang Professor of China Studies at Harvard University.


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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2020, 10:49:43 pm »
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China and U.S. need three Cs – clarity, continuity and competence

They also need another C: a common enemy.

What is the next letter after C?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/

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« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2020, 02:29:01 am »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/joe-biden-might-start-fixing-033256065.html

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This Is How Joe Biden Might Start Fixing America's Relationship With China
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1. The U.S. and China need to start talking
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Cordiality is sorely needed. Communication channels between U.S. and Chinese officials are currently “zippo,” according to one top U.S. diplomat, while China’s ambassador to the U.S., Cui Tiankai, has been completely frozen out of discussions with even junior Trump administration officials.
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An early first summit between Biden and Xi will help set the tone for relations. Biden’s easiest win may simply be the fact that he is not his predecessor. “Trump is fundamentally a person without decency, and you cannot have a friend without decency,” says Gao. “Biden is a person with decency—that’s very, very important.”

2. Calling a truce in the U.S.-China trade war

Trump focused on reducing America’s $345.6 billon trade deficit with China, but it actually grew during his tenure. It also provided an excuse for Xi—a self-proclaimed (albeit reluctant) free-market globalist—to chart a more domestic course.
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A Biden administration can help torpedo these arguments by returning to rules-based, free-market trade relations. There are inklings of hope, even in areas that have long been a sticking point between China and its trading partners—such as access for foreign firms to the domestic market.
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3. Building U.S.-China Cooperation

The space for collaboration between the U.S. and China shrank precipitously over Trump’s tenure. The most obvious area for Biden to look for common ground would be climate change, which Trump lambasted as a “hoax,” withdrawing the U.S. from the Paris Climate Accords and stripping back regulation on polluting industries.
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There are also opportunities to build consensus on issues like coronavirus vaccine development, education, cultural ties, nuclear proliferation, trade and investment. Despite the pandemic and the specter of economic decoupling, Chinese firms are also heading for a record number of IPOs in the U.S. this year. Given the turmoil roiling the U.S., picking more fights with Beijing is unlikely to feature high on Biden agenda.
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4. Reducing tensions

The Trump administration’s ideological beef with China was spelled out by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who challenged the legitimacy of the CCP and called for regime change. In this light, every aspect of bilateral relations came under attack, including visas for Chinese students, seemingly innocuous social media platforms like TikTok, and the sale of U.S. tech components to Chinese firms.
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“Ultimately, I think we are going to see a more sophisticated approach to competing with China that doesn’t say everything’s black and white,” says Bisley. “But high-tech competition and the risks of two Internets, will continue to be a challenge.”

The above is just common sense. Now here is where it goes wrong:

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5. Strengthening U.S. alliances in Asia-Pacific

Ganging up on China might not seem like a great way to mend ties, given that Beijing has traditionally preferred dealing with individual states instead of multinational groupings like the European Union. But Biden was key to the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)—a sprawling trade pact including the U.S. and 11 other countries from Asia and the Americas.

It was designed to coax better trade practices out of China, but Trump nixed the pact on his first full day in office. The remaining 11 members eventually moved forward with a modified agreement while freezing 22 provisions insisted upon by Washington, including protections for U.S. workers. Whether Biden would be willing to rejoin TPP is an open question—his “Buy American” policy might preclude membership, while existing members may be reluctant to renegotiate terms with Washington. But it’s the kind of consensus-based approach that gives Beijing a migraine.

I would say that the best approach is a new version of the TPP that includes China. How can anything intellectually honestly call itself a Trans-Pacific Partnership without including the largest economy on one side of the Pacific? On the other hand, an authentic TPP (with the US and China as the central members) would be a game-changer for the smaller countries by, instead of forcing a choice of US vs China, making it into choice of both vs neither. Under the latter choice, it is almost certain that they will go with both, thus achieving a grand partnership.

From there, we can exert pressure of Russia from a position of unprecedented geopolitical strength.
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« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2020, 11:31:49 am »
China's threat to US is 'exaggerated,' historian Niall Ferguson says
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Historian Niall Ferguson, senior fellow of the Hoover Institution, Stanford, discusses the rivalry between the United States and China and the outlook for American foreign policy under President-elect Joe Biden from the UBS Virtual European Conference.

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« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2020, 11:44:31 pm »
Trump Bans Investment in Firms Controlled by China’s Military
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President Donald Trump signed an order banning U.S. investment in Chinese firms determined to be owned or controlled by the country’s military. This is the latest bid by the White House to ramp up pressure on Beijing. Bloomberg’s Tom Mackenzie reports on “Bloomberg Daybreak: Asia.”


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Pres. Trump maintains a bank account in China that he has never publicly disclosed, according to tax documents obtained by The New York Times. Trump's account in China has remained a secret because it is held under a corporate name, Trump International Hotels Management. In 2017, that company 'reported an unusually large spike in revenue — some $17.5 million, more than the previous five years’ combined,' The Times reported. 'It was accompanied by a $15.1 million withdrawal by Mr. Trump from the company’s capital account.' Trump has repeatedly assailed Joe Biden as 'soft on China.' Tax records show Trump paid $188,561 in taxes in China through his company from 2013 to 2015, vastly more than the $750 he paid in federal U.S. income taxes in 2016 and 2017. A lawyer for the Trump Organization would not disclose the bank where the president maintains his account.
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgyWLA8mzeybItM78Ut4AaABCQ?lb=UgyWLA8mzeybItM78Ut4AaABCQ&ocd=1

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« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2020, 08:24:08 pm »
How are media twisting China's five-year plan?
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This week, CGTN is looking at media coverage on proposals for China's 14th Five-Year Plan, which were revealed last month. Do the media make the key points clear or are they spinning the facts into something to fear?

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« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2020, 02:12:57 pm »
Asia forms world's biggest trade bloc, without the United States
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The world's biggest free-trade bloc came into existence with 15 Asia-Pacific economies forming the China-backed Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership at a virtual summit.

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« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2020, 11:45:51 pm »
RCEP Is Shot Across the Bow for U.S.: Arnold & Porter’s Reade
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Claire Reade, senior counsel at Arnold & Porter, discusses the importance of the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership deal, or RCEP, deal and the timing of the agreement. She speaks on “Bloomberg Markets: Asia.”

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« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2020, 12:28:29 pm »
Why is Asia-Pacific's new trade deal so important? | Inside Story
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A third of the global economy comes under the new Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, or R-Cep. China, ten southeast asian nations along with South Korea, Japan, Australia and New Zealand have signed the free-trade agreement. But the U.S. is excluded, leaving Beijing as the dominant economy in the bloc. So, will this deal help the region's economy?

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« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2020, 11:18:08 am »
U.S. only had 16 years not at war over its 240-plus years of history: Chinese Foreign Ministry
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U.S. Navy Secretary Kenneth Braithwaite called Tuesday for the navy to establish a new fleet at the intersection of the Indian and Pacific Oceans. He said the U.S. 7th Fleet alone, which is forward-deployed in Japan, is not enough to deal with China's military ambitions. Chinese Foreign Ministry responded to Braithwaite's remarks on Thursday, urging the U.S. to discard the outdated Cold War and zero-sum game mindset.

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America was founded on militarism. It can no more change than a leopard can change its spots.

It should be pointed out that military preparedness does not necessarily equate to war. The U.S. believing itself to be the "exceptional" nation of the world has led it to war more times than militarism alone. It should also be clear by now to any rational U.S. citizen that the U.S. is far from being an exceptional nation. The Trump presidency and the U.S.' response to a pandemic are obvious indicators of this fact, as is it's crumbling infrastructure, terrible public transportation system, and terrible medical system are others.

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American exceptionalism
American exceptionalism is a view of the United States of America that the country sees its history as inherently different from that of other nations,[2] stemming from its emergence from the American Revolution, becoming what the political scientist Seymour Martin Lipset called "the first new nation"[3] and developing a uniquely American ideology, "Americanism", based on liberty, equality before the law, individual responsibility, republicanism, representative democracy, and laissez-faire economics. This ideology itself is often referred to as "American exceptionalism."[4] Second is the idea that America has a unique mission to transform the world[according to whom?]. President Abraham Lincoln stated in the Gettysburg address (1863) during the American Civil War, in reference to the preservation of the United States itself, Americans have a duty to ensure, "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Third is the sense that America's history and its mission give it a superiority over other nations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

We know who else sees themselves as exceptional people too don't we?


We also know which people believe it their mission to spread democracy to the "gentile" world:


Is it any surprise then that Israel would be the U.S.' number one ally in the middle-east?

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« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2020, 11:22:41 am »
Behind Trump's latest executive order targeting Chinese firms
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U.S. President Donald Trump has signed an executive order banning U.S. companies from investing in Chinese firms with alleged ties to the PLA. Why has he made this move?

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« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2020, 12:59:04 pm »
Why the RCEP Trade Agreement is Significant for U.S.-China Relations
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Why is the recent signing of the RCEP trade agreement significant for U.S.-China relations? Professor Huang Yiping (Peking University) and investment strategist Andy Rothman (Matthews Asia) explain at our CHINA Town Hall 2020: Economics & Trade event.