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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2021, 11:56:49 pm »
" Vedic traditionalism is to not drink milk as well as not eat beef!"
Well, technically even the Vedics ate beef, so there's that...
False Leftists and traditionalists on the same page, imagine my surprise...

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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2021, 12:10:59 am »
I thought the lower castes in Vedic times were prohibited from eating beef?

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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2021, 12:32:26 am »
"lower castes"
You mean higher castes?

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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2021, 12:47:15 am »
No, I know the Vedic brahmins ate beef:


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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2021, 01:20:27 am »
Those were the people I was referring to when I said "technically even the Vedics ate beef". I was making the point that by purporting to "oppose" traditionalism, False Leftists end up adopting the same attitudes as traditionalists.

If you mean that Vedic traditionalism exhibits a double standard by forbidding non-Brahmins to eat beef but allowing Brahmins to consume it, then I would agree. I would also agree that rejecting milk is the correct response to this, but the first step in this process is to reject other meats as well, given that many of the present-day Vedic Brahmins also consume fish, mutton (goat), chicken, etc.

What do you think?

TLDR;
Veganism > Lacto Vegetarianism > Ovo Vegetarianism > Pescatarianism > Flexitarianism > meat eaters

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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2021, 02:14:08 am »
"If you mean that Vedic traditionalism exhibits a double standard by forbidding non-Brahmins to eat beef but allowing Brahmins to consume it"

This is what I meant.

"the first step in this process is to reject other meats as well"

Of course! I only mentioned milk because it also comes from cows.

"Lacto Vegetarianism > Ovo Vegetarianism"

Disagree here. Recall:

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/our-enemies-concede-that-judaism-is-rightist/comment-page-1/#comment-180200

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I would have no problem in principle with eating eggs from GENUINELY free hens (not the present-day scam “free-range” where there is a so-called “exit” that none of the hens can realistically reach). Back in the Neolithic era, it would have made perfect sense for hens to congregate voluntarily on Aryan subsistence farms (where they would get not only food but also refuge from predators (human and non-human)), and the Aryans would get their eggs in return. This only became corrupted when non-Aryan humans who had learned farming imprisoned the congregated hens, and started breeding subsequent generations deliberately (for both eggs and meat, as well as cockfighting and other sadistic practices), which eventually led to the horrors of Western modern poultry factories:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debeaking

Thus, while I would in principle be willing to eat eggs from existing hens (in genuinely free living conditions), I would never support breeding subsequent generations of hens for the sake of maintaining a supply of eggs for humans. This means in practice that I don’t eat eggs within the economy at all, as doing so would create economic demand for subsequent generations of hens to be bred.
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“Was it noble of them to assume that the chickens coming to them for refuge were okay with them eating their eggs? Do you think that there somehow was communication/consent between the two species?”

It would only be an assumption if the chickens were not allowed to choose to leave. What I was describing involved chickens free to weigh the deal they got on Aryan subsistence farms compared to deals they could get elsewhere. Indeed, it is entirely possible that two Aryan subsistence farms had different tax rules, for example one might prefer taxes payable in manure:

https://www.hgtv.com/outdoors/gardens/animals-and-wildlife/the-straight-poop-on-using-chicken-manure-as-fertilizer

so it would be up to individual chickens to migrate to whichever they prefer. Remember, back then chickens were not yet domesticated, so if they didn’t like any available deal, they could choose to fend for themselves like they were doing the whole time before Aryan subsistence farms came along! (Whereas today, dealing with domesticated chickens, the ethical calculation is different.)

In contrast, there was no prehistoric ethical pathway for milk consumption short of a freak scenario where the calf dies accidentally and then the cow turns up at the Aryan subsistence farm volunteering to be milked.
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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2021, 02:46:13 am »
"In contrast, there was no prehistoric ethical pathway for milk consumption short of a freak scenario where the calf dies accidentally and then the cow turns up at the Aryan subsistence farm volunteering to be milked."

I see. But I was using ovo vegetarians to refer to those consume eggs but also consume dairy, whereas most lacto vegetarians I know avoid the former. I should have used "lacto-ovo vegetarianism" to refer to the the former group.

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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2021, 10:03:28 pm »
It always shocked me that things like "Meatless Monday" are supposed to be a challenge for the majority of people. Are these people really so addicted to cruelty that they eat meat every single meal of every single day? Like, don't they just spontaneously have random days with no meat in their meals? They are actually going out of their way to meticulously plan each meal to ensure they don't accidentally demasculinize themselves by forgetting their meat?

(It's also shocking that environmentalists and vegans who promote things like "Meatless Monday" think that's actually going to make a dent in violence against non-humans and environmental damage...)

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2021, 02:04:17 am »
"every single meal"

I never understood how it is possible to eat meat for breakfast. The infamous full English breakfast:





Worse, hotels etc. in former colonies continue to offer this breakfast option! And many local Eurocentrists consider it to be "cultured"!

"They are actually going out of their way to meticulously plan each meal to ensure they don't accidentally demasculinize themselves by forgetting their meat?"

It certainly seems that way:

https://www.ladbible.com/news/uk-sausage-voted-as-the-most-important-part-of-a-full-english-breakfast-20210404

"(It's also shocking that environmentalists and vegans who promote things like "Meatless Monday" think that's actually going to make a dent in violence against non-humans and environmental damage...)"

I am convinced that the only way we will ever get a vegan world is by prohibiting lots of people from reproducing.
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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2021, 02:38:18 am »
"English breakfast"
https://youtu.be/WEBy5zrsdPI

I never understood Westerners' obsession with "breakfast" to begin with. In many non-western cultures, for example, a bowl of porridge or oats is considered enough. Anything else is reserved for special occasions.
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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2021, 10:46:25 pm »
Our enemies are voluntarily leaning into our narrative:

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2021/05/29/the-food-wars-are-coming-to-america/

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Alienated metropolitan weirdos are attacking the great culinary traditions of Western civilization

Editor’s Note: By all accounts, Farage loves to drink and Salvini is a foodie. Neither of them are faking it. Donald Trump also eats like that.
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The libs don’t even believe in equality or live and let live anymore. Today, they have self-righteous moral puritans who believe that eating a cheeseburger or a chicken sandwich is a moral catastrophe.
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Is barbeque a rightwing nationalist and populist cause?

Once again, I never really thought of it that way. Who has a problem with barbeque?
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The idea that you are saving the planet by eating asparagus, brussels sprouts or a salad and that this makes you better than someone who eats a steak with it is absurd.

Let the cow judge who is better!

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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2021, 12:25:13 am »
Just some information that might be useful:


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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2021, 02:42:18 am »
At least some people are attempting to tackle the subject:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-exotic-food-racism-xenophobia

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The Washington Post published a piece arguing that food should no longer be described as "exotic."
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Galarza spoke with several professors who similarly oppose the term "exotic food," including one who insisted it's "tied to the history of colonialism and slavery."

This is correct. Western food is never called "exotic" by locals no matter where in the world you are eating it. People from a formerly colonized country may call food from a different formerly colonized country "exotic" even though it is geographically nearer, and not call food from a former colonial power (not necessarily even one which colonized the country in question) "exotic" even though it is geographically further away. Thus what is considered "exotic" is influenced by Eurocentrism. This ties back in with what I was saying above about hotel breakfasts always offering a Western option etc..

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"ok but can i still call the dancers that?" Washington Examiner commentator T. Becket Adams quipped.

Sure, as long as you start by calling ballroom/ballet/etc. dancers that. Those styles come from centuries ago across the Atlantic Ocean FFS!

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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2021, 11:17:01 pm »
Western scientists belatedly confirm what was always totally obvious to any non-Turanian with a functional nose and tongue:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26517348/

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Re: Dietary decolonization
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2021, 10:01:38 pm »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-woman-making-improved-congee-apologizes/ar-AAMrFe6

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White woman making 'improved' congee apologizes

Breakfast Cure, an Oregon-based company run by a white woman, Karen Taylor, has apologized after being accused by Asian Americans of culturally appropriating congee, a traditional Asian rice porridge.

The company, which sells pre-packaged meals it had referred to as congee, issued the apology in a statement on its website this week after it was criticized by many across social media for exoticizing the comfort food and trying to reframe the already-popular dish. It had previously claimed to have altered congee to fit “your modern palate” and “improve” a dish that’s been beloved by Asian cultures for centuries.
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Taylor, an acupuncturist and self-proclaimed “Queen of Congee,” had written a now-edited post titled, “How I discovered the miracle of congee and improved it.”
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Congee has long been a dish for commoners that is often eaten in times of need because it requires only a few ingredients. By contrast, Breakfast Cure’s slow-cook meal packs cost $14.95 per pack. Kim said that Taylor's profiting off of congee, particularly as a white woman, erases the humble nature of the dish.

“She's essentially making a large amount of money, or could potentially make a large amount of money, based on taking common people's Asian food,” Kim said. “She is claiming that congee is not good on its own, and she as a white woman has found a way to make congee much, much better, meaning that it serves a white people's palate.”

Krishnendu Ray, the chair of the Nutrition and Food Studies department at New York University, said it’s not surprising that non-Asians would be interested in East Asian cuisine. The problem comes when white people are the ones who profit from this culture and sell a “kind of a white women's version of porridge and then naming it congee because they want a cool, exotic name.”

“And when that happens, often outsiders come in, and they, in their minds, upgrade the cuisine,” Ray said.

Embellishment is not improvement/upgrading. But Westerners will never understand this because Western civilization is aesthetically inferior. Don't believe me? Here is Taylor's cultural appropriation product:



This is actual congee:



Anyone who thinks the first picture is an "improvement"/"upgrade" over the second is a Westerner.

Another article trashing Taylor:

https://nextshark.com/congee-backlash-breakfast-cure-asian-dish-western-palate/

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‘Karen, Queen of Congee’ draws backlash over brand ‘improving’ ancient Asian dish for the Western palate
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There are currently 13 flavors of Breakfast Cure’s prepackaged “congee.” These include “Apple Cinnamon,” “Coconut Blueberry Bliss,” “Golden Spice,” “Karen’s Kitchari,” “Mango and Sticky Rice,” “Masala Chai Spice,” “Mega-Omega,” “Om Berry,” “Pear-Fection,” “Pineapple Paradise,” “Romano Bean Dream,” “Tangled Up in Blueberry” and “Three Treasures.”

You only have to read the names to know that this is not "improvement", but Homo Hubris flavouring.

This goes back to what was being discussed here recently:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg7612/#msg7612

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg7648/#msg7648
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