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Diplomatic decolonization
« on: July 06, 2020, 02:59:08 am »
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www.dailymail.co.uk/mostread/article-6850095/Mexican-president-asks-Spain-apologize-actions-conquest.html

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Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has demanded an apology from Spain and the Vatican for wrongs committed against indigenous people during the Spanish conquest 500 years ago.
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The Mexican leftist leader said the letter cited massacres that took place during the Spanish conquest at the beginning of the 16th century.

'There were massacres and oppression,' said López Obrador from the archaeological zone in the southeastern state of Tabasco. 'The so-called conquest was carried out with the sword and the cross. They built their churches on top of the temples.'

While looking for a reconciliation with Spain, López Obrador said his government would be publicly apologizing for the abuses the indigenous people.

'I will also do it because after the colony there was a lot of repression of the indigenous peoples,' he said.

This is what I like to see! Bringing the Vatican into it is a fine touch that demonstrates proper historical knowledge.

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'López Obrador's letter is an intolerable offence to the Spanish people,' said Alberto Rivera, head of the center-right Ciudadanos party, in a tweet.

Pablo Casado, the head of Spain's main center-right opposition party, said López Obrador's statement was an 'affront to Spain and its history'.

Spain should have thought about that before they decided to colonize. But of course, being Westerners, they believe the problem is not Western civilization doing evil, but its victims actually daring to raise awareness of it. This attitude is the same attitude that caused the colonial era, and as we can see, nothing has changed.

Anyway, every former Western colony should follow suit! Spain's other former colonies should find it especially easy to do so as they can directly join in the call:



And don't forget, if only Spain had remained Andalus, none of the stuff on the map would ever have happened. And if the Spanish/Portugese Empires had not started things off, the other colonial empires might not have followed either. Looking at it this way, Andalus was in effect the portal guardian singlehandedly protecting the whole planet from the horrors of the colonial era. As such, we should not only be demanding apologies from the former colonial powers, but should also be expressing gratitude to Andalus. Ultimately we should be trying to restore Andalus, not only back to what it was, but all the way to what it should have been.

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Someone has joined in!

www.lasexta.com/noticias/nacional/mezquita-ishbilia-sevilla-exige-que-rey-felipe-pida-perdon-reconquista_201903295c9e031f0cf221c687040191.html

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The Ishbilia mosque has published a post on Facebook under the name of the Islamic Community itself and its president, Yihad Sarasua, in expressing “the sentiments among Spanish Muslims and those who for certain reasons, reside in Spain, for the lack of conciliation between the Crown and the heirs of the Andalusian legacy.

“Sir, being the King of Spain, I believe that the historical moment has arrived to carry out the recognition of the vileness, plunder, displacement and murders carried out by orders of the Catholic kings and their most direct collaborators, which culminated with the surrender of Granada and the breach of everything subscribed to the Muslim community,” reads the letter.

Besides, he adds that the Muslims were subjected to a “constant persecution” that left “millions of dead”: “Never has existed such a fierce persecution and eagerness to eliminate a religious community, as was carried out by the old Spanish royalty in the times of Felipe II, (an) extermination that culminated in the War of the Alpujarres subsequent to the Pragmatic Sanction of 1567”.

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news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514f7767544e34457a6333566d54/index.html

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Fazeli Nashli highlighted the need to understand each other without the "Western go-betweens" while strongly advocating for collaborative research.

"We [Asian civilizations] have similar cultural components. We need to understand each other more because due to the modernity we are very quickly passing from the old traditions to new traditions," he said.

"Before we lose lots of other information, historical and social backgrounds, archaeological background, we need more research activities to establish joint projects, for example between China and Iranian archaeologists, rather than Western scholars telling us about each other," the Iranian archaeologist quipped.

"We need to understand each other because we have a long, long, inter-relationship together dating back to 10,000 years ago. Why in modern times we have to understand our histories from the Western point of view?" he asked.

He recommended civilizational countries such as China, India, Japan, Iran and also other Western, Central and East Asian nations to open their academic facilities and resources for joint research and preservation of archaeological monuments and cities.

"We need more anthropological studies, ethnographic studies, historical studies, archaeological studies to record lots of information on past societies… Academic centers in different countries need to be interconnected so that more scholars can learn from each other," he proposed.

OK, but in that case surely the first thing you need to do is stop using the term "Asian", which itself is nothing but what Westerners have told you that you are! (Or if you must use it, at least put "" around it to show that you despise the term.) Moreover, once you have understood that you are not "Asian", you might realize that a grand decolonizing coalition has no reason to be limited to "Asians", but can and should accomodate all former victims of the Western colonial powers.

Here is a nice gesture, at least:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpCE40qv_uU

On the other hand, beware of our enemies who try to divide us by offering some of us alliance with them in exchange for betraying the rest of us:

vdare.com/articles/john-derbyshire-at-amren-the-arctic-alliance-revisited

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I divide the human race into Arctics and non-Arctics on paleoanthropological grounds. So Arctics are those present-day races whose remote ancestors inhabited the forests and tundra of northern Eurasia—the whites and the yellows, to a first approximation. In my book We Are Doomed I used the synonym “Ice People.”

In the world today, the Arctics exhibit two characteristics that separate them quite clearly from non-Arctics, or “Sun People.”.

**** YOU. We are Sun People.

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Interesting indie news report that spells out much of the above mentioned here, albeit in video form.
Gaddafi was trying to introduce a new African currency before it was -- surprise, surprise -- France that most supported in ousting him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42_-ALNwpUo

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www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-president-praises-ties-with-china-14461

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Maintaining momentum in relations between Turkey and China is crucial to both the welfare of their peoples and international stability, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said, praising the mutual ties during an official visit on July 2.

The president was welcomed by his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping in Beijing before a tête-à-têtes meeting.

“I believe that Turkey and China have great potential for strengthening cooperation,” Erdoğan said following the meeting at Great Hall of the People.

“We are on the same page regarding President Xi’s approach to the initiative, which is not only to improve transport and communication networks, to construct trade corridors and to harmonize trade policies and development strategies but also to boost cultural and human ties in this framework,” he said in an interview with Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua before the meeting.
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The Turkish president highlighted that Turkey is one of the first countries to support China’s Belt and Road, an initiative of regional development and creating new global trade routes.

“There is a natural harmony between our Middle Corridor Initiative and China’s Belt and Road Initiative,” Erdoğan said.

“This harmony allows us to cooperate with China in large geographies such as Central Asia and Africa.”
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“I believe that we will witness together how our relations will be upgraded in all fields when we boost our consultations with our Chinese friends.”

“Our strengthening bilateral cooperation promotes greater interaction between our peoples and facilitates progress in the area of tourism. China marked the Turkey Tourism Year in 2018 and hosted dozens of events around the country,” Erdoğan said, voicing pleasure over the considerable rise in the number of Chinese tourists visiting Turkey.

This is especially encouraging because Turkey is a NATO country while China is a NAM country. This is therefore a step towards our proposed NATO-NAM merger.

Some commentators think Turkey improving its relationship with China equates to Turkey worsening its relationship with the US, but this presumes a diplomatically static US. Actually, there is nothing to stop the US from taking Turkey's cue and improving its relationship with China also (which is what we want).

authenticamericandream.blogspot.com/2018/03/countering-pacific-pivot.html

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Despite his panoramic historical review, Pagden is selective in what he discusses, passing over what does not support his argument. A case in point is Asia Minor, or today’s Turkey. Indeed, he leaves out the Cold War altogether, so important to understanding Turkey. Heir to the Ottoman Empire, Turkey is a member of NATO and an ally of the United States. It played an important role in the containment and ultimate defeat of the Soviet Union. The same can be said about many other Muslim countries that were also allies of the United States against communism. Pagden is forced to neglect the Cold War because it would undermine his attempt to draw a picture of the Muslim world in perpetual conflict with the West.
mepc.org/worlds-war-2500-year-struggle-between-east-and-west

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOE9-eTjI1I

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Iran demonstrates the correct approach to diplomacy with Western states:

theiranproject.com/blog/2019/10/03/iran-calls-on-germany-to-stop-support-for-criminal-israeli-regime/

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The spokesman for the Iranian Foreign Ministry called on Germany to end support for the criminal regime of Israel and to live up to existing expectations of an effective and constructive role in helping to create lasting peace and stability in the region.

The Islamic Republic of Iran considers reducing tension in the region to be possible only through serious confrontation of all parties with destructive, meddlesome and inhumane actions of the Zionist regime [of Isreal,]” Mousavi said.

The Iranian FM spokesman was referring to the devastating crimes of the Zionist regime in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria.

Mousavi further noted that the Islamic Republic of Iran will continue to support the oppressed nations of the region, including the Palestinian people, based on its adherence to human and Islamic values.

In a statement, the German Foreign Office spokesman underscored his country’s support for the Zionist regime of Israel and called on Iran to be committed to maintaining peaceful relations with the countries of the region and taking practical steps to ease the tensions.

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All initiatives to promote positive relations between former fellow colonized countries should be applauded:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartarpur_Corridor

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The Kartarpur Corridor (Punjabi/Urdu: کرتارپور راہداری‎, Punjabi: ਕਰਤਾਰਪੁਰ ਲਾਂਘਾ) is a border corridor between Pakistan and India, connecting the Sikh shrines of Dera Baba Nanak Sahib (located in Punjab, India) and Gurdwara Darbar Sahib (in Punjab, Pakistan). The corridor is intended to allow religious devotees from India to visit the Gurdwara in Kartarpur, 4.7 kilometres (2.9 miles) from the Pakistan-India border, without a visa.[1]

The Kartarpur Corridor was first proposed in early 1999 by the prime ministers of India and Pakistan, Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Nawaz Sharif, respectively, as part of the Delhi–Lahore Bus diplomacy.[2][3]

On 26 November 2018, the foundation stone was laid down on the Indian side and after two days, on 28 November 2018, the foundation stone on the Pakistani side was laid down by Prime Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan. The corridor was completed for the 550th birth anniversary of Guru Nanak Dev on 12 November 2019.[4]

See also:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delhi%E2%80%93Lahore_Bus

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The Delhi–Lahore Bus, officially known as Sada-e-Sarhad (Hindi: सदा ए सरहद, Translation: Call of the Frontier, Urdu: صدائے سرحد‎),[1] is a passenger bus service connecting the Indian capital of Delhi with the city of Lahore, Pakistan via the border transit post at Wagah. The Routemaster bus number 10 was of symbolic importance to the efforts of the governments of both nations to foster peaceful and friendly relations.[2] In its inaugural run on 19 February 1999, the bus carried the then-Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee, who was to attend a summit in Lahore and was received by his Pakistani counterpart, Nawaz Sharif at Wagah.[1][2]
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Despite suspension due to bilateral tensions, the Delhi-Lahore bus remains a symbol of desired friendship between the two nations.[3][5] Since its inception, the bus has frequently carried trade delegations, diplomats and celebrities to both nations, attracting much media coverage. In consideration of the Indian national cricket team's tour of Pakistan in 2004, the Pakistani government permitted 10,000 Indians to travel to watch the cricket matches in Lahore; many of whom travelled via the bus amidst great fanfare at the border; the gesture was reciprocated the following year when the Pakistan national cricket team toured India.

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www.politico.eu/article/council-president-michel-tells-african-leaders-a-changed-europe-wants-new-ties/

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"This changing Europe is looking at Africa with fresh eyes — with respect, optimism and confidence," Michel said, according to a transcript provided by his office.

If so, perhaps you could start by ceasing to use the Eurocentric term "Africa", a term which was never used by the local people themselves prior to the colonial era.

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"I am here today to bear witness to a metamorphosis of this continent but also that of Europe," Michel said. "Your northern neighbor is changing. I am here tonight to speak for 27 European countries. Twenty-two of them never had any colonies. A new generation of leaders is coming to power. They are not hampered by the burden of nostalgia."
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It was unclear which five EU countries Michel was referring to as former colonizers, as Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal and Spain all had colonies in Africa, as did the U.K., which left the EU at the end of last month.

This is not funny anymore.

OK, there are indeed some EU countries that did not participate in colonialism. But do these countries feel sentimentally closer to the former victims of colonialism than to the former colonial powers? In practice, do they support the former victims of colonialism seeking accountability from the former colonial powers? If so, we applaud them. But if not, and on the contrary they defend the colonial powers from being held accountable for their pasts, then they too are part of the problem.

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The issue of Europe's colonization of Africa remains a highly sensitive subject. Last year, when Michel was still the Belgian prime minister, a United Nations working group issued a report that found "endemic racism" in the country's government institutions that it traced to its colonial past. The working group issued a long series of recommendations that included urging Belgium to "issue an apology for the atrocities committed during colonization."

The Belgian government issued a response in which it acknowledged modern-day racism but disputed the direct link to colonialism, calling it "an oversimplification."

**** you.

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This on its own is good:

www.aa.com.tr/en/health/china-to-continue-assisting-iran-against-coronavirus/1766434

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China will continue to provide "as much assistance as it can" to Iran to curb the coronavirus outbreak, the country’s president said Saturday.

Xi Jinping said China offered Iran a batch of anti-epidemic supplies and sent a team of voluntary health experts to Iran, state-run Xinhua news agency reported.

On the other hand:

www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/china-sends-essential-coronavirus-supplies-italy-200313195241031.html

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A planeload of medical supplies, including masks and respirators, has arrived in Italy from China to help the European country deal with its growing coronavirus crisis.
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A team of nine Chinese medical staff arrived late on Thursday with some 30 tonnes of equipment on a flight organised by the Red Cross Society of China.

Has China forgotten so quickly about this?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_concession_of_Tientsin

In context, for China to treat a former colonial power (which additionally has only recently been watching refugees drown every day without helping) as well as it treats Iran is actually an insult to Iran.

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Good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8TJfOZV6-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmoGPXY_zxI

Bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0oxcoh9rDo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concessions_in_Tianjin#Belgian_concession_.281902.E2.80.931931.29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWcTx9ip_Qk

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Protocol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAzQrtUcBeA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concessions_in_Tianjin#Austro-Hungarian_concession_(1901%E2%80%931917)

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"I think the leader, Xi Jinping would rather get good reputation from the world for China."

My point is that, when we see China help Western countries (without attaching conditions that function to make them less Western), we should speak badly of China for doing so, thus ensuring that China fails to get good reputation for such actions.

We must often remind people that whatever quantity of help China gives to Western countries is a quantity of help that could have been (but now is not) going to other non-Western countries (which probably need it more), instead going yet again to countries that already stole so much from China (and from other non-Western countries!) during the colonial era.

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I agree. We should do the same for Iran. The current foreign minister is particularly annoying,  always seeking clout from Westerners, effectively behaving as though he is some status seeking “non white” high school teenager. This is unbecoming of any proper statesman, let alone a high level government official.

It is also no coincidence that such actions are praised by Jews.

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"So is China Western or non Western?"

Still non-Western overall for now (hence my wording "other non-Western countries" when referring to countries that China should concentrate on helping), but in danger of Westernization if it is not careful.

Unfortunately, it is comically Eurocentric:

whenonearth.net/11-fake-european-towns-landmarks-made-china/

This sickness is what we are here to cure.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2020, 03:01:42 am »
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"Could it have anything about the Qing Dynasty was a Manchurian dynasty instead of being a Han one?"

But the Italian concession was held until 1947, and the Belgian concession until 1931, whereas the Qing dynasty fell in 1911. Nor did Spain give back to post-1911 China the money it stole from the Qing dynasty.

Moreover, the Qing dynasty itself had ceased to be racist long ago:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongzheng_Emperor

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Ethnicity in Qing China could vary depending on where one was from even locally in China. This ethnic separation along with the booming population led to reduced access to the Civil Service Examinations based on ethnicity and locality. The Yongzheng emperor, in an attempt to allow for as many people to take the Civil Service Examination as possible, set up special exams for people in rural China. These special exams were called Miao exams and were located in Yunnan. In the 1730s, landholding shed people such as the Hakka were still not allowed to take the exams, Yongzheng made it legal for these people to take the exams in an attempt to dispel anger at being excluded from the exams.[13]

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My warning to China against their sending aid to former colonial powers has been vindicated now that they are accusing China of sending faulty equipment.

If you send them equipment, they can deliberately damage it off-camera and then claim it was already damaged on arrival, thus both wasting the equipment itself and giving them an easy way to frame you.

If you don't send them equipment, you both save the equipment (which you could then send to those who actually need it most ie. formerly colonized countries) and give them no opportunity to frame you.

I hope China has learned its lesson about how (not) to interact with Westerners. As if the colonial era had not been enough?

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Here is a commendable initiative: a CGTN channel in Arabic language. Why should formerly colonized peoples be limited to using the languages of our common colonizers when we talk to one another? We should also learn and use one another's languages, just like we did in ancient times before Western civilization turned up and ruined everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlGj1RdUHUM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOzVmbx_qkE

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This is how we need to talk to Westerners:

www.yahoo.com/news/iran-says-germany-face-consequences-over-hezbollah-ban-075320755.html

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Tehran (AFP) - Iran has slammed Germany's ban on the activities of Lebanon's Hezbollah movement on its soil, saying it would face consequences for its decision to give in to Israeli and US pressure.

Germany branded Hezbollah a "Shiite terrorist organisation" on Thursday, with dozens of police and special forces storming mosques and associations across the country linked to the Lebanese militant group.

In a statement issued overnight, Iran's foreign ministry said the ban ignores "realities in West Asia".

The Islamic republic said the move was based solely on the goals of the "propaganda machine of the Zionists and America's confused regime".

It "strongly" condemned the decision it said showed "complete disrespect to the government and nation of Lebanon, as Hezbollah is a formal and legitimate part of the country's government and parliament".

I especially like the reference to "America's confused regime". This implies that America has the potential to become unconfused and hence side with Hezbollah against Israel (and Western civilization more broadly).

Just one thing, stop with the Eurocentric "West Asia" label. Use either "Middle East":



or, if you want to be cool, "Seven Seas":



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More, please!

www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16003/iran-venezuela-ties

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Iran has been bypassing US sanctions amid the coronavirus crisis, and strengthening its ties with Venezuela.

Reports recently revealed that in the last week of April alone, the sanctioned Iranian airline, Mahan Air, with ties to Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), made several flights to the South American nation. Reportedly, the Iranian regime delivered "parts, technicians, and gasoline additives to fix a major refinery in Venezuela," and received nine tons of gold bars in return.
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Tehran has not only been using Venezuela for military cooperation, but also, it seems, to advance its nuclear program. Venezuela has been accused of covertly assisting Iran with the production of raw material for nuclear weapons as well as ballistic missiles. In recent years, Iran and Venezuela have also signed several military and industrial agreements.

The ruling mullahs in Iran appear have been using Venezuela as part of a larger agenda for increasing Iran's influence and the presence of its proxies in Latin and North America.

The US, in fact, has evidently become increasingly concerned about Hezbollah's presence in Venezuela. Ambassador Nathan Sales, Coordinator for Counterterrorism at the State Department, said recently:

"We're concerned that Maduro has extended safe harbor to a number of terrorist groups, the ELN [National Liberation Army] in particular, but also FARC [the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia] dissidents who rejected the peace accord, as well as supporters and sympathizers of Hezbollah."

It is worth recalling that as early as 1992, Hezbollah, under Iranian control, was reportedly behind the bombing of the Israeli embassy in Argentina. Twenty-three people were killed and nearly 250 injured. Again, in 1994, Hezbollah, under the direction of Iran, bombed the headquarters of the Asociación Mutual Israelita Argentina (AMIA). That attack killed 85 people and injured hundreds more.

In addition, Venezuela has granted more than 173 passports to radical Islamists, according to the Washington-based Center for a Secure Free Society (SFS), in a report entitled, "Canada on Guard: Assessing the Threat of Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba to Immigration Security." The passports are able to be used for travel to North America and Europe.

Iran, from perspective of its regime, can more effectively damage US national interests as well as undermine the West on the global stage by partnering with other anti-Western states. Iran's former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pointed out:

"We [non-Western governments] have to develop a proper cooperation among the developing nations in order to wriggle ourselves from the domination of the western powers. And this effort is going on among the independent developing nations today. We have to establish a collective effort with a view to create [sic] a new international independent economic system that should be on the basis of justice."

And the best possible move by the US is to see itself as a non-Western state also, and join in the anti-Western coalition! This is what we are here to promote.

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https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/05/15/625425/Iranian-fuel-en-route-to-Venezuela-despite-US-sanctions

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9TaPWyPhQ

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China is boosting medical aid to African countries fighting COVID-19. It has dispatched necessary supplies and equipment to countries such as Tanzania and Algeria. Egypt received a third batch of donations on Saturday. In Algeria, medical experts gave prevention guidance for employees at a Chinese firm in the capital Algiers. The Africa Center for Disease Control and Prevention has commended its Chinese counterpart for their efforts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mty2ebGSqk

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China and Japan have been supporting each other during the COVID-19 pandemic and that truly reflects good neighborliness, Guo Weimin, spokesperson for the third session of the 13th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), said during a video conference on Wednesday when answering a question from the Japanese media. He said Chinese President Xi Jinping will pay a state visit to Japan at an appropriate time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0WwL1mAgI

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How to tell Trump to STFU:

www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-doubles-down-on-rejection-of-trump-s-offer-to-mediate-on-standoff-with-china/story-BCm5j0Nly8mo9oimko4JEL.html

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The Indian government on Friday doubled down on its rejection of US President Donald Trump’s offer to mediate on the border standoff with China, with people familiar with developments dismissing the American leader’s contention he had discussed the face-off with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
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The clarification came hours after Trump reiterated his offer to mediate between India and China to resolve a standoff between the border troops of the two countries during a briefing at the White House early on Friday (Indian time).

The external affairs ministry had on Thursday tacitly rejected Trump’s initial offer to mediate, made through a tweet on Wednesday, by saying India is directly engaged with China to peacefully resolve the standoff.
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“Yesterday [Thursday], the external affairs ministry had made it clear that we are directly in touch with the Chinese through established mechanisms and diplomatic contacts,” the person added.

This is the second time that New Delhi has called out such a claim by Trump regarding mediation between India and another country. In July 2019, India had dismissed Trump’s remarks, at a joint news briefing along with Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan, that Modi had asked him to help resolve the Kashmir issue.

Looking ahead:

www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-05/28/c_139094747.htm

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"We should adhere to the basic judgment that China and India are each other's opportunities and pose no threat to each other. We need to see each other's development in a correct way and enhance strategic mutual trust," he said.

"We should correctly view our differences and never let the differences shadow the overall situation of bilateral cooperation," he said, adding that at the same time, the two countries should gradually seek understanding through communication and constantly resolve differences.
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Noting this year marks the 70th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and India, Sun said as two major emerging economies, China and India should strengthen practical cooperation in investment, production capacity and other fields, and expand the cake of common interests.
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Sun hoped the youth of China and India will contribute more wisdom and strength to promoting China-India friendship and the development of bilateral relations.

The Chinese envoy urged Indian youth to actively voice their support for China-India friendship, and called on all parties to make concrete efforts to implement the consensus reached by leaders of the two countries.
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Chairman of Confederation of Young Leaders (CYL) Himadrish Suwan from the Indian side hosted the webinar. More than 70 youth representatives from all over India and journalists from Indian and Chinese media were present.

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Solidarity:

www.jpost.com/middle-east/ali-khamenei-reacts-to-george-floyd-protests-tweets-black-lives-matter-629677

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Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responded to the US race protests, tweeting that "if you're dark-skinned walking in the US, you can't be sure you'll be alive in the next few minutes."

In a tweet appealing to the American Left, Khamenei spoke about the US economic issues and the killing of 46-year-old George Floyd who was choked to death by a police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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"In the US, for every $100 of white families' wealth, African-American families only [make] $5. While African Americans make up 9% of the population of Los Angeles, they comprise one third of the homeless in LA."

The Islamic Republic's leader added that "in the year 2015, unemployment rate in the US was 10.4% for blacks and 4.7% for whites. Life expectancy in the US [is] 71 years for blacks [and] 76 years for whites."
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Appealing to African-Americans, Khamenei said the "question of racism has not been solved yet in the country that claims to support freedom and human rights. A human, for his black skin, has no reassurance to in society, if indeed, a police officer can beat him to death because of his colored skin."

The ayatollah continued, saying, "How can they claim to support human rights? Despite the fact that African Americans represent only 13% of the American society, 25% of the victims of police brutality are black."

www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/05/29/626374/Iran-US-George-floyd-African-Americans-police-brutality

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The Iranian Foreign Ministry has strongly denounces rampant bloodshed of African-Americans in the United States and the country’s suppression of the protests that have followed the recent grisly murder of a black man by a white police officer in Minneapolis.

“Iran regrets the tragic murder of black Americans, denounces deadly racial profiling in the United States & urges authorities to do justice for every case,” the ministry said in a tweet on Friday.
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The Iranian Foreign Ministry said, “The protesters' voice must be heard. In doing so, suppressing the suffering Americans & press freedom must URGENTLY be stopped.”

Earlier, Ministry Spokesman Abbas Mousavi had also said that the “brutal killing” of Floyd ”in cold blood” was “a harrowing demonstration of systematic racism and white supremacism.”

He had regretted that such racism and white supremacy that has enabled Floyd’s murder were being “glorified by the current [US] administration.”

Iranian people, meanwhile, held a gathering in the northwestern holy city of Mashhad, mourning Floyd’s death and lighting up candles in his memory.

What was colonialism if not 500 years of white supremacists' knees on all our necks?

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This is what happens when there is no coordination between non-Western countries:

nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/why-did-china-and-iran-take-opposite-sides-america%E2%80%99s-protests-159406

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“We deeply regret to see the American people, who peacefully seek respect and no more violence, are suppressed indiscriminately and met with outright violence,” said Iranian foreign ministry spokesman Abbas Mousavi in an English video message released on Monday. “The world has heard your outcry.”
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But the Global Times, a newspaper run by China’s ruling Communist Party, seemed to bash the protests as it portrayed American and Chinese dissenters alike as a lawless horde.

“The Chinese government has not shown any support for the riots in the U.S. I hope that Americans notice Beijing’s restraint,” said Global Times editor-in-chief Hu Xijin in a video message. “Burning police stations, blocking roads, smashing shops, and destroying public facilities in Minneapolis and other places are exactly the same violence in the Hong Kong demonstrations.”

WTF? Well, here is the answer:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/mr-president-dont-go-hide-china-goads-us-over-george-floyd-protests

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Zhao also retweeted numerous comments and reports on the protests, including from Russia’s deputy representative to the UN, accusing the US of double standards. “Why US denies China’s right to restore peace and order in HK while brutally dispersing crowds at home?” said Dmitry Polyanskiy.

China needs to follow Iran, not Russia (one of its colonizers FFS!). Or else it will keep walking into one propaganda embarassment after another.

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Japan shows some spine:

www.yahoo.com/news/japan-declines-join-u-others-095846083.html

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TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan has decided not join the United States, Britain and others in issuing a statement scolding China for imposing a new security law, Kyodo news agency reported on Sunday, citing officials from countries involved.

The United Kingdom, the U.S., Australia and Canada condemned China on May 28 for imposing a law that they said would threaten freedom and breach a 1984 Sino-British agreement on the autonomy of the former colony.

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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2020, 03:26:41 am »
OLD CONTENT contd.

All part of the Duginist plan:

www.fort-russ.com/2020/06/major-india-to-make-an-emergency-purchase-of-33-russian-fighter-jets-to-counter-china/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2brKxT0gUU

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"I have seen comments on India vs China videos from Russians who say they are in “solidarity” with India."

And you can be quite sure that there is no shortage of Indian Eurocentrists who are flattered by the solidarity. Ugh.....

Our propaganda approach should emphasize the pre-colonial-era peaceful and friendly relations between India and China (you know, back when Russia didn't even exist yet):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–India_relations#Early_history

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The first records of contact between China and India were written during the 2nd century BCE. Buddhism was transmitted from India to China in the 1st century CE.[30] Trade relations via the Silk Road acted as economic contact between the two regions.

China and India have also had some contact before the transmission of Buddhism. References to a people called the Chinas, are found in ancient Indian literature. The Indian epic Mahabharata (c. 5th century BCE) contains references to "China", which may have been referring to the Qin state which later became the Qin dynasty.
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In the Records of the Grand Historian, Zhang Qian (d. 113 BCE) and Sima Qian (145–90 BCE) make references to "Shendu", which may have been referring to the Indus Valley (the Sindh province in modern Pakistan), originally known as "Sindhu" in Sanskrit. When Yunnan was annexed by the Han dynasty in the 1st century, Chinese authorities reported an Indian "Shendu" community living there.[31]
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From the 1st century onwards, many Indian scholars and monks travelled to China, such as Batuo (fl. 464–495 CE)—first abbot of the Shaolin Monastery—and Bodhidharma—founder of Chan/Zen Buddhism—while many Chinese scholars and monks also travelled to India, such as Xuanzang (b. 604) and I Ching (635–713), both of whom were students at Nalanda University in Bihar. Xuanzang wrote the Great Tang Records on the Western Regions, an account of his journey to India, which later inspired Wu Cheng'en's Ming dynasty novel Journey to the West, one of the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese literature.
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Tamil dynasties[edit]
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The Cholas maintained good relationship with the Chinese. Arrays of ancient Chinese coins have been found in the Cholas homeland (i.e. Thanjavur, Tiruvarur and Pudukkottai districts of Tamil Nadu, India).[32]

Under Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola, the Cholas had strong trading links with Chinese Song dynasty.[33][34][35] The Chola navy conquered the Sri Vijaya Empire of Indonesia and Malaysia and secured a sea trading route to China.[33]

Many sources describe Bodhidharma, the founder of the Zen school of Buddhism in China, as a prince of the Pallava dynasty.[36]

Tang and Harsha dynasties[edit]
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During the 8th century, the astronomical table of sines by the Indian astronomer and mathematician, Aryabhatta (476–550), were translated into the Chinese astronomical and mathematical book of the Treatise on Astrology of the Kaiyuan Era (Kaiyuan Zhanjing), compiled in 718 CE during the Tang Dynasty.[37] The Kaiyuan Zhanjing was compiled by Gautama Siddha, an astronomer and astrologer born in Chang'an, and whose family was originally from India. He was also notable for his translation of the Navagraha calendar into Chinese.

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In this context, there should be no difficulty in deriding Western attempts to set the two countries against each other, especially in light of the Western history of colonizing both countries (plus many others in the region!).

www.picfa.in/

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Correlations there are indeed:

“Support democracy movements”
This from a self proclaimed Indian “nationalist”

WTF? India should try to emulate China’s non-democratic style of governance! After all, is India not a non-Western country? At least the current PM is willing to collaborate diplomatically with fellow non-Western nations...

Here’s another gold one:

>Quotes Winston **** Churchill of all people
>Expects to be taken seriously

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us.yahoo.com/news/trump-superfan-burns-posters-chinese-110000817.html

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A man burns posters of the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, in southern India to boycott China-made products after 20 soldiers were martyred in a violent face-off with Chinese troops in Ladakh's Galway valley on June 15, 2020. The video was filmed in Jangaon, Telangana on June 19, 2020. The video shows the man identified as Bussa Krishna and is burning the posters of the Chinese leader. Further in the video, he can be seen stomping on the poster while thrashing it with his shoes. He is allegedly known as the 'Trump Super Fan.' He previously erected a life-size statue of Donald Trump when he visited India.

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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2020, 03:29:06 am »
China has found the correct narrative for de-escalating tensions with India:

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The China-India border line was created by the UK, leaving many problems for both countries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjPBIDeLJA

Just brilliant.

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2020, 02:33:10 am »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/lebanon-looks-china-us-arabs-060358312.html

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In recent months, the Lebanese pound has lost around 80% of its value against the dollar, prices have soared uncontrollably, and much of its middle class has been plunged into poverty. Talks with the International Monetary Fund for a bailout have faltered, and international donors have refused to unlock $11 billion pledged in 2018, pending major economic reforms and anti-corruption measures.

Left with few choices, Prime Minister Hassan Diab’s government — supported by the Iran-backed Hezbollah and its allies — is seeking help from China, an approach that the Shiite militant group strongly supports.

I strongly support this approach also.

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He said China has offered to help end Lebanon’s decades-long electrical power crisis through its state companies, an offer the government is considering.

In addition, Beijing has offered to build power stations, a tunnel that cuts through the mountains to shorten the trip between Beirut and the eastern Bekaa Valley, and a railway along Lebanon’s coast, according to the official and an economist.

The U.S., which has historic relations with Lebanon and is a strong backer of its army, said such a move could come at the expense of Beirut’s relations with Washington.

My advice would be to totally ignore the Trump administration and hope that things can be patched up later under a Biden administration.

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Hezbollah has advocated for a bigger role for China and other allies in Lebanon. The group had opposed an IMF program to get Lebanon out of its crisis, fearing it would come with political conditions. But it begrudgingly accepted that Lebanon engage in the negotiations as long as the IMF didn't dictate policy.

Seventeen rounds of talks between the government and the IMF since mid-May have failed to make any progress.
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Moukalled, who visited China several times in 2018 and 2019, said the projects that China has offered to work on are worth $12.5 billion.

The investments can be mutually beneficial. China can gain from close relations with Lebanon, with the country serving as a launch pad for the reconstruction of neighboring Syria, another Beijing ally.

Yes!



This is also a good way to encourage China to eventually cease to recognize Israel.

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Russian Ambassador Alexander Zasypkin told the daily al-Joumhouria that Russia, China, Syria, Iran and Iraq can help Lebanon. He added that when the West refused, “the alternative to look east became more persistent.”

Russia needs to STFU. It does not speak for China, Syria, Iran and Iraq, and to act as though it does is extremely rude. It is itself a Western country, a former colonial power which has yet to return many of the lands it has stolen. One day we need to cut Moscow from the Belt & Road:



and then choke out Russia with it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2020, 09:15:06 am »
"former colonial power"
Could we say that Russia practiced non-imperial colonialism? I see many False Leftists (and Duginists) defend Russia's actions from an "anti-imperialist" point of view.

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2020, 03:02:25 pm »
"Could we say that Russia practiced non-imperial colonialism?"

No:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/alaska/

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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2020, 03:15:04 pm »
"No"
Which begs the question, is there even such a thing as "non-imperial colonialism"?

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2020, 10:46:02 pm »
China & Iran reach historic deal, US freaks out
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China and Iran have agreed to a broad-ranging 25-year economic and military deal with worldwide implications and in defiance of US geopolitical interests. RT’s Paula Slier shares the details. Then Amb. Majid Takht Ravanchi, Iranian ambassador to the UN, joins Rick Sanchez for an exclusive interview to share his insights on the deal. He also weighs in on Iran’s fraught relationship with the US and Israel, Tehran’s role in the region, and other pressing issues facing his country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBH1T4F94rU

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2020, 09:17:01 am »
The Point: Why are media outlets making China-Iran cooperation sound so scary?
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In this week's Headline Buster, we'll look at recent media reports on China-Iran cooperation, as news of a potential 25-year pact between the two countries emerges. Although neither side has confirmed the pact, some media outlets have jumped on the news, focusing more on perceived threats than pragmatism. Some articles argue a deal would be more about defying the U.S. than mutually benefiting the two countries. Others suggest Iran is being pushed into China's arms, against its will. Why are media portraying this long-term partnership as a new menace?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlSBhaKEONU

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2020, 11:39:06 pm »
I do not mind this at all:

https://theconversation.com/how-china-lost-central-and-eastern-europe-142416

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Central and eastern European countries used to be buoyant about benefiting from China’s economic largesse, but now – like the EU itself – many view Beijing as a threat. It’s unlikely that a Chinese government that is increasingly preoccupied with its own regime stability will be able to make up, let alone repair, the damage done by the multiple opportunities missed over the past eight years.

China needs to learn a lesson - the hard way if necessary - about who are, and (arguably more importantly) who are not, its allies. Reliable alliances cannot be built on economic incentives alone. Only our shared history as fellow victims of colonialism can unify us in a pact of true devotion, based on common hostility towards Western civilization. Turandom, however, is now the centre of that very Western civilization we are fundamentally hostile towards, therefore it is naive to believe alliance with Turandom is possible.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2020, 12:18:02 am »
Signs of spine?

https://tfipost.com/2020/07/this-is-our-land-china-now-claims-russias-vladivostok-as-part-of-its-territory

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Chinese internet users, including diplomats and officials, claim that Vladivostok used to be a part of China. They claim it was Qing’s Manchurian homeland but was annexed by the Russian empire in 1860 after China was defeated by the British and the French during the Second Opium war.

Shen Shiweim, a journalist at the Chinese State-run broadcaster, China Global Television Network (CGTN) tweeted, “This “tweet” of #Russian embassy to #China isn’t so welcome on Weibo. The history of Vladivostok (literally ‘Ruler of the East’) is from 1860 when Russia built a military harbor. But the city was Haishenwai as Chinese land, before Russia annexed it via unequal Treaty of Beijing.”
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China’s claims over Russia’s Vladivostok are not limited to the state-owned media. Even Chinese diplomats have jumped in. Zhang Heqing, a wolf-warrior from China currently stationed at the country’s Mission in Pakistan said, “Isn’t this what in the past was our Haishenwai?”

Meanwhile, the CCP IT cell too has gone berserk. A Weibo user wrote, “Today we can only endure, but the Chinese people will remember, and one generation after another will continue to remember!” SCMP quotes another user as saying, “We must believe that this ancestral land will return home in the future!”

Background:

https://www.russia-briefing.com/news/dangers-building-ultra-patriotism-chinese-claim-vladivostok-haishenwai.html/

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Having been battered by British and French during this war, China learned of Russia’s strategic build-up of military presence on its shared northern border. Russia was only willing to withdraw troops if China were to cede territory along this border.

Facing potential attacks by Russia from the north and the onslaught of British and French forces on the south, the Qing dynasty was compelled to comply with Russia demands to stave off invasion on at least one front. This led to the signing of the Treaty of Aigun in 1858, that formed much of the present day borders between Russia and China, along the Amur River. The Chinese have historically called this treaty an “unequal treaty”, one in a series of treaties signed between the Qing dynasty and neighbouring states in the region.

Russian diplomat Count Nikolay Pavlovich Ignatyev had witnessed the havoc and plunder that the British and French had unleashed upon Beijing, including engaging in loot and plunder and the burning down of the Old Summer Palace, specifically ordered by Britain’s Lord Elgin. Elgin, having set his eyes on the loot and destruction of the Forbidden City next, urged the Chinese to sit at the negotiating table with Ignatyev as the mediator in what came to be known as the Convention of Peking between China, Russia, Britain and France.

As a result of this convention, in October 1860, the British acquired the Kowloon Peninsula and control over Hong Kong. Among other agreements, opium was made legal, a move that economically benefited France and Britain. From China’s perspective, these agreements were exploitative and sharply skewed in favour of the two western nations.

Knowing how desperately China was trying to protect its capital, Ignatyev pushed for the Qing rulers to accept the terms of the agreements, and also threw in what the Chinese call “Outer Manchuria” for Russia, an area significantly larger than what it had originally desired. One part of this territory is now called the Primorsky Krai. According to Lukin, the Russian government had already established a military outpost in the region even before signing a formal treaty of cessation with the Qing dynasty.

This area of the Primorsky Krai, along with the Golden Horn Bay, with its administrative capital as Vladivostok, became an important sea port for Russia and allowed the country to expand economic and military influence in this part of the Pacific. It is also known as the Russian Maritime Province. Today, Vladivostok is the base for the Russian Pacific Fleet.





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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2020, 11:32:10 pm »
https://barenakedislam.com/2020/10/04/turkish-dictator-recep-tayyip-erdogan-threatens-to-re-conquer-our-illegally-conquered-city-of-jerusalem/



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“In this city that we were force out of during the First World War, it is still possible to come across traces of the Ottoman resistance. So Jerusalem is our city, a city from us,” he told Turkish lawmakers during a major policy speech in Ankara. “Our first qibla [direction of prayer in Islam] al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem are the symbolic mosques of our faith.

Erdogan is absolutely correct:


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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2020, 11:56:09 pm »
Erdogan demonstrates the correct way to speak to leaders of former Western colonial powers:

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ISTANBUL/PARIS (Reuters) - France recalled its ambassador on Saturday after Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said his counterpart Emmanuel Macron needed mental help over his attitude towards Muslims.
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The French leader this month declared war on "Islamist separatism", which he believes is taking over some Muslim communities in France.

France has since been shaken by the beheading of a teacher by an Islamist radical, avenging the use of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression.

"What is the problem of this person called Macron with Muslims and Islam? Macron needs treatment on a mental level," Erdogan said in a speech in the central Turkish city of Kayseri.

"What else can be said to a head of state who does not understand freedom of belief and who behaves in this way to millions of people living in his country who are members of a different faith?" Erdogan added.


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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2020, 01:36:13 pm »
Erdogan criticises Macron and far-right Dutch politician
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Turkish President Erdogan says Macron is “bewildered” and warns far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders of his “fascist” stance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcpoTcgMszs

Ottoman military music surprise from Pakistan Navy
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Turkish Defence Minister Hulusi Akar was greeted with Ottoman military music during his visit to the training facilities of the Pakistan Navy in Karachi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgAE2oicNBY