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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #135 on: October 04, 2022, 12:40:38 am »
The main problem is that Xi wants to do win-win with everyone, including Western countries (even those which colonized China in the past!). What I am hoping for is when Xi eventually retires or dies, his successor will be ideologically anti-Western, and hence do win-win with everyone except Western countries. (Hopefully by then the US will have been sufficiently de-Westernized that China can continue doing win-win with the US.)

While we are waiting, ASEAN should still cooperate with China, and if possible during this cooperation try to push China in the direction described above. ASEAN should express consistent displeasure whenever China tries to do win-win with Western countries (I do not mean the US), thus sending China the message that they cannot just keep doing win-win with everyone indefinitely, but must eventually choose which side they are on.

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #136 on: October 25, 2022, 12:51:58 pm »
One thing is for certain, Japan would most likely be willing to help China in these aims at this point....

Not Taiwan, Xi Jinping’s China May Move To Grab Eastern Russia From A Weak Putin
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While much of the world’s attention remains on Ukraine, China’s Xi Jinping cemented his position in Beijing for a third term. The end of 20th National Congress of Chinese Communist Party saw Xi emerge as the strongest leader since Mao Zedong. In the runup to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, China and Russia declared a friendship “without limits”. However, the two countries have fought despite signing friendship treaties in the past. There has been speculation that the presence of ethnic Chinese Russians in the Far East could encourage Beijing to press north.
#China #Russia #Ukraine #RussianFarEast #Vladivostok #Putin #XiJinping #WorldNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANZPQ9fhRXM

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #137 on: October 25, 2022, 02:00:27 pm »
This of course would be the strategically sensible as well as morally satisfying move, and the one which we have been suggesting for some time now:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/diplomatic-decolonization/msg1207/?topicseen#msg1207

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg12099/#msg12099

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg15051/#msg15051

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/war/msg15414/#msg15414

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg10059/#msg10059

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg11611/#msg11611

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/msg12241/#msg12241

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg15706/#msg15706

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg15792/#msg15792

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg15932/#msg15932

It is pleasing to me that so many more people now see this (comments from your video):

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China should take this opportunity to back Outer Manchuria with a weaken Russia, thanks to Putin.  Tsar Russia, took Outer Manchuria and Tuva from a weaken then Qing Dynasty (Treaty of Aigun 1853), if Xi can pull this off he will be for certain a National Hero, there is no gain by attacking ones own in Taiwan. Vladivostok is Hǎishēnwǎi (海參崴) prior to Russian occupation.

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looking forward to that move by China

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Yes, Haishenwai, the world recognizes you! Vladivostok no more!

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Russia tries to take Ukraine.  Russia fails and losses its own territory.  Ironical and karma combined. The rest of the world will ignore this as it happens to Russia.

But is Xi sensible, let alone moral? Does Xi's mind work anything like ours? I fear that Xi's Eurocentrism is preventing him from seeing what to us may be obvious.

"One thing is for certain, Japan would most likely be willing to help China in these aims at this point...."

I am not certain about this either. Again, it is the move that makes by far the most sense, as another comment from your video acknowledges:

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China's greatest ally in this would be Japan. If they were to promise the return of islands taken from Japan at the end of WW2, then Japan would like as not support the Chinese expansion North into Russia.

but Eurocentrists do not care about making sense, and the LDP is the party of Eurocentrism:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/japan-to-export-jets-missiles-to-12-nations-bid-to-counter-belligerent-china-in-/msg13698/#msg13698

What we need is a leftist victory in Japan:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/japan-to-export-jets-missiles-to-12-nations-bid-to-counter-belligerent-china-in-/msg14467/#msg14467

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #138 on: November 25, 2022, 10:32:06 pm »
What I like to see:

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/india-abstains-from-anti-iran-un-vote-454698

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India joined other major emerging countries in abstaining from a West-led resolution at the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) to investigate the crackdown on protesters in Iran.
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India joined Indonesia, Brazil, Malaysia, Nigeria, the UAE and Kazakhstan in abstaining from the resolution at the UNHRC
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Iran backed India during the height of insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir in 1994 by opposing an OIC-sponsored resolution at the UNHRC in the 90s.
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China, Pakistan, Armenia, Eritrea, Cuba and Venezuela sided completely with Iran by voting against the resolution.

Thank you!
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #139 on: December 18, 2022, 06:20:09 pm »
Why is Africa turning away from the United States? | The Bottom Line
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Officials in the United States look upon Africans as people “in need of help” or people who “need to be told what to do”, and this is destroying relations between Africa and Washington, according to the former African Union representative to the US, Arikana Chihombori-Quao.

“The US needs to call a timeout and treat Africans with respect,” Chihombori told host Steve Clemons, adding that the US-Africa Leaders Summit hosted by the White House this week “will fail unless Americans see Africans as equals".

Chihombori-Quao argues that pan-African unity is the only path for the continent to be less dependent on outside powers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLxnIqi4Uc
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #140 on: January 03, 2023, 09:17:06 pm »
If only this were true:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-gradually-being-overtaken-neighboring-124400809.html

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According to Danilov, Russia may have new “owners” in the future. However, he refused to specify whether the country he was referring to was China.

But Eurocentrist Xi refuses to do what is strategically sensible as well as morally satisfying, and instead does what is Eurocentrist:

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Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi confirmed that Beijing would “deepen strategic mutual trust and mutually beneficial cooperation” with Russia.

The comments show that literally everyone else by now can see the correct move. The commenters' common mistake, however, is to assume that Eurocentrist Xi can see it too, when in fact he truly cannot because his Eurocentrism is blinding him:

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If Russia were to somehow fall apart, Xi and the CCP would definitely try to acquire landmass for the sake of resources it needs.

That's what Xi should do. But he will not do it.

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well yeah... china is absolutely going to take over eastern russia at the very least. russia is obviously going to be powerless to stop them without a nuclear exchange.

That's what China should do, which is not to be confused for what it will actually do under Xi.

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Gaining political control over Russia is a smart goal for China given it's natural resources and Putin is making it possible.

Yes, it is a smart goal for China. But Xi is not smart.

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Russia lost its best client, the EU, and now it will have to fight so that China does not take advantage of the situation and conquer Russia.

Except Russia will not need to fight, precisely because Xi is too Eurocentrist to take advantage of the situation and conquer Russia.

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The world already knows that China has Russia in its hand. They could literally walk across the border and take Russia by sheer numbers and there wouldn't be squat Putin could do to stop them.

Yes, but they won't walk across the border so long as Xi is deciding things.

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Historically, there are large parts of Russia that once belonged to China and given that Putin has already stated that that's one of the reasons he's invaded Ukraine, the Chinese would be entitled to use the same excuse.

Yes, but Xi is not the type of person who will bring this up.

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China has 1.4 billion people, and Russia only has 164 million people.  Siberia has only 43 million people, and Russia showed China how they can take Siberia without firing a shot.  China is keeping Russia afloat and out of bankruptcy, so China could turn on Russia and take Siberia at any time.

It could, but it won't with Xi in charge.

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I have been saying this since the start of the war.  When China invades Siberia, the world will not come to Russia's aid

So have I! But Xi will not make the move in the first place.

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China should stop worrying about Taiwan and the South Sea.

China could invade and annex The Far Eastern Federal District.  The area has less than 9 million people.   It is too isolated from Moscow to defend.

China would not have to worry about the United States Navy.

This is what I have been saying! But Xi lacks the will to do it.

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China, Siberia is yours. Rightfully yours. How dare Russia take it from you. Forget that Russians live there.In fact, if you secretly send some men into Siberia, and then they are attacked and persecuted, you can rightfully go into Siberia with the purpose of protecting the Chinese-speaking people.

Exactly! But Xi lacks the will to do anything like that.

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Look back in history, before 1860 Vladivostok (Chinese name Haishenwai/ ( 永明城; Yǒngmíngchéng ) belonged to China.

Yes, but Xi doesn't care!

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The russian had annexed a lot of land from the Qing dynasty under questionable means, the whole Siberia niryh Manchuria and lands in central asia........

Yes, but Xi doesn't care!

Etc. etc.

I sincerely wish I turn out to be wrong about this and the China optimists turn out to be correct. But.....
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #141 on: January 03, 2023, 11:13:12 pm »
@90sRetroFan I suspect that the friendship between China and Russia has made the Chinese government way too soft to seriously consider reclaiming territory from Russia. These are the kinds of images that are gaining traction on Chinese social media:



From what I can gather, pro-CCP people legitimately believe that Russia is part of the anti-western axis, despite the fact that people like Putin openly cozy up with politicians like Viktor Orban, Matteo Salvini, and Marine Le Pen. The way they portray Russia in a heroic light is just bizarre, because it's clearly not going to be the leftist haven that pro-CCP individuals want China to be. I would understand if they simply saw Russia as the lesser of two evils and therefore saw Russia as a much better ally than the US in its current state, but the way these sorts of people talk about and portray Russia in their propaganda seems to hint at much more than that. Maybe I'm wrong though, and the relationship really is just a begrudging one out of the pro-CCP crowd's (justified) hatred for the West. If there's anyone viewing this that happens to be from China or support China's current ambitions or worldview, you're free to elaborate on the pro-CCP non-Aryanist position on Russia
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #142 on: January 04, 2023, 12:36:19 am »
"pro-CCP people legitimately believe that Russia is part of the anti-western axis, despite the fact that people like Putin openly cozy up with politicians like Viktor Orban, Matteo Salvini, and Marine Le Pen."

They use the term "Western" to mean Counterculture. Putin, Orban, Salvini and Le Pen are all anti-Counterculture. It is that simple.

"The way they portray Russia in a heroic light is just bizarre, because it's clearly not going to be the leftist haven that pro-CCP individuals want China to be."

They don't want China to be leftist - that's the point! Remember this piece of ****?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg16164/#msg16164

"the way these sorts of people talk about and portray Russia in their propaganda seems to hint at much more than that. Maybe I'm wrong"

You are not wrong. They see Russia as the defenders of actual Western civilization (which they call "civilization") against the US which they believe represents Counterculture values (which they call "Western"). They, in their terminology, consider "New China" to be in need of "civilization", which means rejecting "Western" influences. What they are actually doing, in our terminology, is Westernizing by rejecting Counterculture influences.

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #143 on: January 04, 2023, 01:00:40 am »
Pretty much all of the pro-CCP individuals I've met online have expressed distaste for Israel and denounced "American" racism (so they at least have the correct position on tribalism, even if they have a warped position on America itself), so I'd classify such people as more false left than right wing. I'm not surprised that there are people within the CCP like the man that you linked in your comment who are obviously crypto-rightists, but I feel like ambivalence and even support towards Russia is more common in false left circles than you would expect. Black Hammer, a small group that we've mentioned positively on both the forums and on the blog, go even further than pro-CCP Marxists by not just seeing Russia as an ally, but explicitly supporting Russia's ambitions including its takeover of Ukraine. Black Hammer members aren't even the only people I've seen online who are like that. It's kind of a running theme within fringe communist circles. I have no doubt that there are communists who hate the ones currently licking Russia's boot, but for some odd reason, fetishization of Russia isn't just a thing in rightist circles.

TLDR: I disagree that these types would claim to like Viktor Orban, Matteo Salvini, and Marine Le Pen. That's not my impression at all from lurking in pro-CCP circles like r/Sino and r/NewsWithJingjing
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #144 on: January 04, 2023, 01:19:31 am »
Yes. You are correct that this is mostly a False Left attitude. I would go so far as to say that the individual mentioned in the post is also a False Leftist, as he is a machinist, and we know "non-White" False Leftists are machinists.

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #145 on: January 04, 2023, 01:22:27 am »
An addendum: I do agree with 90sRetroFan though, that a significant chunk of these pro-CCP false leftists will shift over to straight up rightism within the next few decades BECAUSE of, as is referenced in your link, what Wang Huning calls the Black Challenge. These false leftists, who usually go so far as to claim to be radical leftists, praise China for its innovation and the economic prosperity that they believe it is just starting to enjoy because of the CCP's actions. They believe that in these respects, it will continue to surpass the US. If they want to keep this view on China while being intellectually honest, they will have to end up dropping their anti-racist stance. As time passes, it'll become harder and harder for a lot of them to believe that non-westerners, and in particular other non-whites, are as capable of managing the kind of civilization they desire (a western one, even if they refuse to call it that). Most of these people are BLM supporters for now, but there will very likely be a Wang Huning-style divergence where a lot of them give up on "black" Americans and "black" people as a whole, leaving them to the wolves
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2023, 03:30:32 am »
"Black Hammer, a small group that we've mentioned positively on both the forums and on the blog, go even further than pro-CCP Marxists by not just seeing Russia as an ally, but explicitly supporting Russia's ambitions including its takeover of Ukraine."

My earlier critique of Black Hammer can be found here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/black-hammer/msg6628/#msg6628

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/black-hammer/msg6656/#msg6656

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This is their worldview:

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    The colonizers have already lost the war of ideas—Russia, Iran, China, and Colonized Nations all grow more united by the day. The influence of amerikkkan empire is slipping and its pathetic attempts to use the media as a mouthpiece to soften our revolutionary fire is doomed to fail.

Are they unaware that Russia was a Western colonial power (not to mention the one which has given back less of its stolen land than any other Western colonial power following WWII)?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/

America, on the other hand, can easily be reinterpreted as a victim of colonialism, which is already occurring as we speak, with Columbus Day being discarded in favour of Indigenous People's Day, etc.. America's true geopolitical destiny is to sincerely replace Russia's current insincere position as the ally of China and Iran. This is what Black Hammer as a US-based group should be working towards, not tearing down America out of petty spite (as Dugin wants to see happen).

Also recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/black-hammer/msg6691/#msg6691

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« Reply #147 on: January 04, 2023, 05:43:43 am »
Yeah, I remember this conversation. I just mentioned Black Hammer because it’s almost a perfect example of the kinds of people I was referring to in my earlier comments. They definitely do not like the figureheads that Putin associates with, but needlessly tie themselves in knots to justify Duginist kowtowing anyways

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« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2023, 09:25:04 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-cuts-deal-taliban-extract-151204470.html

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The Taliban is cutting its first major energy extractions agreement since taking control of Afghanistan in 2021, agreeing to a 25-year pact with a Chinese company to drill for oil in the country's Amu Darya basin.

"The Amu Darya oil contract is an important project between China and Afghanistan," Wang Yu, the Chinese ambassador to Afghanistan, said at a press conference in Kabul, according to a BBC report last week.

Congratulations! Let's rebuild the ancient friendship!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93China_relations#History_(Han_to_Qing)

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In antiquity, the region that is now Afghanistan was known for its devotion to Buddhism, which had been founded in India in the 5th century BC. Chinese records from the Han dynasty refer to Kabul as "Kao-fu", which is described as a wealthy cite located in the Hindu Kush mountains on a strategic location on the trade routes linking Central Asia to India.[5] A Buddhist monk from what is now Afghanistan arrived in China in 2 BC and converted the first Chinese to Buddhism.[5] Afghanistan was often visited by Chinese Buddhist pilgrims on their way to India in antiquity, and Buddhist sites such as Balkh and the Buddhas of Bamyan attracted many Chinese visitors.[5] Chinese records credit craftsmen from Afghanistan with producing the first glass in China between 424 and 428 AD, through archaeological evidence suggests that glass was being produced earlier in China.[5]
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Religions such as Nestorian Christianity first reached China in the Tang dynasty via Afghanistan, to be followed later by Islam.[6]

The Church of the East Christians like the Bactrian Priest Yisi of Balkh helped the Tang dynasty general Guo Ziyi militarily crush the Sogdian-Turk led An Lushan rebellion, with Yisi personally acting as a military commander and Yisi and the Church of the East were rewarded by the Tang dynasty with titles and positions as described in the Xi'an Stele.[12][13][14][15][16]

Alliance between the ancient civilizations always comes back to anti-Turanism!

For those who don't know:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion

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An Lushan was a general of uncertain birth origins, but thought to have been adopted by a Sogdian father and Göktürk mother of the Ashina tribe.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_tribe

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According to some researchers (Duan, Xue, Tang, and Lung) the Ashina tribe were descended from the Tiele confederation,[19][20][21][22][23] who were likewise associated with the Xiongnu.[24][25]
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According to the Book of Zhou and History of the Northern Dynasties, the Ashina clan was related to the "Yenisei Kyrgyz",[68][69][d][e] who resided near the Pamir mountains and are described as possessing red hair and blue eyes in the New Book of Tang (Xin Tangshu 217b.6147), a description previously used to describe the Wusun.[28] However according to Lee & Kuang (2017), the Göktürks differed from the Qirghiz in their physiognomy and "no comparable depiction of the Kök Türks or Tiele is found in the official Chinese histories."[74] Lee & Kuang state that the most likely explanation for the West Eurasian physiognomy of the Yenisei Kirghiz is a high frequency of the Eurasian Indo-European haplogroup R1a-Z93.[75]

Muqan Qaghan, the third Qaghan of the First Turkic Khaganate, was described by Chinese authors as having an unusual appearance. He had eyes like "colored glazes",[76][77] he had a red complexion, and his face was wide.[78][79]
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Far-right leader burns a copy of Quran outside Turkish embassy
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Türkiye has cancelled the Swedish Defence Minister's upcoming visit to Ankara following Swedish authorities giving permission for  a far-right political leader to burn a copy of the Quran, Islam's holy book, in front of the Turkish Embassy in Stockholm on Saturday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BbPu5nehzY

Turkiye cancels Swedish defence minister’s visit over protest permit | Latest World News | WION
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Turkiye recently called off a visit by Sweden's defence minister over a planned demonstration by a right-wing extremist in Stockholm. Watch video to know more.

#turkiye #sweden #boycott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz_YY_G681g