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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2021, 10:12:54 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/meet-africa-newest-friend-turkey-141049365.html

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Perhaps the pertinent question is how Turkey might smooth-talk African countries at a time when other investors face pushback. In the Sahel region, where hundreds of French companies run everything from mobile networks to mines, and which hosts some 5,000 French troops, there have been protests calling for France to withdraw. Citizens complain that their sovereignty has been undermined and their mineral resources exploited by the former colonial power.
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Turkey has designated relations with Africa as a core pillar of its foreign policy, and opened 30 new embassies between 2002 and 2019, while Turkish Airlines is a major carrier on Africa-Europe routes. In 2008, the African Union designated Turkey as a strategic partner.
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Perhaps the most important reason for Africa’s romance with Turkey, analysts say, is that the country doesn’t carry the baggage of ex-colonial powers like France. Another is religion: Almost all of the countries Turkey has wooed have significant Muslim populations that are more receptive to a partnership with an Islamic power.

Turkey’s relationship with Africa is not saddled with “a complex or paternalistic spirit that most often characterizes the partnership between African countries and Western or American countries,” says Mr. Abdou.

Keep up the good work! (And America should also be trying to learn how to relate to other former colonized countries in an anti-Western way, namely as a fellow formerly colonized country itself.)

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #76 on: September 01, 2021, 01:35:45 pm »
China Says It's Ready to Work With Taliban
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WASHINGTON - With the U.S. military drawdown in Afghanistan, China says it is ready to move ahead in its relations with the Taliban, but foreign policy experts say Beijing remains apprehensive about what comes next and may not devote a vast security and economic commitment to Afghanistan in the near future.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke Monday with Chinese State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi about developments in Afghanistan. The State Department said the two discussed the security situation and the two countries’ respective efforts to bring their citizens to safety.

“China keeps in contact and communication with the Afghan Taliban on the basis of fully respecting Afghanistan’s sovereignty and the will of all parties in the country and has been playing a constructive role in seeking a political solution to the Afghan issue,” Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ spokeswoman Hua Chunying said Monday during a briefing.

Hua’s remarks were seen as the latest indication that China is laying the groundwork to endorse the Taliban as Afghanistan’s legitimate government.
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/china-says-its-ready-work-taliban

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2021, 11:58:28 pm »
Good move!

https://sputniknews.com/20210907/taliban-ready-to-have-relations-with-us-welcomes-participation-in-afghan-reconstruction-1088847179.html

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Taliban Ready to Have Relations With US, Welcomes Participation in Afghan Reconstruction
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"Yes, of course, in a new chapter if America wants to have a relation with us, which could be in the interest of both countries and both peoples, and if they want to participate in the reconstruction of Afghanistan, they are welcome", Shaheen said.

The ball is now solely in the US' court. Is the US prepared to be American instead of Western and hence go back to being a Taliban ally just like in the good old days?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg6761/#msg6761

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg7334/#msg7334

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/afghanistan/msg7390/#msg7390

In fact, it could be even better than the old days. The Taliban hints at how:

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"Of course, we won't have any relation with Israel. We want to have relations with other countries, Israel is not among these countries … We would like to have relations with all the regional countries and neighbouring countries as well as Asian countries", Shaheen added.

If the US really wants to make amends, there could be no better first gesture of sincerity than to end its own recognition of Israel.

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2021, 11:34:59 am »
If I were a country I would also like relations with almost every other country in the world EXCEPT FOR ISRAEL!!! The fact that this sentiment is shared by so many across the globe speaks volumes about Israel. The fact that many rightists are still willing to defend Israel in the face of these facts speaks volumes about rightists!!!

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #79 on: September 13, 2021, 02:20:19 am »
https://news.yahoo.com/china-pakistan-offer-aid-taliban-225107114.html

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As Western nations debate how best to provide humanitarian aid to Afghanistan without enriching the Taliban, China and Pakistan have already sent planeloads of supplies to the country and are willing to send more, Reuters reports.
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    “China is our most important partner and represents a fundamental and extraordinary opportunity for us,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said recently, according to NBC News. “It is ready to invest and rebuild our country.”

It is possible that Afghanistan will join the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

    "The new administration in Kabul would also be receptive to this and they are keen on it," Mushahid Hussain Sayed, a Pakistani senator and former chairman of the China-Pakistan Institute, told Reuters.

    China's Belt and Road initiative also offers a pathway to "economic viability," Reuters noted.

Also:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-fm-wang-visiting-cambodia-053946804.html

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PHNOM PENH, Cambodia (AP) — Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen said Sunday that China has agreed to provide the Southeast Asian nation with grant aid of 1.75 billion yuan ($272 million), announcing the assistance during a visit by Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi.
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Washington’s relations with Hun Sen’s government are frosty, as Beijing’s support allows Cambodia to disregard Western concerns about its poor record in human and political rights, and in turn Cambodia generally supports Beijing’s geopolitical positions on issues such as its territorial claims in the South China Sea.

All the US needs to do to immediately improve its relations with Cambodia (as well as China, Pakistan and Afghanistan) is to become less Western. Remember: what we have in common is that we are all countries formerly colonized by the Western colonial powers!
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2021, 11:53:10 pm »
The correct way to talk to colonialists:

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2021-09-16/china-fires-back-at-aukus-alliance-with-violent-rhetoric-australian-troops-would-be-the-first-to-die

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"Australia has turned itself into an adversary of China," China's English-language Global Times, considered a mouthpiece for the Chinese Communist Party, proclaimed in an editorial Thursday morning.

"If Australia dares to provoke China more blatantly," it added, "or even find fault militarily, China will certainly punish it with no mercy."
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"Thus, Australian troops are also most likely to be the first batch of Western soldiers to waste their lives in the South China Sea."

I especially like the term "Western soldiers" to emphasize who they are. But is it really "with no mercy" if only Western soldiers in the South China Sea are killed? Why not also those on Australian soil? Haven't Western occupiers been occupying long enough the land they stole?



See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/has-australia-reconciled-with-its-colonial-past/
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2021, 12:47:55 am »
https://mysingaporenews.blogspot.com/2021/06/an-egyptian-muslim-intellectual-praised.html

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Ismail Bashmori - An Egyptian muslim intellectual praised the dignifiied and righteous China but castigated and condemned the savage barbaric West / US centuries of aggression, colonialism and imperialism.



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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #82 on: October 03, 2021, 02:37:03 am »
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China is the only major country in the non-white developing world, to stand up to the West. To look it in the eye when challenged or threatened and say , No, I'm not afraid of you. Do your worst. I'm just as big as you are. All other countries in the Global south are simply Western puppets who submitted long ago. Even the most powerful ones, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, India - their leaders are busily listening to the United States , pen and paper in hand, writing down all its demands and going, Yes, sir, Mr. Yankee sir. Let me get on that right away for you.

This is not quite true. Iran has not submitted. On the other hand, China (unlike Iran) recognizes Israel, therefore saying China is standing up to the West is an exaggeration.

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We are decades away from China becoming the greatest power on earth. This will be China's time and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Will China withdraw recognition of Israel after it has become the greatest power on Earth? Perhaps it will, but I am not at all sure about this.

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What's going on now, this stupid new Cold War is nothing. For her first thirty years , from 1949 to 1979 , China was basically blockaded and isolated economically and politically by the West. It didn't even have a seat in the UN General Assembly. And it was dirt-poor in those days, barely a speck of the global economy, a tiny fraction of Japan's or Germany's GDP - not even able to prevent famine. And it still didn't submit to pressure or take any orders. Why on earth would it do that now?

Actually:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Israel_relations

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During the 1955 Asian–African Conference, China expressed support for the Palestinian right of return, but refrained from denying Israel's right to exist and secretly pursued trade ties with the Israelis.[21]

But it's this line which I really dislike:

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China is a better place to live today than at any time in its previous 5,000 years.

This author is a despicable progressive who has just claimed that the present-day Westernized China is superior to the entire pre-Westernized historical China! I would infinitely prefer to live in any period of ancient China prior to the colonial era over China today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAmMUkRgCg

I would also prefer to live in Deng-era China over China today, as we already discussed here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/msg6864/#msg6864

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/msg6866/#msg6866

Until Chinese people overwhelmingly feel the same way, China will keep going down the wrong path:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-gorges-american-grain-fed-032748928.html

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New York chain Wolfgang's Steakhouse, which has two restaurants in Beijing, opened another in the southern city of Shenzhen this year and has plans for a fourth in Hangzhou.

The restaurant flies in chilled U.S. beef before ageing it. Its 800g rib-eyes cost $150 apiece.

"Young people like meat, especially 20- and 30-year-olds who come here on dates," said Glen Feng, manager of the Beijing outlets.
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In China, USMEF has doubled the number of training events teaching local chefs how best to cut and slice

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/msg8450/#msg8450

Continuing:

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Aren't you at least curious to see a world with a non-white, non-Western leader might look like, after 400 years?

Very much so. Unfortunately, Xi is in many ways a Westerner with Chinese characteristics:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg8673/#msg8673

so we will have to wait at least until he retires or dies to possibly see one.

I also dislike this line of argument:

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You turn a blind eye to the country that gave you dozens of destroyed nations and millions of corpses to see as proof of its brutality, because it also gave you some amazing sitcoms!
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We've seen centuries of horror from the US and we're still giving "Murica the benefit of the doubt , even when the brutal truth is crystal-clear.

It was Western civilization that did the centuries of horror. It was America that did the (Counterculture-inspired) sitcoms. Giving America the benefit of the doubt simply means believing America will one day drive Western civilization out of the US. This is already happening:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/demographic-blueshift/

It is not necessary to be anti-US in order to be pro-China. This is a new bandwagon that many are jumping on, and I fear it will lead to yet another mistake that will not be corrected in time. I repeat: only the US and China working together is strong enough to defeat Western civilization.

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When I hear that China has built its own space station, landed a rover on Mars, extreme poverty, built the earth's biggest city, dam, telescope, 5G network, highway, air purifier, or whatever the heck it is that will come tomorrow - I feel the same pride as if I were Chinese. It's not happening for all of us , but it's happening for one of us and that's a start. There's got to be such a thing as developing-country nationalism - a common nationalism for all the countries that were colonized and plundered and remain economically and politically captured by their ex-rulers. A nationalism for the Global South. We are too divided , too brainwashed, too fooled and weak - most of us still worship the countries that destroyed us, are non-Western on the outside and Western on the inside

I agree in principle, but do you not see that China itself is in many ways Western on the inside? See the part in bold.

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and are leaving our countries in droves to let them burn while we "make a better life for ourselves" in the West. Do you want to live in a Western-dominated Earth for another 400 years? If you do, keep doing what you're doing. But I don't .

Wrong. Migrating to Western countries gives us a chance to transform them into non-Western countries. It is by ceasing to migrate to Western countries that ensures Western dominance will continue.

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NB: Please forward this message to as many people as possible so that the  non-white  world countries and people will wake up and realize how wicked and evil the white race people are especially the Five Eyes Anglo-Saxons of America, England, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and other European powers like France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Italy, Sweden and Poland.

Why no mention of Israel among the list of villains (or anywhere else in the entire article, for that matter)? This causes me to wonder if this article is a Zionist psy-op. Remember that when Israel is done exploiting the US, its plan is to cause it to implode so that the US will be too weak to threaten Israel militarily by the time it turns anti-Israel ideologically. This article seems to be coherent with such an objective (also shared by Duginists, for their own purposes). In contrast, we are here to prevent (or at least minimize) a US implosion so that the US remains strong enough to return to the world stage on the side of the formerly colonized countries against all the Western colonial powers, thus fulfilling its historical destiny.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #83 on: October 03, 2021, 06:59:26 am »
FYI Russia also belongs on the list of enemy countries.

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #84 on: October 13, 2021, 04:57:22 am »
Congratulations to Barbados!

https://wtop.com/world/2021/09/barbados-to-remove-queen-elizabeth-as-head-of-state-in-december/

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The Caribbean island nation of Barbados — known to some as “Little England” — will officially remove England’s Queen Elizabeth II as its head of state later this year.

Barbados is one of 16 nations that still recognize the Queen of England as head of state. But in about two months, after more than 20 years of planning, it will become the world’s newest Republic, removing the queen as its nominal ruler. That will reduce the number of countries that the queen “rules” to 15. Jamaica, another British Commonwealth, is also considering removing Queen Elizabeth as their head of state.

Hoping Jamaica follows soon!

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As in many democracies, the ruling power of the president will be limited in Barbados. That may change as the country may soon begin to rewrite its constitution.

In doing so, Barbados could potentially adopt the American-style of government — with a president as head of the executive branch, and separate legislative and judicial branches. It could also choose to retain the so-called ‘Westminster system‘, under which it has operated for more than half a century.

Why not take this chance to abandon democracy altogether?

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Re: Turkey
« Reply #85 on: October 18, 2021, 07:02:07 pm »
Erdogan delivers message of unity during speech in Angola
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“For a fairer world we have to work hand in hand” Turkey’s President Erdogan highlighted the importance of cooperation in standing against colonialism and oppression in Angola on the first leg of his Africa tour.
#Angola #Erdogan #Turkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cRTZgUqzpY

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Exactly. Love to Algeria, turkey, Tunisia,
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This is how great leaders true friends  advice those who in trouble 👍💖🤲

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« Reply #87 on: November 26, 2021, 09:52:38 pm »
Slow work pays off eventually:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-billions-buying-commonwealth-130713821.html

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When Tuesday morning dawns in Barbados, British influence in the Caribbean will retreat one more step as the island becomes a republic, ending almost 400 years of loyalty to the Crown.
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In truth, however, Barbados has already drifted away from Britain, and in common with dozens of other Commonwealth members it has become increasingly dependent on another international partner: China.

Britain may have the Queen, but China has the cash, and in recent years Beijing has ploughed almost £500 million into the Barbadian economy, which equates to around a tenth of its gross domestic product. Roads, homes, sewers and a hotel have all been constructed with Chinese yuan, not British pounds or US dollars.

The picture is the same in Jamaica, widely expected to be the next Commonwealth realm to become a republic, where £2.6 billion of Chinese investment, against a GDP of £16.4 billion, makes it the biggest recipient of Chinese cash in the Caribbean.

In total, China has invested £685 billion across 42 Commonwealth countries since 2005, according to figures compiled by the American Enterprise Institute.
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When Barbados becomes a republic next week, it will remain a member of the Commonwealth, the 54-member association which has expanded during the Queen’s reign and remains one of her proudest achievements.

The danger, though, for British diplomacy is that a future president of Barbados could decide to leave the Commonwealth and build new alliances elsewhere.

Common history as former victims of Western colonialism is more important than so-called "Commonwealth". This is what China shares with all Commonwealth countries that used to be British colonies. Take Barbados, for example:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/barbados/

But continuing with the main article:

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On the other side of the world, Commonwealth member Pakistan, which is the biggest recipient of UK Overseas Development Assistance, to the tune of £305 million in 2019, is also being targeted by China. Since 2005 it has received £60 billion of investment from China, more than a fifth of its GDP, and it now buys 70 per cent of its arms from China.
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Biyika Lawrence Songa, an MP in the Parliament of Uganda, a member state which has had almost £9 billion of Chinese investment, says: “Commonwealth countries, including Uganda, are running to China instead of Britain or other countries, because it is very easy to access Chinese money and it is easy for our businessmen to get Chinese visas if they want to go there to buy materials, for example.
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Democracies, with their ever-changing governments, tend to prioritise short-term gains, whereas, says Flather: “China has a permanent government and now an almost permanent leader... it’s able to think long-term.”

Another thing former victims of Western colonialism have in common is that none of our ancient governments used to be democratic. Some of us are democratic at present only due to colonial-era influence. None of us should want to remain democratic in the future.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/western-democracy/

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2021, 07:37:34 pm »
If you edit Trump out of this and replace him with a generic representation of US-North Korean diplomacy, this is actually kind of good. (At least until it got to 2:50 and tried to pitch consumerism/Westernization as a "benefit" of diplomacy).

Video from 2018 included in the link:
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Trump pitched peace to Kim Jong Un with this Hollywood-style video starring Kim as the leading man

It features epic shots and frames Kim as a potential "hero of his people" who can "remake history."

Trump said that Kim and his aides "loved" watching it, and hoped they would make it a reality.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pitches-peace-to-kim-jong-un-with-bizarre-hollywood-style-video-2018-6

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #89 on: December 16, 2021, 10:16:50 pm »
BOYCOTT LITHUANIA!

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18034/lithuania-china

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China has blocked all imports from Lithuania and has ordered multinational companies to sever ties with the Baltic country or face being shut out of the Chinese market.
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Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda says that his country will not capitulate to bullying from China and that he is committed to defending the principles and values of democracy from attack.

Nauseda's face:



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Lithuania, which has a population of fewer than 3 million, regained independence in 1990 after almost half a century of occupation by the Soviet Union. Lithuania has become one of the strongest defenders of democracy within the European Union and NATO.

On December 9, Lithuania's Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mantas Adomėnas, said that China had warned multinational companies to stop doing business with Lithuanian suppliers:

    "China has been sending messages to multinationals that if they use parts and supplies from Lithuania, they will no longer be allowed to sell to the Chinese market or get supplies there. We have seen some companies cancel contracts with Lithuanian suppliers."

Adomenas' face:



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The Lithuanian Confederation of Industrialists, which represents thousands of Lithuanian companies, confirmed that some multinational companies that buy goods from Lithuanian suppliers were being targeted by China. In an interview with the Reuters news agency, Confederation President Vidmantas Janulevičius said:

    "This week was the first time we saw direct Chinese pressure on a supplier to drop Lithuanian-made goods. Previously, we only had threats it could happen, now they became reality.

    "For us, the most painful part is that it's a European company. Many Lithuanian businesses are suppliers for such companies."

Janulevicius' face:



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Lithuania's direct trade with China is relatively small; the country exported €300 million worth of goods to China in 2020, less than 1% of its total exports. It is, however, home to hundreds of companies that make products for multinationals that sell to China.

On December 1, China delisted Lithuania as a country of origin, meaning that its goods cannot clear customs. Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said that China effectively had blocked all imports from Lithuania.

In a December 3 interview with the Financial Times, Landsbergis denounced the "unannounced" and "unprecedented" sanctions. He said that Lithuania would ask the European Commission, the administrative body of the European Union, for assistance.

Landsbergis' face:



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Lithuania's Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs Arnoldas Pranckevičius, speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in Washington, DC, warned that China's harassment of Lithuania should be a "wakeup call" for Europe:

    "China is trying to make an example out of us — a negative example — so that other countries do not follow our path. Therefore, it is a matter of principle how the Western community, the United States, and European Union react."

Pranckevicius' face:



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Help from the European Commission is unlikely to come soon, as the EU is deeply divided over relations with China. Larger member states such as France and Germany are reluctant to jeopardize economic ties with China, while smaller member states, including Lithuania, Czechia, Slovakia and Slovenia have urged the EU to stand united against Chinese pressure.

Turandom is the problem.

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Jakub Janda, director of the Prague-based European Values Center for Security Policy, concluded:

    "China as a communist superpower is so scared of 3-million Lithuania on the other side of the globe. Lithuania is the bravest country in Europe. We should all stand up with Lithuania."

Janda's face:



See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/hungary-v4/msg10151/#msg10151