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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #90 on: December 27, 2021, 11:14:00 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/calls-reparations-old-emancipation-global-152718865.html

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Dozens of nations were involved in the slave trade. How should they compensate descendants?

By prohibiting those of colonialist bloodlines from reproducing, and letting in those whom they colonized to become their demographic replacements.

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The call for reparations is being sounded beyond the U.S., with activists and political leaders demanding accountability for slavery and colonization of their countries.

In Jamaica, which became a British colony in the 1650s, the government has begun a push for reparations, seeking redress for nearly two centuries of slavery on the Caribbean island.

Officials announced the effort in July, with one legislator suggesting that the government seek roughly 7.6 billion British pounds, or roughly $10.4 billion in compensation from Britain. An official amount has yet to be publicly confirmed.

“Our African ancestors were forcibly removed from their home and suffered unparalleled atrocities in Africa to carry out forced labor to the benefit of the British Empire,” Olivia Grange, Jamaica’s minister of culture, gender, entertainment and sport, told Reuters over the summer. “Redress is well overdue.”

Indeed. But should it be money, or should it be justice?

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For those who support the growing movement, the question is how global powers should compensate the descendants of the enslaved people whose labor and commodification helped fuel the economic rise of several Western countries.

Those who did the labour should own what the labour produced. Not the estimated equivalent present-day currency value of what the labour produced (which is worthless in reality), but the actual infrastructure and other hard assets of those Western countries.

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“The royal family benefited from slavery financially and many of our African brothers and sisters died in battle for change,” David Denny, an activist and general secretary of the Caribbean Movement for Peace and Integration, told CNN in November.

So the Windsors should be prohibited from reproducing.

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“The essence of the reparations movement is that if you cause harm to a group of people, you have a duty to repair that harm,” said Verene Shepherd, a historian and the director of the Centre for Reparation Research at the University of the West Indies. “Those who benefited from the labor of the ancestors of African people are still benefiting from the wealth. There is an intergenerational generation of wealth on one side, and an intergenerational transmission of poverty on the other.”

Yes. And financial reparations will not change this more than momentarily. Only by prohibiting reproduction of colonialist bloodlines will the intergenerational generation of wealth surely end, since only then will there be no subsequent generations of those bloodlines.

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Critics of reparations programs often argue that slavery and colonization are past offenses and don’t justify compensation.

If an individual of a colonialist bloodline did not personally participate in colonization, that individual should indeed not be punished for colonialism. However, they should not be allowed to reproduce in order that their bloodline, which did participate in colonization, be eliminated. This solution alone is fair to both the individual who did not participate in colonization and the bloodline (carried by the individual) which did.

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In 2015, then-British Prime Minister David Cameron had said that the country would not pay reparations, instead calling for Jamaica and the U.K. to “continue to build for the future.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron

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He has also referenced the German Jewish ancestry of one of his great-grandfathers, Arthur Levita, a descendant of the Yiddish author Elia Levita.[21][22]

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/

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There has also been legal debate over the extent that countries involved in historical abuses can be held responsible for reparations in the present, with some scholars noting that while slavery is morally abhorrent, it was not illegal internationally when the transatlantic slave trade began.

Reparations activists, however, argue that the focus on slavery’s once widespread “legality” dismisses how enslaved people suffered under the practice and gives too much weight to Western legal ideas. “European countries behave as if the law said that Africans were not people, African societies were not recognized as societies,” Bohardsingh said. “The only law that they are having a conversation about when they bring up international law is European law, which allowed for the taking of people from another continent, enslaved them, and then said ‘Well, our law said that slavery is legal, so it is legal.’”

“The question is whose law are you going to judge the legality of slavery by?” she added.

Good point, hence the parallel need for:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/legal-decolonization/

Because we will not sound too convincing in arguing against the moral validity of Western law when formerly colonized countries (including Jamaica) themselves still use Western law!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judiciary_of_Jamaica

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The judiciary of Jamaica is based on the judiciary of the United Kingdom.[1] The courts are organized at four levels, with additional provision for appeal to the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in London. The Court of Appeal is the highest appellate court. The Supreme Court has unlimited jurisdiction in all cases, and sits as the Circuit Court to try criminal cases. The Parish Court (formerly known as the Resident Magistrate's court) in each parish hears both criminal and civil cases, excluding grave offences. The Petty Sessions are held under Justices of the Peace, with power to hear minor crimes.[2][3]

Jamaica is a common law jurisdiction, in which precedents from English law and British Commonwealth tradition may be taken into account.

Only when we ourselves have ceased to rely on Western law in arbitrating our own internal disputes can we claim seriously that Western law is wrong.

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“Tokenistic gestures are not reparations at all,” said Kehinde Andrews, a professor of Black studies at the U.K.’s Birmingham City University and author of “The New Age of Empire: How Racism & Colonialism Still Rule the World.” He added that these sorts of announcements and programs are “worse than nothing because they pretend to be something and people celebrate them as progress.”

“We need to be careful with what is labeled and called reparations, because it can actually do more harm than good,” he said.

Anything other than prohibiting all colonialist bloodlines from reproducing should be regarded as a tokenistic gesture.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #91 on: January 05, 2022, 08:34:26 pm »
Is the US remembering Clintonism?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-imposes-sanctions-against-bosnian-152139528.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Biden administration announced sanctions Wednesday against Bosnian Serb leader Milorad Dodik, accusing him of “corrupt activities” that threaten to destabilize the region and undermine a U.S.-brokered peace accord from more than 25 years ago.

The Treasury Department also alleged that Dodik has used his leadership position to accumulate wealth through graft and bribery, including by providing government contracts and monopolies to business associates.
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Dodik, a member of Bosnia’s tripartite presidency that also includes a Bosniak and a Croat official, has for years been advocating the separation of the Bosnian Serb semi-autonomous mini-state from Bosnia and having it become part of neighboring Serbia.

That what would be a breach of the Dayton Accords, the 1995 U.S.-sponsored peace agreement that ended Bosnia’s bloody civil war, which killed more than 100,000 people and left millions homeless in the worst carnage in Europe since World War II.
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With tacit support from Russia and Serbia, Dodik recently intensified his secessionist campaign, pledging to separate from Bosnia’s loose central authority and form a Bosnian Serb army, judiciary and tax system.

Bosniak officials have warned that Dodik’s policies could lead to clashes and called on the U.S. and the EU to crack down against him and his associates.

Of course, the only correct way to crack down is to drop WMDs on Serbia continuously until it surrenders unconditionally. Biden is too cowardly to do something like this.

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Dodik has repeatedly said he doesn’t care about new sanctions, adding that this would bring Serbs even closer to their “true friends” — Russia and China.

Now if only China could side with the US against the Serbs, the anti-Turanist coalition would begin to be formed.

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #92 on: January 06, 2022, 09:23:35 am »
Now if only China could side with the US against the Serbs, the anti-Turanist coalition would begin to be formed.

Do you know why China turned pro-Serb in the first place? AFAIK China's Cold War-era ally in the Balkans was actually Albania, one of Serbia's staunchest enemies!

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #93 on: January 06, 2022, 09:08:42 pm »
China will turn a blind eye to whomever gives lip service to its domestic policy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Serbia_relations

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Vučić has stated that "Serbia firmly supports the Chinese government’s positions in safeguarding China’s core interests including Hong Kong, Taiwan and Xinjiang and supports the "One Belt And One Road" initiative"[12]

This is why I despise Xi. Instead of having moral principles, he only wants social validation. As long as you say you agree with what he is doing, he will let you get away with anything:

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China backs Serbia's position regarding Kosovo.
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Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Božidar Đelić told reporters after a meeting in Beijing with Politburo member Liu Yandong that China reiterated its support to help Serbia preserve her territorial integrity. "Just as Serbia supports the one China policy, China supports Serbia as its best and most stable friend in southeastern Europe."[16]

Albania, on the other hand:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania%E2%80%93China_relations#Issues_of_human_rights_in_China

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On 6 October 2020, Albania was one of a group of 39 signatory countries to a statement at the United Nations which denounced China for its treatment of ethnic Uyghur and other Muslim minorities in Xinjiang and for curtailing freedoms in Hong Kong.[13] [14]

Albania happens to be misinformed on this particular issue. But the amoral and psychologically insecure Xi, instead of being able to grasp that Albania is motivated by basically good intentions behind the denunciation whereas Serbia is just playing him by vocalizing support, interprets their respective positions in the most superficial way possible as either pro-China or anti-China, and then supporting whomever is more pro-China, thus taking the wrong side.



(My prediction is that Israel is preparing to play the same trick on China, and China will fall for it unless it gets more competent leadership than the subhuman Eurocentrist pictured above.)

This all goes back to the very core of True Left ideology. So long you want something for yourself, evil can always make you become its protector by becoming the one who will give you what you want in return. Evil can only be destroyed by those who want nothing except the destruction of evil itself, for only then have you left evil nothing with which to bargain with you.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2022, 05:45:38 am »
Now if only China could side with the US against the Serbs, the anti-Turanist coalition would begin to be formed.

Do you know why China turned pro-Serb in the first place? AFAIK China's Cold War-era ally in the Balkans was actually Albania, one of Serbia's staunchest enemies!

A feud happened between 2 leaders starting from then leader of Albania, Enver Hoxha. He disagreed with Mao's thought about the three worlds theory and China's diplomacy to the USA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Albanian_split

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The Sino-Albanian split was the gradual worsening of relations between the People's Socialist Republic of Albania and the People's Republic of China in the period 1972–1978. Both countries had supported each other in the Soviet–Albanian and Sino-Soviet splits, together declaring the necessity of defending Marxism–Leninism against what they regarded as Soviet revisionism within the international communist movement. By the early 1970s, however, Albanian disagreements with certain aspects of Chinese policy deepened as the visit of Nixon to China along with the Chinese announcement of the "Three Worlds Theory" produced strong apprehension in Albania's leadership under Enver Hoxha. Hoxha saw in these events an emerging Chinese alliance with American imperialism and abandonment of proletarian internationalism. In 1978, China broke off its trade relations with Albania, signalling an end to the informal alliance which existed between the two states.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #95 on: January 19, 2022, 09:43:02 pm »
Chinese slowness:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-shocked-slovenias-plans-allow-093000879.html

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The Chinese foreign ministry said it was "shocked" by Slovenia's plans to allow Taiwan to open an office there, saying it would damage ties between China and Europe.

Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian also said that comments by Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Jansa, who made strong criticisms of Beijing in a television interview on Monday, were "dangerous".

Why are you shocked? Slovenia is part of Turandom!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/hungary-v4/msg2025/#msg2025

Turandom is increasingly becoming the intellectual core of Western civilization. Western civilization will always see China as a threat. Therefore Turandom will increasingly feel compelled to see China as a threat. This is simple logic.

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It responded furiously to Lithuania after the European country signed an agreement with Taiwan in July to open a de facto embassy for the island under the name Taiwanese Representative Office in Lithuania. The office opened in November.

Lithuania is also part of Turandom. Duh!

So long as China continues to misunderstand what Western civilization is (ie. NOT Counterculture) and hence where it is currently based (pun intended), it will keep getting its foreign policy wrong.

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #96 on: January 27, 2022, 08:45:56 pm »
Harris actually does some work for a change?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-attend-inauguration-incoming-130141394.html

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Kamala Harris to attend inauguration of incoming socialist Honduran president with anti-Semitic ties
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Harris will be attending the inauguration of Honduran President-elect Xiomara Castro on Thursday following Castro's victory to the Central American nation’s highest office after running on a socialist platform.

The vice president has maintained a line of communication with Castro since the Honduran president-elect’s win, taking a call in December to "deepen the partnership between the United States and Honduras," according to Harris spokeswoman Sabrina Singh.
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Castro’s running mate, First Vice President-elect Salvador Nasralla. carries some serious baggage as well, having made past unsavory comments about Jews and Israel.

In 2020, Nasralla claimed that outgoing Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández’s "boss is the government of Israel" and said in a debate that Jews control the global money supply.

All New World countries should cease to recognize Israel ASAP, following the example of Venezuela:

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Also raising eyebrows is Castro’s husband, former Honduran President Mel Zelaya, a wealthy landowner in the country who was deposed from his presidency by a military coup in 2009.

Zelaya was Castro’s campaign manager and is a polarizing figure in Honduran politics. The former president was ousted after trying to recreate the policies of Venezuelan socialist President Hugo Chávez.

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« Reply #97 on: March 04, 2022, 08:27:27 pm »
Japan warned Russia: Stop the invasion in the Kuril Islands
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Japan said, Russia occupied the southern part of the Kuril Islands, which contradicts international law, as well as the invasion of Ukraine. The Japanese government said, "The Northern Territories are occupied by Russia, and we believe that this contradicts the international law, as well as the ongoing attack of the Russian army on Ukraine."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztXzIocbyQI

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #98 on: March 04, 2022, 08:46:24 pm »
Good, but why only mention the Kuril Islands? Make Karafuto Japanese again!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/sakhalin/



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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #99 on: March 14, 2022, 07:35:10 pm »
Signs of spine?

https://tfipost.com/2020/07/this-is-our-land-china-now-claims-russias-vladivostok-as-part-of-its-territory

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Chinese internet users, including diplomats and officials, claim that Vladivostok used to be a part of China. They claim it was Qing’s Manchurian homeland but was annexed by the Russian empire in 1860 after China was defeated by the British and the French during the Second Opium war.

Shen Shiweim, a journalist at the Chinese State-run broadcaster, China Global Television Network (CGTN) tweeted, “This “tweet” of #Russian embassy to #China isn’t so welcome on Weibo. The history of Vladivostok (literally ‘Ruler of the East’) is from 1860 when Russia built a military harbor. But the city was Haishenwai as Chinese land, before Russia annexed it via unequal Treaty of Beijing.”
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China’s claims over Russia’s Vladivostok are not limited to the state-owned media. Even Chinese diplomats have jumped in. Zhang Heqing, a wolf-warrior from China currently stationed at the country’s Mission in Pakistan said, “Isn’t this what in the past was our Haishenwai?”

Meanwhile, the CCP IT cell too has gone berserk. A Weibo user wrote, “Today we can only endure, but the Chinese people will remember, and one generation after another will continue to remember!” SCMP quotes another user as saying, “We must believe that this ancestral land will return home in the future!”

Background:

https://www.russia-briefing.com/news/dangers-building-ultra-patriotism-chinese-claim-vladivostok-haishenwai.html/

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Having been battered by British and French during this war, China learned of Russia’s strategic build-up of military presence on its shared northern border. Russia was only willing to withdraw troops if China were to cede territory along this border.

Facing potential attacks by Russia from the north and the onslaught of British and French forces on the south, the Qing dynasty was compelled to comply with Russia demands to stave off invasion on at least one front. This led to the signing of the Treaty of Aigun in 1858, that formed much of the present day borders between Russia and China, along the Amur River. The Chinese have historically called this treaty an “unequal treaty”, one in a series of treaties signed between the Qing dynasty and neighbouring states in the region.

Russian diplomat Count Nikolay Pavlovich Ignatyev had witnessed the havoc and plunder that the British and French had unleashed upon Beijing, including engaging in loot and plunder and the burning down of the Old Summer Palace, specifically ordered by Britain’s Lord Elgin. Elgin, having set his eyes on the loot and destruction of the Forbidden City next, urged the Chinese to sit at the negotiating table with Ignatyev as the mediator in what came to be known as the Convention of Peking between China, Russia, Britain and France.

As a result of this convention, in October 1860, the British acquired the Kowloon Peninsula and control over Hong Kong. Among other agreements, opium was made legal, a move that economically benefited France and Britain. From China’s perspective, these agreements were exploitative and sharply skewed in favour of the two western nations.

Knowing how desperately China was trying to protect its capital, Ignatyev pushed for the Qing rulers to accept the terms of the agreements, and also threw in what the Chinese call “Outer Manchuria” for Russia, an area significantly larger than what it had originally desired. One part of this territory is now called the Primorsky Krai. According to Lukin, the Russian government had already established a military outpost in the region even before signing a formal treaty of cessation with the Qing dynasty.

This area of the Primorsky Krai, along with the Golden Horn Bay, with its administrative capital as Vladivostok, became an important sea port for Russia and allowed the country to expand economic and military influence in this part of the Pacific. It is also known as the Russian Maritime Province. Today, Vladivostok is the base for the Russian Pacific Fleet.






https://youtu.be/YCgxRlYGk_w

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #100 on: March 16, 2022, 12:01:54 am »
For completeness, it is worth noting that Ukrainians were also in on the colonization of Outer Manchuria:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Ukraine

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Green Ukraine, also known as Zeleny Klyn (Ukrainian: Зелений клин, romanized: Zelenyy Klyn, Russian: Зелёный Клин, romanized: Zelyonyy Klin, literally: "the green gore/wedge"),[3] is a historical Ukrainian name for the land in the Russian Far East area between the Amur River and the Pacific Ocean, an area roughly corresponding to the Chinese concept of Outer Manchuria.

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Transcathay (Ukrainian: Закитайщина, romanized: Zakytayshchyna) was a projected country in the Russian Far East.[4] After the establishment of the Bolshevik Far Eastern Republic on April 6, 1920, Far Eastern areas with an ethnic Ukrainian majority attempted to secede and establish an entity called Green Ukraine.[citation needed] This movement quickly proved abortive.
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The Zeleny Klyn (Ukrainian: Зелений клин), or Zelena Ukraina was an area of land settled by Ukrainians which is a part of the Russian Far East in the area of the Amur River and the Pacific Ocean. It was named by the Ukrainian settlers. The territory consists of over 1,000,000 square kilometres and has a population of 3.1 million (1958). The Ukrainian population in 1897 made up 15% of the Primorskaya Oblast's population.[5]

Zeleny Klyn became part of the Russian Empire much later than Siberia and other parts of the Far East. The first attempts at colonizing the area date back to the mid-17th century when Yerofey Khabarov founded the fort of Albazin on the Amur River. From that time, constant skirmishes took place with the Manchu people of China. In 1689 China and Russia signed the Treaty of Nerchinsk, which granted Russia limited territory.

In the mid 19th century, the second Russian expansion took place after Russia lost the Crimean War (1853–1856). A number of Cossack settlements were established on the Amur river. China had become far weaker than Russia at the time and ceded territory to Russia in the Treaty of Aigun of 1858 and by the Convention of Peking of 1860 (see Amur Annexation).

During this period only a small number of settlers settled in the region consisting of some 14,000 Cossacks and 2,500 Russian soldiers. In 1861 two oblasts were established, the Primorsky and Amur. Vladivostok was founded in 1860, Khabarovsk in 1858.

In 1882 free transportation was announced for settlers to the area from Ukraine and free land was offered to settlers. By 1897 the population had increased to 310,000. With the establishment of the railroad in 1901 over 14,000 settlers were moving to the area per year, with a maximum of 78,000 settlers moving there in 1907.

After 1917[citation needed] the area came under the jurisdiction of Admiral Alexander Kolchak. In 1920 the Far East Republic was established as a buffer republic between Russia and Japan. In 1922 the republic joined with the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. In 1934 the Jewish Autonomous Oblast region was established with its capital at Birobidzhan.

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« Reply #101 on: March 17, 2022, 09:04:26 pm »
4 ways China is quietly making life harder for Russia
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/17/business/china-russia-sanctions-friction-intl-hnk/index.html

Letting the ruble drop
Sitting on reserves
Withholding aircraft parts
Freezing infrastructure investment
 

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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #102 on: March 20, 2022, 11:29:09 am »
Myth of Chinese debt trap in Africa (for the ZC idiots who claim that China is "colonizing" Africa):
https://youtu.be/_-QDEWwSkP0

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« Reply #103 on: March 26, 2022, 09:51:22 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-foreign-minister-see-indian-023446795.html

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"China does not pursue the so-called "unipolar Asia" and respects India's traditional role in the region. The whole world will pay attention when China and India work hand in hand."

This on its own is a good vision. However, the correct way to see improved relations between India and China is that this makes it easier for both to turn on Russia. I fear this is not what either is thinking about, though:

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India and China each consider Russia a friend and have rejected Western calls for condemnation of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which Russia calls a "special military operation".

If China and India are improving relations with each other not to isolate Russia but instead to consolidate their respective relationships with Russia, then this is going all wrong.

Dugin wants to present India has having only two options:

https://www.india-seminar.com/2020/728/728_aleksandr_dugin.htm

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This possibly explains India’s hesitation to join the multipolar club where two poles, Russia and China, are almost fully established, or come closer to the West and help contain the emergence of a Greater Eurasia. Both paths are feasible and can be evaluated.

Why not the third option of forming an anti-colonialist club with China and then winning over the US to join this club also? India, with its presently closer relations to the US, could become the bridge linking up the US with China. Of course Dugin does not discuss this possibility because he doesn't want anyone to even think about it.

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India, in accordance to this forecast, will be the second most important economy in world by GDP next to China and ahead of the US and Europe. Together with China, it would gives us total dominance in the world economy; 53% (India China) against 28% (US EU). It would tilt the balance of the world economy to the East.

If we switch the US (a fellow former victim of Western colonialism) over to the same side as China and India, the dominance over the totality of the Western colonial powers (including Russia) will be even greater! More importantly, it will represent the collective triumph of former victims of Western colonialism over their former colonizers. In contrast, letting Russia - not only a Western colonial power but the only one which still hasn't given back its stolen land! - join the India-China bloc would screw up the entire story.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2022, 10:23:03 pm »
I think Dugin is selling the Russia-India alliance based on the latter's hostility toward Maoist China, and the Russia's "support" of India during the Sino-Indian war.
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