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« on: February 04, 2022, 12:35:45 pm »
Economic entanglement and systemic rivalry: Germany and China at a crossroads
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China is Germany's biggest trading partner. Almost 1 in 3 shipping containers in the German city of Hamburg is either heading to China, or coming in from a Chinese port. In Hamburg the ties are so strong that a shipping line owned by China's government even bought a stake in this terminal.
This is a story of how Germany pumped up its economy on business with China and how it got closer than any other western power to the leaders in Beijing. Only to wonder if all of this is a good idea. Under president Xi Jinping, China has become a darker dictatorship, one that's challenging the power and values of the West. China is not only developing, but also bit by bit exporting an authoritarian regime that is antagonistic against our belief in democracy and human rights. The US is lining up the West to take a stand for democracy in a battle of the systems that will define this century. Many want Germany to join. There's going to be pressure from within the German population, from Germany's major allies outside of Europe, pushing Germany towards a harder line.
But is Germany really  prepared to risk all this in a showdown with China? Germany's new government faces a choice - a dilemma. Should it keep following the money? Or does it need to think again? In this video we're going to find out how Germany got so entangled with China, how the last few years have shown what it is they're really dealing with. And we'll examine whether the new team running Germany really wants to make a new start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UN99-3kJ_Y

Democracy + human-rights = tribalism. Yet Westerners supposedly believe in nation-states? What is left to conclude except the fact that Westerners are hypocrites and morons?

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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2022, 04:14:35 pm »
'Reputational damage': EU warns China against backing Russia's Ukraine war • FRANCE 24 English
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Top EU officials warned China's leader Xi Jinping at a virtual summit Friday that any attempt to aid Russia's war in Ukraine could hurt business ties between the two economic superpowers.
#Ukraine #China #EU
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Re: China and European Union Relations
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2022, 08:56:01 pm »
Xi's disgusting Eurocentrism on display:

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18476/eu-china-relations

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Xi also called on the European Union chart an independent course from the United States on relations with China.
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    "China and the EU, as two major forces, big markets and great civilizations, should increase communication on their relations and on major issues concerning global peace and development, and play a constructive role in adding stabilizing factors to a turbulent world.

    "Xi called on the EU to form its own perception of China, adopt an independent China policy, and work with China for the steady and sustained growth of China-EU relations."

Translation: "I have given up trying to improve relations with the US but I will never give up being a tail-wagging Eurocentrist."

Xi literally called China's colonizers a "great civilization"!



With this one statement he has simultaneously insulted not only China but also every other historical victim of Western colonialism (including America).

This is the exact opposite of the correct approach. Fawning to your own colonizers signals to them that the colonization has not really ended. The colonizers will sense this and hence perceive a green light to punch down on China even harder than they already do. And then Xi will be puzzled about why his carefully prepared speech backfired.

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Borrell later rebuked the Chinese leadership:

    "This was not exactly a dialogue, maybe a dialogue of the deaf.

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The director of the Asia program at the European Council on Foreign Relations, Janka Oertel, added:
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"For the Chinese leadership under President Xi Jinping, everything — including the war — is currently refracted through the lens of domestic politics and the global rivalry with the US.

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In an interview with ChinaFile, Jacques deLisle, Director of the Center for the Study of Contemporary China at the University of Pennsylvania, said:
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"Chinese summit and post-summit statements, like Beijing's response to the Ukraine crisis generally, have made China seem much less than a capable and responsible power.

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Shannon Tiezzi, Editor-in-Chief of The Diplomat, wrote:
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"Beijing has constantly urged Europe to adopt an 'independent policy toward China,' something Xi repeated in the meeting on Friday. In blunter terms, China does not want Brussels to coordinate its China strategy with Washington. But in its constant repetition of this theme, Beijing misses the point: Europe has its own concerns about China, independently of the United States.

Here is the "Great Hall of the People" in Beijing:



Does this decor look even remotely Chinese?  Great Hall of the Colonized People would be a better description! Xi sure seems to be proud of it, though.....

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Re: China and European Union Relations
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2022, 10:37:55 pm »
Is it sheer stupidity or is it blind Eurocentrism?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/xi-tells-scholz-europes-security-093000966.html

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Xi tells Scholz that Europe's security 'should be kept in the hands of Europeans'
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"The security of Europe should be kept in the hands of Europeans themselves," Xi told Scholz, according to the Chinese foreign ministry readout. "The European side needs to show historical responsibility and political wisdom, bear in mind the long-term stability of Europe, and promote a solution in a responsible manner."

Anyone with the slightest common sense can see that the choice is between:

1) more US troops being needed in the Atlantic and hence US troops being withdrawn from the Pacific;
2) fewer US troops being needed in the Atlantic and hence US troops increasing their presence in the Pacific.

Xi should be trying to achieve 1), yet being the incompetent clown that he is, instead he is actively striving for 2)!

See also:

https://authenticamericandream.blogspot.com/2018/03/countering-pacific-pivot.html

Back to first link:

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Xi said China and the EU had "far more common interests than differences"

Only in Xi's sick fantasies:

https://www.ejinsight.com/eji/article/id/1162042/20151015-why-xi-jinping-getting-royal-reception-britain

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When Xi Jinping visits Britain next week, the president and his wife, Peng Liyuan, will stay in the Belgian suite of Buckingham Palace, where Prince William and Kate Middleton spent the first night of their marriage.

Ew..... That Xi did not see this as a veiled insult shows how psychologically colonized he is.

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He will address Parliament, ride in a royal carriage and be given a formal banquet by Queen Elizabeth.
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The Belgian suite has three rooms and is often used by the queen for private meetings.

Its main color is yellow, and the suite has has statues of George III and his wife.

Look how happy Xi is to be surrounded by Western architecture:



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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2022, 02:52:02 am »
Previously:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg111/?topicseen#msg111

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"Here is an example of a False Leftist purportedly “defending” China, by citing Xi’s election victory as evidence of the democratic nature of the regime."

The problem is that Singh is only repeating the Xi's own line: Xi himself frequently claims that China is "democratic" (and worse, "more democratic" than Western countries)! Instead of taking pride in China being the last major holdout for autocracy in the whole world, Xi seems to want to redefine the term "democratic" to describe China's system of government! This is extremely buffoonish. Not only does it waste its present chance to vaunt the superiority of autocracy and thus commence the long-awaited counterrevolution against democracy, but it also fails to convince actual democrats (e.g. Hong Kong rightists) and instead merely supplies them with easy ammo with which to accuse the Xi of gaslighting.

"Democratic" is not a synonym for "good". But Xi will never understand this (you can tell this just from his clothes).

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"If China is democratized it’s over."

If China starts having popular vote it is definitely over. But even if it does not, the very fact that it feels the need to call itself "democratic" (though without popular vote) is still a sign that it is in rhetorical retreat.

Unlike the False Left which merely follows Xi's rhetoric claiming to be "democratic" (though without popular vote), the True Left approach to positivity towards China should more often involve educating people about pre-modern Chinese rulers (who were autocratic and proud of it).

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg1954/?topicseen#msg1954

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"I see that Chinese leadership always said China has their own "Chinese" democracy."

This shows how cowardly they are. They should be giving credit to autocracy for China's success, thus inspiring scepticism towards democracy by presenting China as a representative of the alternative. Instead they go with the cowardly claim that China is merely a "different type of democracy". Such a statement implies that they themselves believe that democracy has the moral high ground, but worse, everyone knows the statement itself ("China is democratic") is false, therefore everyone can now accuse China of actually knowing democracy is superior (hence being motivated to claim to be democratic) but still refusing to become democratic in reality, which is the worst position China can put itself in.

This is a perfect example of China's PR incompetence as noted above.

The coward is back:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/xi-jinping-says-china-consulted-090650352.html

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Chinese President Xi Jinping announced on Sunday that China had conducted a nationwide campaign that gathered public opinion on what the country's senior leadership should look like in the next five years.

He called it an example of a "whole-process people's democracy," which Beijing has touted as being better than the West's model of democracy. This brand of democracy practiced in China appears to include holding local elections and frequent public consultation on issues.

So you've been handed on a plate a ready-made autocratic superpower, and instead of using China to promote the advantages of autocracy, you are going to claim China is a democracy too?



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Xi's own definition of "whole-process democracy" isn't completely clear. He has described it as a form of government in which "all major legislative decisions are made in accordance with procedures, through democratic deliberation, and through scientific and democratic decision-making."

When you are trying to define something, using the word you are trying to define as part of the definition turns it into a circular definition. All it shows is how scared you are that others might even momentarily perceive you as non-democratic!



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The description implies that the Chinese government actively allows citizens to influence policies and major decisions after the local elections conclude. China's Foreign Ministry has said that this system represents a "true and high-quality democracy that works."

Why can't China simply be described as an autocracy that works? Why does everything have to preliminarily claim to be democratic before claiming to be anything else positive? Most importantly, do you realize that every time you talk like this, you are implying that ancient China (as well as, for that matter, every other non-Western civilization in the world), which never valued democracy of any kind, are all inferior to Western civilization?



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"If the people are awakened only to cast a vote but become dormant afterward, that is no true democracy," China's Chargé d'affaires in Australia wrote in December, taking a jab at Western democracy. "If the people are offered great hopes during electoral campaigning but have no say afterward, that is no true democracy."

Even if you can thus get Chinese believing that present-day China is better than present-day Western countries, so what? Since you are saying China is better by Western standards, they will continue to believe China only became better via contact with Western civilization. They will continue to have a low opinion of ancient China (not to mention other non-Western civilizations).


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Re: China and European Union Relations
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2022, 01:49:40 pm »
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/17/china/china-europe-relations-ukraine-russia-intl-mic-hnk/index.html

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China once saw Europe as a counter to US power. Now ties are at an abysmal low

The part in bold was the mistake. Now is the chance to correct it.

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it is a significant blow for Beijing's ideal vision: a Europe with robust China ties that provides a counterbalance to American power and posture.

"China and the EU should act as two major forces upholding world peace, and offset uncertainties in the international landscape," Xi told EU leaders at a summit in April

Xi has it the wrong way round. China and America should act as two major forces upholding world peace, counterbalancing the power of the former Western colonial powers. But Xi being a Eurocentrist of course prefers to fantasize about his Eurocentric vision.

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There has been acknowledgment of China's myopia among mainland scholars,

Chen Dingding, founding director of the Intellisia Institute think tank in Guangzhou, wrote in a coauthored article in The Diplomat, that the risks of the war in Ukraine are "not fully understood in China," where officials and academics had failed to acknowledge the "shock" that death and destruction in Ukraine would bring Europeans.

That's because the Chinese officials and academics do not understand the sheer racism of those whom they are dealing with. They observed the indifference towards the death and destruction in Syria, Yemen, etc. and naively assumed the EU would view the same in Ukraine with similar indifference. Of course this was not the case:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/mainstream-media-rightist-bias/msg11553/#msg11553

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/mainstream-media-rightist-bias/msg11558/#msg11558

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/mainstream-media-rightist-bias/msg11572/#msg11572

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/mainstream-media-rightist-bias/msg11623/#msg11623

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/mainstream-media-rightist-bias/msg11750/#msg11750

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/mainstream-media-rightist-bias/msg11898/#msg11898
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2022, 11:54:20 am »
China & Europe's Relationship is Collapsing: The End of 16+1
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Over recent years China and Europe's relationship has been eroding. Despite a good start at the beginning of 2010 things have well and truly gone off the rails. So let's explore what lead to this downfall & what happens next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX0D5upjXAY

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2022, 08:22:04 pm »
Latest bootlicking by Eurocentrist Xi:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/xi-asks-italian-pm-help-183745724.html

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BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese President Xi Jinping told Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni on Wednesday at the G20 summit in Indonesia that he hoped Italy would play an important role in helping the European Union's policy towards China remain "positive" and "independent."

In their first-ever meeting, Xi and Meloni praised each other's countries as ancient civilisations, with Xi pointing out China's cooperation with Italy on battling COVID-19, and calling on China-Italy relations to become a "model for the development of relations between two countries with different social systems and cultural backgrounds," according to state broadcaster CCTV.

Background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_concession_of_Tianjin

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On 7 June 1902, the Italians took control of the concession, which was to be administered by an Italian consul.

After the First World War, Italy desired to add the former Austro-Hungarian concession which was adjacent to the Italian concession, and would have doubled its size. However, in 1917 China terminated the leases of Germany and Austria-Hungary's concessions. The districts were converted into "Special Areas" under Chinese control, with a separate administration from the rest of Tientsin.

Italy requested again the Austrian concession at the end of First World War and obtained it in 1920.[1]

Does Xi care? Of course not (just like he doesn't care about all the refugees unnecessarily drowning in the Mediterranean every day since Meloni came into power):

https://news.italy24.press/trends/203509.html

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A meeting “marked by cordiality”, echoed Palazzo Chigi. So much so that, at the end of the face-to-face meeting, Xi invited Meloni to pay a visit to China.
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There are immediately two details to underline. The first concerns the duration of the meeting, which has come close to 60 minutes, which is much more than expected. The second aspect calls into question the Chinese side’s interest in this bilateral agreement, given that the Dragon has deployed a high-profile delegation, such as Foreign Minister Wang Yi and the governor of the Central Bank (Pboc) Yi Gang.

His facial expression tells it all:




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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2023, 08:08:03 pm »
This is how pathetic it looks when a Eurocentrist autocrat feels the need to pretend to be a democrat:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/vladimir-putin-congratulates-dear-friend-072651613.html

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Delegates handed Mr Xi a third term as China’s president and re-elected him as head of the country’s Central Military Commission in a unanimous vote.
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A digital monitor on the edge of the stage proclaimed the final tally – all 2,952 votes had been cast in favour of awarding Mr Xi another term in office.
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In the oath, beamed live on state television across the nation, Mr Xi vowed to “build a prosperous, strong, democratic, civilized, harmonious and great modern socialist country”.

Not only will no one believe Xi's blatantly choreographed vote, but it just makes actual democratic countries look good in comparison because the implication is that they actually are what autocratic countries have to choreograph themselves to be.



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Prof Steve Tsang, the director of the SOAS China Institute in London, told AFP: “We will see a China more assertive on the global stage, insisting its narrative be accepted.

Nothing could be further from the truth. To insist your narrative be accepted would first involve insisting that autocracy is superior to democracy. The above behaviour is a display of the exact opposite.
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