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Flag decolonization
« on: July 04, 2020, 03:27:19 am »
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Our initial targets should be former victims of British colonialism:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_with_the_Union_Jack_displayed_on_their_flag

Good designs for alternative national flags in fact have already been proposed in some cases:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proposed_Australian_flags

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proposed_New_Zealand_flags

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Tuvalu#Changes_and_controversies

therefore in these cases it is mainly a matter of pushing for replacement of the existing flags. Of course those designs which continue to include the colonizer flag are unacceptable, as are designs which include tasteless items such as boomerangs (a hunting weapon).

Elsewhere, alternative flags have yet to be designed:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Fiji#Proposal_for_a_new_flag

And in the remaining cases political independence has not yet been achieved!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories#Current_overseas_territories

Nevertheless, post-independence flags can still be designed in advance as a way to promote the idea of independence.

Beyond this, the flags of all the former Western colonial powers need to come down someday.

I also want to draw attention to the flag of Myanmar:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Myanmar

We oppose the current flag (in use since 2010, following democratization):



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Democracy sucks:

www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12242524

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National flag: Former PM John Key would now bypass referendum and just choose new ensign
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Key - the current chairman of ANZ Bank NZ - had been strongly in favour of changing the national flag in 2015 and 2016 when he was Prime Minister, preferring a black and white silver fern design to the current flag with its British Union Jack on it.

His Government spent $26 million and two years engaging with the public in a bid to bring about the change.

Two referendums were held; one choosing the best flag design and a second to decide whether it should replace the current flag.

Eventually, 56.6 per cent of Kiwi voters chose to keep the old flag in March 2016, compared with 43.2 per cent in favour of a new flag design.

Key was criticised for the cost of the process and starting a contentious debate that divided the country.

But he told 66 Magazine he would now bypass and do away with the debate and go straight for the flag change because New Zealand needed an iconic symbol.

"I still believe that, as a small country at the bottom of the world if we want people to know us, we need a symbol that is ours," he said.

Yes. But the country also needs to stop being called "New Zealand", because it is undignified for a country in the Pacific Ocean to be named after a Dutch province:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/name-decolonization/

Also, what sense does it make to change the flag while retaining the British head of state?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand#Government_and_politics

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Elizabeth II is the Queen of New Zealand[67] and thus the head of state.[68]

And most importantly, democracy should be scrapped. What sense does it make to change the flag while retaining a Western system of governance?

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Common sense:

www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/apartheid-flag-ruling-gratuitous-display-constitutes-hate-speech-20190821

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The gratuitous display of the old apartheid flag constitutes hate speech, the Equality Court, sitting in the Gauteng High court in Johannesburg, ruled on Wednesday.

The Nelson Mandela Foundation and Human Rights Commission took the case to court, asking that the gratuitous display of the flag be stopped.

Handing down judgment on Wednesday, Judge Phineas Mojapelo said the display of the old flag gratuitously demeans and dehumanises on the basis of race. He added that it impairs dignity.

I am against the inaccurate term "hate speech" (why not simply "colonialist speech"?), but the ruling itself is a step in the correct direction. The whole world should folllow South Africa's example and take it further. Displaying any colonial flag (including the flag of Israel) without countervailing context (e.g. burning it) should be regarded as a declaration of war by default, and displayers treated as enemy combat units.

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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2020, 02:18:31 pm »
http://timesofsweden.com/2020/07/14/call-to-remove-the-cross-from-the-swedish-flag-because-it-is-problematic/

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according to Patrik Lindenfors the symbol is “problematic”, claiming that Christianity is connected with slavery

Jesus never taught slavery. The Tanakh did, of course. So it is Judeo-Christianity that is connected with slavery. Sweden, of course, like all the other Western colonial powers, practiced Judeo-Christianity. But more to the point, the current Swedish flag was the same one used during the colonial era:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies (note the flag)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_slave_trade

so for this reason the flag certainly should be changed. Failure to do so would suggest Sweden wishes to associate itself with its colonial past. (One reason why National Socialist Germany changed the German flag was to mark a clean break from Germany's colonial past. Every former Western colonial power should follow this example.)
« Last Edit: July 14, 2020, 02:26:04 pm by 90sRetroFan »

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2020, 04:48:52 pm »
Pentagon effectively bans confederate flags on military property
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The Pentagon on Friday laid out a new policy on Friday that will ban displays of the Confederate flag on military installations, in a memo that avoids mentioning an explicit ban or the controversial flag itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0PNblePNI

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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2021, 09:43:21 pm »

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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2021, 09:54:25 pm »
This is the official flag of Afghanistan:



This is the flag of the now deposed Western puppet state:



This is the correct way to do flag decolonization:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/19/several-reported-killed-taliban-shoot-crowds-waving-afghan-flag

What I don't understand is why the US has not been similarly shooting anyone on US soil flying the Confederate flag ever since the Civil War ended.
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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2022, 08:12:07 pm »
Good move (though of course the term "hate" is inaccurate; why not simply "racism"?):

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-feds-effectively-declare-red-ensign-a-hate-symbol

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The guidebook goes on to list the Red Ensign, the official flag of Canada until 1967 and the one under which we fought fascists in the Second World War, as a symbol of hate promotion.
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“Its usage denotes a desire to return to Canada’s demographics before 1967, when it was predominately white.”




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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2022, 04:39:01 am »
Another small success:

https://xyz.net.au/2022/07/decolonisation-aboriginal-flag-to-replace-state-flags-on-sydney-harbour-bridge-and-westgate-bridge/

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The Aboriginal flag — which has been flown on Sydney Harbour Bridge as part of NAIDOC Week celebrations — will permanently replace the New South Wales flag.

Last month, the government announced plans to spend $25 million on installing a new, third flagpole and refurbishing the existing two poles.

However, public backlash about the cost of the project has prompted NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet to reconsider and, instead, make the temporary NAIDOC flag arrangement a permanent one.

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Decolonization is not complete until every flag with the British Empire insignia is removed.

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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2022, 08:14:16 am »
It's surprising that a "republic" in the Commonwealth of Nations, Fiji, still have the British insignia.

Flag of Fiji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Fiji:



Coat of arms of Fiji https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Fiji:



Fiji became a republic from 1987 Fijian coups d'état, but the coup leader, Sitiveni Rabuka, did not change the flag and the coat of arms.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Fijian_coups_d%27%C3%A9tat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitiveni_Rabuka

Another coup happened in 2006, the coup leader and the current prime minister, Frank Bainimarama, also have not bother to change their symbols.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Fijian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bainimarama
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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2022, 10:48:57 am »
About the current flag of Myanmar, it has been used since 21 October 2010. Than Shwe was still the military leader that time. He stepped down on 30 March 2011.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Myanmar
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Than_Shwe
« Last Edit: July 17, 2022, 10:50:58 am by Zhang Caizhi »

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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2022, 04:42:05 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/journalist-jailed-waving-british-hong-233029651.html

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A Hong Kong journalist was jailed after waving a British-Hong Kong flag when China’s national anthem was played at an Olympic award ceremony.

Paula Leung, 42, pleaded guilty to insulting the national anthem by waving the colonial-era flag as the medal ceremony for Hong Kong fencer Edgar Cheung was shown on a big screen at APM shopping mall on July 26, 2021.

On Thursday, the Kwun Tong magistrates’ court sent Leung to prison for three months. According to a magistrate, Leung “seriously disparaged the anthem and damaged the country’s dignity,” reported Channel News Asia. The conviction marks the first time an individual has been jailed for insulting the country’s national anthem.

Execution would have been better, but at least things are moving in the correct direction.

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Re: Flag decolonization
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2022, 01:39:06 am »