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« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2023, 03:19:49 pm »
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This is proving Islamic superiority above all kind of religions and philosophies. No every single religion which order its followers to against Western Civilization other than Islam

 Judeo Islam and national socialism/Hitlerism as well.

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« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2023, 02:38:27 am »
Continuing about north vs south India, while it is true that there is an intrinsic anti-Turanian undercurrent to the anti-North attitude in South India, this has unfortunately been coopted by some chauvinistic bigots, calling themselves "Dravidian nationalists", who consider all Hindi speakers to be Northerners and hence hostile to the South. This ignores the fact that there are many Hindi speakers even in the South. More importantly, this bigotry, as expressed in states such as Tamil Nadu, often targets even fellow Dravidian speakers from other Dravidian states such as Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, so it is not even Pan-Dravidian as one would think. This ideology is primarily pushed by False Leftist secular humanist progressivist Eurocentrist Gentiles who suffer from some sort of inferiority complex and think "Dravidian" is a race, similar to how Eurocentrist "Blacks" think.

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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2023, 01:54:36 pm »
Also, on the topic of Turanian blood memory, you mentioned earlier that it is possible for non-Eurocentrist "non-Whites" to be Westerners, especially those who have Turanian blood. But these Westerners would be rightists and not False Leftists, right?

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« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2023, 06:44:48 pm »
Firstly, responding to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/facial-turanism/msg17480/#msg17480

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Is Bollywood run by Crypto Jews/Turanians? What do you think?
After all, Bollywood has a history of negatively stereotyping/bigotry against South Indians.

But South Indian cinema does the same thing to itself!

https://www.quora.com/What-can-we-as-audience-do-to-promote-more-Tamil-heroines-like-Ramya-Pandian-Priya-Bhavani-and-Dhansika-instead-of-casting-Malayali-and-North-Indian-heroines

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“Don’t play under hot sun, you’ll get dark” - mom to daughter, “Your face looks dark, try this herbal facial” - conversation between female friends. “ Boy or girl , fair or dark” - conversation between family during childbirth. All these are natural casual conversation that happens everywhere in India without realising it's impact. It’s not about Tamil heroine, it’s about brown skin tone. You’re demanding a cultural change, not an industry preference. We’re ready to accept Amy Jackson as “tamil ponnu” in a saree but not PBS or Dhansika.

Racism and colorism are interconnected, the structural hierarchy places lighter skin on top compared to brown skin.
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Skin color is used as a significant factor to differentiate the characterisation of different roles in Tamil cinema. Casting patterns and dialogues are color coded. This is nothing but racialised skin based hierarchy that exists in society

I agree with this. It is just pervasive Eurocentrism.

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If you want to promote Tamil heroines - then promote Tamil skin tone among the society, treat them normal , redefine beauty standards, and celluloid will automatically follow.

Yes, but these very peope who call for redefining beauty standards aren't actually doing so! Yes, Jackson looks subhuman for sure:



but, the problem is, so do Pandian, Bhavani and Dhansika:







so promoting the latter, while it may be a decolonizing action, is no genuine improvement aesthetically! The only approach which will work is precisely the approach we have developed.

"while it is true that there is an intrinsic anti-Turanian undercurrent to the anti-North attitude in South India, this has unfortunately been coopted by some chauvinistic bigots, calling themselves "Dravidian nationalists""

The correct approach to anti-Turanism in India is to promote nostalgia for pre-Turanian Indus Valley civilization. However, the geographical location of Indus Valley civilization is itself in the northwest:



therefore Indian anti-Turanism should never have been categorically anti-north in the first place. Instead, we should claim that any good stuff in the north comes from Indus Valley civilization (as opposed to coming from the Vedics).

"Also, on the topic of Turanian blood memory, you mentioned earlier that it is possible for non-Eurocentrist "non-Whites" to be Westerners, especially those who have Turanian blood. But these Westerners would be rightists and not False Leftists, right?"

In theory, that would be the tendency. Of course, dealing with individuals, other influences could override this.
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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2023, 07:01:34 pm »
"But South Indian cinema does the same thing to itself!"
This could be attributed to Gentile Eurocentrism among the broader populace. In the north, however, I believe there is a Turanian element to this.

"therefore Indian anti-Turanism should never have been categorically anti-north in the first place."
But in the present-day context, as you have pointed out, the North is more Turanized than the South. So would you say this attitude is something that we could capitalize on?

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« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2023, 07:46:27 pm »
"But in the present-day context, as you have pointed out, the North is more Turanized than the South. So would you say this attitude is something that we could capitalize on?"

Sure, but acknowledging that the North was not inferior to the South until the Vedics arrived.

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« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2023, 04:57:07 am »
Also, I hate the linguistic chauvinism of Dravidianism. Yes, I agree that Indo-Aryan languages are more Turanized (Hindi has gendered nouns) than Dravidian languages, but that doesn't mean the speakers themselves are Turanians! Languages are learned, not inherited.

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« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2023, 05:03:43 am »
"Indo-Aryan"

Please do not use this term. Use "PIE-derivative".

 

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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2023, 05:15:55 am »
Ok. But what would you say is the solution to this linguistic chauvinism?

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« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2023, 05:42:21 am »
It is true that languages are learned, not inherited, but when someone knows multiple languages, which language they then prefer could indicate something about their blood memory. For example, if someone claims Hindi is superior for the very reason that it has gendered nouns, that individual can be labelled by us as inferior with certainty. This is very different from claiming that Hindi-speakers in general are inferior.

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« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2023, 07:14:50 pm »
Looking through Indian history, it seems Brahminism/casteism remained relatively low after the infusion of Sramanist ethics into Hinduism. But it seems that British colonialism has reinvigorated this sentiment. Previously I thought this was because of Eurocentrism, but as you have pointed out, Turanian supremacism is not heritably Eurocentric. For example, as you mentioned earlier, there are some Brahmins who claim that they are superior to non-Brahmins (including Whites) because of their IQ test scores. This is because the economic system of the colonial era afforded those with high IQ test scores high positions in the colonial bureaucracy. While some simply accepted these positions out of economic necessity, opportunistic Brahmins, particularly those with steppe blood memory, saw it as a way to gain tribal dominance and express their Turanian blood more profusely.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2023, 09:22:50 pm »
https://twitter.com/VatsRishap/status/1576181185176563714?s=20&t=VUL2fRr45ldSgvy_1uHq9Q
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Discovered a subset of Indian Twitter where conservatives, who are too tired of the extreme manifestation of 'decoloniality', become borderline apologists for the colonial overlords, displaying a very unhealthy level of nostalgia for the Raj, in particular the Victorian era.

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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2023, 10:35:29 pm »
Some good awareness in that thread:

https://twitter.com/laajardni/status/1576201475893604353

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Indians often don't realize how deeply have Victorian morality standards impacted our psyche. We today find a lot of things immoral not because of our traditions but how Victorian Brit scholars' interpreted them.

On the other hand, the following narrative is extremely troubling:

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I think they may be admirers (or blind admirers) of British "Ingenuity," not British Raj. They forget that Islamic invasion ensured that India was in no position to be a centre of excellence.

This makes it sound like a proposition that, in absence of the Dehli Sultanate, Mughal Empire, etc., India would have industrialized sooner than Britain, and that this would have been a good thing! This also implies that Britain is not to blame for anything it did with the power it gained from industrialization, and instead to blame are the ones who sidetracked India from (supposedly) doing the same even sooner!

I personally do not believe that India minus Islam would have industrialized sooner than Britain, but for the sake of argument, if I did believe this, that would be all the more reason to thank Islam for keeping India away from the mistake of industrialization! We should only be sad that Britain was not also Islamized (and hence also kept away from the same mistake).

Fundamentally, the problem with this kind of narrative is that, instead of seeing modernity as something that was never meant to exist (and thus Western civilization as a unique defiler of the world), it sees modernity as something inevitable (and thus Western civilization merely as the one which attained first what everyone was actually trying to attain all along). This latter mindset will never hate Western civilization because you cannot hate something if you fantasize about becoming that same thing.

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2023, 09:08:34 pm »
https://ilearntamil.com/gender-and-number/
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Plants , animals and other living things

Gender ( பால்)
Tamil language has only the natural gender ( only for human beings ) unlike other languages like Hindi which has grammatical genders.In human , Tamil language has Masculine and Feminine genders.All non-human nouns are referred in neutral gender except for animals like காளை ( bull ) and பசு ( cow ).

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Re: Indian attitudes
« Reply #59 on: January 30, 2023, 12:18:39 am »
https://twitter.com/TheEmissaryCo/status/1456487304646832129?s=20&t=8ba8poC0lJ4yTmOC4f12Zw
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Brahmins who unironically identify with the steppe and Dalits who think they are the aboriginals of the subcontinent are honestly made for each other.

2 sides of the same chutiya.

Leave the rest of us alone. We want nothing to do with your LARPing coping mechanisms. #WeWuz