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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #90 on: October 20, 2022, 12:35:44 am »
While in general I still support the current Iranian regime, I can’t help but feel that they deserve these protests in a way. Women in Iran should be allowed to not wear a hijab without fear of the mistreatment, cruelty or harassment that I’ve both read about and seen lately, because that choice is ultimately a non-violent one. I think that Iran is partially responsible for ruining its own image in the same way that the Eurocentric clown Xi Jinping doesn’t do China any favors either. While both of those countries have dealt with intense western smear campaigns, I think that Iran would be in a better position in terms of PR if the regime had made an attempt to stamp out some of the attitudes and behaviors that sparked this protest in the first place
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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2022, 01:52:29 am »
How sartorially colonized was pre-1979 Iran?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion_in_Iran

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Attempts at changing dress norms (and perspectives toward it) occurred in mid-1930s when pro-Western ruler Reza Shah issued a decree banning all veils.[9][10][11][12][13] Many types of male traditional clothing were also banned.[14][15][16]
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A far larger escalation of violence occurred in the summer of 1935 when Reza Shah ordered all men to wear European-style bowler hat, which was Western par excellence. This provoked massive non-violent demonstrations in July in the city of Mashhad.[19][10][12][14][15][16][20]
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Later, official measures relaxed slightly under next ruler and wearing of the headscarf or chador was no longer an offence, but for his regime it became a significant hindrance to climbing the social ladder as it was considered a badge of backwardness and an indicator of being a member of the lower class.[17]



In Iran, headscarfs are leftist:

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A few years prior to the Iranian revolution, a tendency towards questioning the relevance of Eurocentric gender roles as the model for Iranian society gained much ground among university students, and this sentiment was manifested in street demonstrations where many women from the non-veiled middle classes put on the veil[9][17][10][22][23] and symbolically rejected the gender ideology of Pahlavi regime and its aggressive deculturalization.[9][17][10][11][23] Wearing of headscarf and chador was one of main symbols of the 1979 revolution,[10][11][24][23] Wearing headscarves and chadors was used as a significant populist tool and Iranian veiled women played an important rule in the revolution's victory.[17][11][13]

Present-day False Leftists outside of Iran seem to have no awareness of this historical context. If you support the anti-headscarf protestors in Iran, you are supporting Eurocentrism!

And one more thing about Reza Eurocentrist Pahlavi:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Shah

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Reza Shah was the first Iranian Monarch in 1400 years who paid respect to the Jews by praying in the synagogue when visiting the Jewish community of Isfahan; an act that boosted the self-esteem of the Iranian Jews and made Reza Shah their second most respected Iranian leader after Cyrus the Great.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg15794/#msg15794

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg15960/#msg15960

Not surprised at Reza Shah, but he was better than his son and even tried to align with NS Germany.

Didn't you used to support Reza Shah over his son? I remember in the "National Socialism and Islam" article on Aryanism, the Shah of Iran was deposed by the UK and the USSR for aligning with NS Germany.

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The Shah of Iran was pro-Axis during WWII. (“The sound of German officers’ footsteps was heard on the shores of the Nile. Swastika flags were flying from the outskirts of Moscow to the peaks of the Caucasus Mountains. Iranian patriots eagerly awaited the arrival of their old allies.”)
Britain and the USSR forced the Shah to abdicate in favour of his son.
Death to the 14 Words, Long Live 88 (Heil Hitler).

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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2022, 02:09:06 am »
"that choice is ultimately a non-violent one"

If I choose to eat at a restaurant with an explicitly stated dress code, my duty to follow the dress code is in exchange for the expectation of seeing everyone else in the restaurant also follow the dress code (thereby collectively generating a particular visual look). This is non-violent.

Now, if someone shows up not following the dress code, while they are not preventing me from following the dress code myself, they are depriving me of seeing the visual look generated by everyone in the restaurant following the dress code, which is what I was expecting to get in exchange for following the dress code myself. This is violent.

Compare with speeding drivers. They may claim they are not violent because they are not forcing other drivers to speed. Yet they are depriving other drivers of road conditions where everyone drives below the speed limit, which is what the other drivers were expecting to get in exchange for driving below the speed limit themselves. Thus those who drive over the speed limit are indeed violent.

Someone who dislikes a given dress code/speed limit should choose a different restaurant/road:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg15768/#msg15768

This is conducive to folkish sorting. Absence of different rules in different locations, on the other hand, undermines folkish sorting.

(Homework: Are usurers violent?)

"he was better than his son"

I will be posting about his son shortly.
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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2022, 03:46:03 am »
"If I choose to eat at a restaurant with an explicitly stated dress code, my duty to follow the dress code is in exchange for the expectation of seeing everyone else in the restaurant also follow the dress code (thereby collectively generating a particular visual look). This is non-violent.

Now, if someone shows up not following the dress code, while they are not preventing me from following the dress code myself, they are depriving me of seeing the visual look generated by everyone in the restaurant following the dress code, which is what I was expecting to get in exchange for following the dress code myself. This is violent.

Compare with speeding drivers. They may claim they are not violent because they are not forcing other drivers to speed. Yet they are depriving other drivers of road conditions where everyone drives below the speed limit, which is what the other drivers were expecting to get in exchange for driving below the speed limit themselves. Thus those who drive over the speed limit are indeed violent.

Someone who dislikes a given dress code/speed limit should choose a different restaurant/road:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg15768/#msg15768

This is conducive to folkish sorting. Absence of different rules in different locations, on the other hand, undermines folkish sorting."

Exactly! It's that easy!

I would love to see a revival of Authentic Zoroastrianism in a place like Australia or New Zealand.

(Homework: Are usurers violent?)

"I will be posting about his son shortly."

To be fair, Khomeini wasn't too much better (he protected Jews and was funded by Israel!), but he did stand up to the USA and the USSR. Alhamdulillah, Khamenei is better than Khomeini though, especially with the loss of Saddam Hussein.

Saddam Hussein stood up to Israel more, and ultimately was brutally crushed.
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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2022, 04:31:28 am »
"Khomeini wasn't too much better"

Before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Israeli_independence_to_Iranian_revolution_(1947%E2%80%931979)

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After the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948, Israel and Iran maintained close ties. Iran was the second Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel[15] as a sovereign state after Turkey.[16][17] Israel viewed Iran as a natural ally as a non-Arab power on the edge of the Arab world, in accordance with David Ben Gurion's concept of an alliance of the periphery.

After:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Under_Khomeini_(1979%E2%80%931989)

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Following the Iranian Revolution and the fall of the Pahlavi dynasty in 1979, Iran adopted a sharp anti-Israel stance. Iran cut off all official relations with Israel;[29] official statements, state institutes, and events. Iran ceased to accept Israeli passports, and the holders of Iranian passports were banned from travelling to "the occupied Palestine"’.[30] The Israeli Embassy in Tehran was closed and handed over to the PLO.[31] Ayatollah Khomeini declared Israel an "enemy of Islam" and the "Little Satan".[32]

Is this not a significant improvement?

"he did stand up to the USA and the USSR."

If anything, Khomeini's mistake was to be unnecessarily hostile to the USA, thus pushing it closer to Israel. Khomeini made the same mistake with the USA back then as Biden is making with China now (pushing it closer to Russia).

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« Reply #95 on: October 26, 2022, 05:42:54 pm »
The ultimate motivation of the anti-regime protests is Eurocentrism:

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Wedding dress shopping in Tehran in 1986: "The wedding dresses on display are all western

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_dress#Western_culture

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The first documented instance of a princess who wore a white wedding dress for a royal wedding ceremony is that of Philippa of England, who wore a tunic with a cloak in white silk bordered with squirrel and ermine in 1406, when she married Eric of Pomerania.[1][2]
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White became a popular option in 1840, after the marriage of Queen Victoria to Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, when Victoria wore a white gown trimmed with Honiton lace. Illustrations of the wedding were widely published, and many brides opted for white in accordance with the Queen's choice.[6]

What was happening in Iran during the Victorian era?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations

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In fact, Iran's current southern and eastern boundaries were determined by none other than the British during the Anglo-Persian War (1856 to 1857). After repelling Nasereddin Shah's attack in Herat in 1857, the British government assigned Frederic John Goldsmid of the Indo-European Telegraph Department to determine the borders between Persia and India during the 1860s.[5]

In 1872, the Shah signed an agreement with Baron Julius de Reuter, which George Nathaniel Curzon called "The most complete and extraordinary surrender of the entire industrial resources of a kingdom into foreign hands that has ever been dreamed of".[6]

And yes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_John_Goldsmid

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British people of Dutch-Jewish descent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Reuter

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Reuter was born as Israel Beer Josaphat in Kassel, Electorate of Hesse (now part of the Federal Republic of Germany).[4] His father, Samuel Levi Josaphat, was a rabbi.
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In November 1891, Queen Victoria granted him (and his subsequent male-line successors) the right to use that German title (listed as Baron von Reuter) in Britain.[1][10]
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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #96 on: October 28, 2022, 12:34:11 pm »
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Reuter was born as Israel Beer Josaphat in Kassel, Electorate of Hesse (now part of the Federal Republic of Germany).[4] His father, Samuel Levi Josaphat, was a rabbi.
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In November 1891, Queen Victoria granted him (and his subsequent male-line successors) the right to use that German title (listed as Baron von Reuter) in Britain.[1][10]

Example of Jews tainting a great last name: (Minus the 'rider' part of course, lol!)
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(German) One who cleared land for tilling.
— Dictionary of American Family Names (1956) by Elsdon Coles Smith
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Rutter or Roter, is the name of an ancient and influential family of Kingsley, where they owned considerable estates from the 13th to the 17th century (O.). The name of Rutter is now best represented amongst the farmers around Tarporley, which is only some seven or eight miles from Kingsley, so that we may repeat the remark made by Ormerod about 70 years ago "that the descendants are still living (as yeomen) and day labourers within the precincts of the feudal power of their ancestors." The name is also established in the counties of Northumberland, Durham, and Lincoln, and in the North and East Ridings of Yorkshire. As Rotar, Rotur, and Ruter, often preceded by "Le," it occurred in Shropshire, Oxfordshire, Hertfordshire, and in other counties in the 13th century (H. R.). Rutter is the old German word for a soldier (L.).
https://forebears.io/surnames/reuter#meaning

Back to the Iran topic:
Iran says it won’t remain ‘indifferent’ if Russian use of its drones is proven
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As West says evidence mounting of Moscow-Tehran military alliance, Iran’s FM claims he’s ‘against arming both Russia and Ukraine’
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“I stressed to Mr. Borrell that if… it becomes clear to us that Russia has used Iranian drones in the war against Ukraine, we will definitely not be indifferent about this issue.”
Entire article: https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-says-it-wont-remain-indifferent-if-russian-use-of-its-drones-is-proven/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end

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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #97 on: October 28, 2022, 12:35:57 pm »
Going to repost that last part in the Iran thread, didn't realize we were in a different thread here at first...

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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #98 on: November 02, 2022, 07:35:36 pm »
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/chemical-hair-straighteners-study-black-women-rcna54126

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Racism kills, and a new study on the potentially harmful effects of chemical hair straighteners has shown the paradox many nonwhite people face when forced to conform to white beauty standards.

Late last week, the National Institutes of Health released findings from a study that suggested women who use chemical hair straighteners could have a higher risk of developing uterine cancer than those who do not use them.

As NBC News reported:

    Women using chemical hair-straightening products are at a higher risk of uterine cancer than women who reported not using them, a new study by the National Institutes of Health found. Researchers noted that Black women may have a higher risk because they are more likely to use such products more frequently. A group of researchers with the NIH’s National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences looked at the hair care habits of more than 33,000 women and found that those who used chemical hair straightening products at least four times a year were more than twice as likely to develop uterine cancer.

Studies like this are precisely why activists and lawmakers have been demanding full passage of the Crown Act, a federal bill that would ban discrimination based on hair style and texture. The House passed the bill in March, but the Senate hasn't yet voted on it.

Conservatives like Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert, who mocked the Crown Act as the “bad hair bill,” have, ironically, made the argument for its necessity with their insulting actions.

Rest assured: Many Black people know not to take style advice from oppressive white folks like Boebert. But because people like her wield outsize influence in American society, many Black folks are forced to conform to a look they wouldn’t be caught dead wearing otherwise, just to gain access to jobs, competitive schools and anything else that could be kept from them.

It's what inspired me, in 2019, to create Black Hair Defined, a multimedia project designed to celebrate Black hairstyles, highlight their cultural significance, and encourage the Black people wearing them to reject claims about these styles’ inferiority.

Thank you!

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Mandating or encouraging Black people to comb out their hair kinks could put them in harm's way — both mentally and physically. Ultimately, it’s a sick offer to make: “Black folks, you may be accepted into our exclusive groups if you agree to cover your head in cancer-causing chemicals. And to our liking, please — you know how we feel about frizz.”

This new study reinforces the very real dangers posed by hair discrimination. The Crown Act is needed now more than ever.

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Re: Dress decolonization
« Reply #99 on: November 08, 2022, 05:11:00 pm »
Mainstream journalism beginning to perceive what we perceive:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cop27-leaders-dress-business-egypt-194629724.html

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For the official group photo at the opening ceremony on Monday, political leaders and representatives from 190 countries posed in their best formal suits to debate climate change adaptation, climate finance, decarbonization, agriculture and biodiversity over the next week.
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a majority of the leaders opted for the safe, classic suit in black, navy and gray.

The standouts at the summit were the leaders from the Arabian Peninsula and African continent wearing traditional dress from their native countries.


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“It seems the western world is out-of-date, in stark contrast to those who are clearly proud of their culture.”

This is the kind of article we need more of.