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« on: July 04, 2020, 03:16:15 am »
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"as far as anti-Zionism goes, I don't think nukes are the way to go. The blast and remaining radiation would most likely kill things that shouldn't be killed."

Will Israel listen to you?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

You are letting them outbluff you. Israel will only be destroyed when we do not care about any number of deaths so long as strategically sufficient Jewish deaths are included in that number.

As a True Leftist, I think in terms of poetic justice. It is profoundly unfair that the end of the nuclear era can arrive in such a way that the very civilization which invented nukes can avoid getting hit by any, while only those which had nothing to do with bringing nukes into the world are those to have been hit by them. For poetic justice, the end of the nuclear era (which I too long for) must be preceded by nuclear strikes on Western targets.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Szilard

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Leo Szilard (/ˈsɪlɑːrd/; Hungarian: Szilárd Leó [ˈsilaːrd ˈlɛoː]; born Leó Spitz; February 11, 1898 – May 30, 1964) was a Hungarian-German-American physicist and inventor. He conceived the nuclear chain reaction in 1933, patented the idea of a nuclear reactor with Enrico Fermi in 1934, and in late 1939 wrote the letter for Albert Einstein's signature that resulted in the Manhattan Project that built the atomic bomb.
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Born as Leó Spitz in Budapest, Kingdom of Hungary, on February 11, 1898. His middle-class Jewish parents

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller

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Edward Teller (Hungarian: Teller Ede; January 15, 1908 – September 9, 2003) was a Hungarian-American theoretical physicist who is known colloquially as "the father of the hydrogen bomb",
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Ede Teller was born on January 15, 1908, in Budapest, Hungary (then part of Austria-Hungary), into a Jewish family.

The only countries I have so far called for nuking, although for other reasons, happen to be precisely Hungary and Israel. Poetic justice would be satisfied with these two targets alone. But should Israel respond with the Samson Option, I would have no poetic justice problem with Britain and France being hit by Israeli nukes:

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The film reveals how France helped Israel on its nuclear programme in exchange for support in the Suez War. In the mid-1950s, relations between the two countries were warming because of their shared anxiety over burgeoning nationalist movements in North Africa.
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The agreement with France was unprecedented. Until then, no country had supplied another with the means for developing a nuclear capability.

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The UK supplied Israel with quantities of plutonium while Harold Wilson was prime minister, BBC Newsnight can reveal.
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Under Wilson, Britain also sold Israel tons of chemicals used to make boosted atom bombs 20 times more powerful than Hiroshima or even Hydrogen Bombs.

In Harold Macmillan's time the UK supplied uranium 235 and the heavy water which allowed Israel to start up its nuclear weapons production plant at Dimona - heavy water which British intelligence estimated would allow Israel to make "six nuclear weapons a year".

Even the US can hardly complain about being hit by Israeli nukes, considering the vast quantity of money it has given to Israel over the decades, no doubt at least part of which was used to build Israeli nukes, not to mention the US itself being the state which not only funded both Szilard's and Teller's research but also decided to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki (which Britain also approved):

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Agreement

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"I'm perfectly fine with the idea of using drones (provided that their use is proven to speed up the war) to annihilate Israel,"

How? Israel itself is the world leader in military drones, and increasing their lead every day:

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Since 1985, Israel has accounted for the majority (60.7%) of drone exports worldwide.

www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2015/mar/16/numbers-behind-worldwide-trade-in-drones-uk-israel

"and then destroying the blueprints to them."

This is another thing about the information age: anything that has ever been saved on a computer (or digitally photographed etc.) can be endlessly copied, shared and retrieved around the world. If you think you are destroying blueprints, you are probably only destroying your own copy! This is the unending nightmare we live in (known as Western civilization). I have pondered over this issue (how to permanently destroy unwanted knowledge) for a long time myself, and at present I am leaning towards the conclusion that the only reliable way is to breed future generations which will biologically have no interest in learning such knowledge even if they were to come across it (recall Tolkien's description of Hobbits: "no understanding of machinery more complicated than the watermill, forge bellows, and the hand loom"), rather than solely relying on chasing down every last informational copy of the knowledge. Even if the latter approach succeeds, we cannot be sure the knowledge will not be figured out from scratch again in the future, just as it was figured out from scratch the first time, if we leave the same gene pool around for long enough. Only the former approach of biologically eliminating the complexifying tendency - what rightists call (with positive connotations) the "Promethean/Faustian impulse" - is radical enough to do the job.

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Spoken like a true Westerner:

news.yahoo.com/heres-why-pilot-enola-gay-135700366.html

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Early in the morning of August 6, 1945, a US Air Force B-29 Superfortress, the Enola Gay, took off from its base in Tinian, near Guam, and headed for the city of Hiroshima in southern Japan.

It was carrying a 9,700-pound top-secret bomb named Little Boy. Its pilot was Paul W. Tibbets Jr., who led a crew of 12 men on a mission that would change the history of the world.
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In a blinding flash, and with temperatures as hot as the sun, the bomb detonated. It destroyed a 5-mile radius, killing an estimated 80,000 people.

Tens of thousands more later died of radiation sickness and injuries.
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As for the loss of civilian lives, Tibbets, who died in 2007, was unrepentant.

"You're gonna kill innocent people at the same time, but we've never fought a damn war anywhere in the world where they didn't kill innocent people," he told Terkel.

"If the newspapers would just cut out the s---: 'You've killed so many civilians.' That's their tough luck for being there."

This is why I keep teaching False Leftists that "hate" is the most wrongheaded word possible for describing the Western attitude. It is simply indifference.

By the way, the Western attitude is in the process of returning. This is why it is crucial for us to win politically in as many nuclear-armed states as possible. Currently the only nukes I consider to be in safe hands are those in North Korea, Pakistan and China.

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The wonders of Western civilization on display:

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/10/russian-nuclear-agency-confirms-role-in-rocket-test-explosion

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Russia’s nuclear energy agency has said an explosion that caused radiation levels to spike in the Arkhangelsk region was caused by an accident during a test of an “isotope power source for a liquid-fuelled rocket engine”.

In a statement released late on Friday, Rosatom said five of its employees had died as a result of the accident and three more were being treated for burns.

The statement was the first confirmation that the agency was involved in the incident, which briefly drove radiation levels up to 20 times their normal levels in the nearby city of Severodvinsk.

Rosatom’s description of the incident could indicate it was testing the nuclear-powered cruise missile Burevestnik mentioned during a speech by Vladimir Putin last year.
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The explosion caused radiation levels to rise for about half an hour in Severodvinsk, contradicting official ministry of defence claims that there had been no rise in radiation levels. Severodvinsk removed a statement confirming the spike in radiation levels from its website, saying the ministry was managing the response to the incident.

While local officials urged calm, residents in several cities stocked up on iodine, which is often used to limit the effects of radiation exposure.

Russia also closed a bay in the White Sea to civilian traffic for a month, driving speculation that either the water had been contaminated or that a search operation was being launched.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/

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www.axios.com/trump-nuclear-bombs-hurricanes-97231f38-2394-4120-a3fa-8c9cf0e3f51c.html

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President Trump has suggested multiple times to senior Homeland Security and national security officials that they explore using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes from hitting the United States, according to sources who have heard the president's private remarks and been briefed on a National Security Council memorandum that recorded those comments.

Behind the scenes: During one hurricane briefing at the White House, Trump said, "I got it. I got it. Why don't we nuke them?" according to one source who was there. "They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they're moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?" the source added, paraphrasing the president's remarks.

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www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/10/14/with-turkeys-invasion-of-syria-concerns-mount-over-nukes-at-incirlik/

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The Air Force on Monday said it has made no changes to daily operations at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey even as Turkish forces continue to push into Syrian territory, which has prompted U.S. forces to pull back.

But concerns are growing over the reported presence of U.S. nuclear weapons at Incirlik, believed to be about 50 B61 gravity bombs. The New York Times on Monday reported that officials from the State and Energy departments over the weekend reviewed plans for evacuating the nuclear weapons there.
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A senior official reportedly told the Times that the weapons “were now essentially [Turkish President Recep] Erdogan’s hostages” since removing the weapons would effectively spell the end of America’s alliance with Turkey, but keeping them there would leave them vulnerable.
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The presence of nuclear weapons at Incirlik, though never publicly confirmed or denied by the U.S. government, has long been essentially an open secret. It became even less of a secret earlier this year when a Canadian senator published, apparently by accident, a document containing the bases where the United States is keeping nuclear weapons.

If I were in charge, I would simply leave the nukes to Turkey as a gift, or more accurately as compensation for having to tolerate US troops on its territory all this time.

prophecyinthenews.com/world_news/erdogan-whoever-is-on-israels-side-we-are-against-them/

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former Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James would not confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons there. But, hypothetically speaking, she said that if nuclear weapons did have to be removed from that base, it would be a complicated operation. It would require negotiations with the nation that would become the weapons’ new host, James said.

Iran would be the obvious best choice (and again the nukes should be a gift in apology for all the sanctions and slander it has had to endure).

Either of the moves I suggested would immediately and massively reduce anti-American prejudice among the enemies of Israel worldwide, much like how Operation Deliberate Force sharply improved America's image back in the 90s (until ruined again by the post-9/11 invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq). Of course it won't happen now. I do not, however, consider it beyond the limits of possibility that something like this could happen under a future Blue government so long as the anti-Zionist Blue takeover continues as planned.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12fiAIyfYtA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjNE_X5zmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oZo_5rFgPM

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Re: WMDs
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2020, 12:58:07 pm »
US has to shut down biowarfare labs to save the world from pandemics
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"But the other aspect, which is completely blacked out and censored from the corporate-controlled mainstream media here in the West, is that this crisis is a lesson to the entire world that we need to address the problem of biological weapons. This may or may not be a deliberate biological weapon attack; it may or may not be an accidental release of a biological weapon. There are strong arguments for both possibilities..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qwhnBl-Gc

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2020, 01:08:15 pm »
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Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow—it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?

Jewish logic: Because the entire world hates Jews the world is wrong and should be punished. Never do Jews arrive at any genuine realization that Jewishness is actually wrong. Occasionally some make overtures in that general direction. The term anti-Semitism is a misnomer and a lie when used solely in the context of anti-Jewishness because most Semitic peoples are not Jewish. Jewish identity is racist, so Jews calling out anti-Jews for anti-Semitism is akin to "white nationalists" calling anti-Whites anti-Racists. Anti-Racism is inherently anti-White and anti-Jewish if it is indeed genuine anti-Racism because both whiteness and Jewishness are racist identities.

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We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

Israel, World's Worst Nuclear Outlaw, Sics IAEA on Iran
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Iran says the US and Israel are seeking to undermine the “constructive cooperation” between the country and the UN nuclear agency by forcing the latter to act outside its purview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSFpQrMntiA









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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2020, 02:24:39 am »
What an EMP attack would look like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPzIWsdnj0w

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Re: WMDs
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2021, 01:36:08 pm »
Is There a Double Standard on Nuclear Programmes?
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The US has been at the forefront in trying to derail Iran’s nuclear ambitions.  Crippling sanctions have devastated Iran’s economy. Israel has also been a leading critic of Tehran and has threatened to strike Iran’s nuclear sites. But the Associated Press recently reported that Israel’s own nuclear facility is expanding. Why hasn’t the international community scrutinized Israel’s programme as much as it has Iran’s?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AxzQuJRQuk

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2021, 05:17:19 pm »
“Immoral & Illegal”: US & UK Move to Expand Nuclear Arsenals, Defying Global Disarmament Treaties
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The United States and the United Kingdom are facing international criticism for moving to expand their nuclear arsenals, defying a growing global movement in support of nuclear disarmament. The U.S. is planning to spend $100 billion to develop a new nuclear missile which could travel 6,000 miles carrying a warhead 20 times stronger than the one dropped on Hiroshima, while British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has just announced plans to lift the cap on its nuclear stockpile, ending three decades of gradual nuclear disarmament in the U.K. “We’re seeing this united, uniform response of nuclear-armed states to what the rest of the world is calling for, which is the total elimination of nuclear weapons,” says Alicia Sanders-Zakre, a policy and research coordinator at the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV9OiU1ibPI

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2021, 10:07:39 pm »
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US & UK Move to Expand Nuclear Arsenals

All the more reason that Demographic Blueshift and Operation Gaddafi must succeed. Then we will control these two arsenals. On the other hand, if they fail:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-we-lose/

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2021, 02:43:17 pm »
Russia is testing its newest 'super-weapon' in the Arctic
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CNN's Nick Paton Walsh reports on the build up of Russian military bases and hardware on the country's Arctic coastline, which houses some new high tech weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WqMgSKk9Mw

Here's The Six Super Weapons Putin Unveiled During Fiery Address
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The Russian president said "you listen to us now" as he boasted about nuclear-powered cruise missile, hypersonic weapons, nuclear torpedoes, and more.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18906/heres-the-six-super-weapons-putin-unveiled-during-fiery-address


We're listening to you Putin. We know how important "whiteness" is to you and your fellow Russian's. It's just as important to you as it is to the racists in the other Western countries that good people are currently confronting and trying to get rid of. We hear you loud and clear you racist piece of ****!

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2021, 02:11:48 pm »
Is Nuclear War Inevitable?
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The world can be a scary place. We may feel safer than we did during the cold war, but in reality the dangers we face today are perhaps even greater. We have two economic superpowers, both armed with nuclear weapons, locked in a new cold war over global economic superiority. Will we be able to avoid nuclear war, or is it only a matter of time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq2AADwsr7k

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2021, 09:57:59 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-soldiers-revealed-locations-nuclear-171839382.html

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“These bombs are stored at six US and European bases - Kleine Brogel in Belgium, Büchel in Germany, Aviano and Ghedi-Torre in Italy, Volkel in The Netherlands, and Incirlik in Turkey,” one line read, according to the Belgian newspaper De Morgen.

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2021, 03:04:51 am »
Yes, it is daunting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkMlLkCRmRQ

All the more reason to get started ASAP!

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2021, 09:50:29 pm »
OK, this deserves some attention:

https://barenakedislam.com/2021/10/29/why-is-joe-biden-likely-to-approve-adoption-of-a-no-first-use-or-sole-purpose-nuclear-strike-policy/

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The Biden Administration is reportedly considering changing the long-standing U.S. nuclear declaratory policy of calculated ambiguity to one of “no first use” (NFU) or “sole purpose.” Under an NFU or sole-purpose policy, the United States would pledge never to use nuclear weapons first in a conflict, including in response to chemical, biological, cyber, or massive conventional attacks.

In a spring 2020 Foreign Affairs article, then-presidential candidate Joe Biden expressed his support for sole purpose and said that he would “work to put that belief into practice, in consultation with the U.S. military and U.S. allies.”

Many believe this change would carry real risk, including the erosion of deterrence against adversary aggression and reduction of allies’ confidence in extended U.S. deterrence commitments. Through the years, a large number of senior officials and allies have voiced their opposition to NFU or sole purpose.

I agree with our enemies' opposition to NFU, because we will need to nuke Israel and Turandom (V4+).

If I were advising Biden, I would propose a modified NFU that applies only to former fellow victims of Western colonialism. This would both fulfill the intended purpose of reassuring these countries that the US will not nuke them, while leaving the US open to nuking Western countries as necessary. (Refer to first post in this topic.)

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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2022, 11:16:14 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-says-putin-needs-understand-200450977.html

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France says Putin needs to understand NATO has nuclear weapons

PARIS (Reuters) -France's foreign minister said that Russian President Vladimir Putin, when making threats about using nuclear weapons, needs to understand that NATO, too, is a nuclear alliance

But will NATO use its nukes?

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but he ruled out NATO-led military intervention to defend Ukraine.

If you won't use them, it is no different than not having them. And Putin understands that too.

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Asked whether Europe and NATO could continue to rule out a military response despite the presence of Russian soldiers in Ukraine and Putin's threat of nuclear apocalypse, Le Drian said sanctions will be more efficient.

Then why doesn't the headline say, "France says Putin needs to understand that NATO has sanctions"? Please stop the bullshitting FFS.....

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2022, 11:37:22 pm »
Putin may NOT be a survivalist as all the NATO member states and their leader's obviously are....

The only way a survivalist can survive a militarist is by the survivalist killing the militarist first. But never forget that it is the survivalist that fears death, not the militarist whose only goal is fulfilling their mission at all costs.

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According to the folks at TLDR News EU, at a 1% chance of nuclear war there will be nuclear war within 89 years. At the 5% chance of nuclear war that we are estimated to be currently at, we have 14 years until there is a nuclear war.