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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2021, 10:43:28 pm »
"Do you understand the difference between these two?"

I was thinking about it right after I wrote the post! I realized that even Gentiles, who usually overpower their prey (human and non-human) with brute physical strength, can use this blood memory in the psychological realm as well. I was specifically thinking about how Gentiles purposefully engage in intellectual sophistry by only attacking strawman arguments,  demoralizing the character of the other side, thereby ensuring they always "win" the argument by making themselves look smarter to the observer. This is an example of them using dishonourable tactics (i.e. cunningness) to unfairly outwit their opponent. I believe the Gentiles who brag about the superior weaponry of "Whites" being able to subdue "non-Whites" also fall into this category, as they are drawing on their blood memory and are merely viewing "non-Whites" as prey.

"(Bottom line: let's not ever underestimate any of our enemies; it's just a bad habit.)"
Okay. I was hoping their might be some weaknesses that we could exploit..

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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2021, 10:58:40 pm »
"dishonourable tactics (i.e. cunningness)"

I wouldn't say 1) is dishonourable. For example, in duelling, feinting would be 1). This is not dishonourable, since it is something that occurs wholly inside the domain of the mutually agreed battle. What would be dishonourable would be something like pretending to surrender and then ambushing, since this is based on causing confusion about the limits of the domain of battle. But this would be 2), since it exploits the target's trust.

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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2021, 11:02:13 pm »
Okay, then what would you call Gentiles who use 1) in a debate? I was thinking of using "cowardly", since the "domain" is always unfairly tilted in their favor.
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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2021, 11:44:06 pm »
"use 1) in a debate"

That would just be setting traps, enticing the opponent to pursue a line of argument that you have prepared to counter. That is not dishonourable.

But ultimately debating is a messy field to apply the above to, as it involves appealing to a third party (the audience) rather than being solely between the adversaries. It would probably make more sense to consider the sophist to be exploiting the audience's trust, in your words:

"by making themselves look smarter to the observer."

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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2021, 01:55:52 am »
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"Do you believe most Westerners today possess more Giant or Turanian blood?"

It seems genetic studies suggest Westerners have much more Turanian blood than Giant blood. However, a word of caution is that these studies are measuring the overall amount of DNA--which is mostly just junk DNA.

In terms of phenotype, physical anthropologists in the pre-DNA days certainly saw a strong continuity between ancient Paleolithic skull morphology and present-day Westerners. So, perhaps there is more Turanian (and Neolithic) junk DNA in Europe, but it would be difficult to examine only the genes encoding for personality traits and other characteristics to make a determination as to whether Turanian or Giant traits have more prevalence.


https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14317

Another warning is that the proportion of blood probably varies greatly between individuals--perhaps some individuals today have almost completely Paleolithic ancestry, but if the graphs are averaged out over an entire population, this might get drowned out.

(I would give an additional warning that just because the Sardinians are the modern group with the most Neolithic ancestry on the chart, this doesn't necessary mean they are more noble than the other populations. Apparently herding has been a major part of their economy there for many generations. So, even if they inherited most of their junk DNA from Neolithic farming ancestors 5,000+ years ago, doesn't mean they continued the same lifestyle and attitudes into the present.)

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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2021, 02:13:05 am »
Gentile "art":




Gentiles apparently found hunting so worthy of glorifying that they decided to make "art" depicting their endeavors.
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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2021, 05:34:03 am »
Gentile "art"

To be fair, I have no problem with the art style as such. From a purely aesthetic point of view, I actually do like these paintings due to their simplicity and abundance of empty space.

Gentiles apparently found hunting so worthy of glorifying that they decided to make "art" depicting their endeavors.

This is the actual issue. Instead of siding with the innocent, distressed prey, as we would...

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...they choose to side with the predators going after them like a gang of typical high school bullies.

In other words, the ignobility of these cave paintings isn't a matter of their style nor their substance, but the artists' interpretation of the latter. Whereas we would frame them as depicting the brutality of hunting, Gentiles frame them as depicting its glory.
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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2021, 10:03:13 am »
I see! We could use them to illustrate the inferiority of Gentiles!

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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2021, 01:48:40 pm »
I see! We could use them to illustrate the inferiority of Gentiles!

I actually like the thought that these paintings influenced at least some of our ancestors in their decision to reject their more primitive contemporaries' violent lifestyle. I strongly believe that empathy and artistic sensitivity are intrinsically linked. Graphic hunting depictions such as your examples or this painting...

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...would surely convince anyone with the slightest sense of compassion that hunting is evil, even if they had no conception of the prey's suffering before!
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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2021, 01:57:09 pm »
"Gentiles frame them as depicting its glory."

To support this point, we could also note that cave paintings depicting gathering are far rarer (in fact I myself have yet to come across one!) If hunting scenes were painted purely as a celebration of being able to obtain food, we would at least expect gathering scenes to also have been painted with similar frequency. That the latter were not suggests, as you say, that the emphasis was on glory, whereupon indeed gathering scenes would not have been painted as gathering is generally much less difficult/dangerous.

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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2021, 06:53:08 pm »
What "Native Americans" (Paleo-Indian Gentiles) ate before "Europeans" arrived:

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2021, 12:21:11 pm »
Lobster Diver survives after being swallowed by Humpback Whale:


Demiurge strikes again...

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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2021, 12:23:00 am »
This **** has happened before!


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« Reply #28 on: June 14, 2021, 12:47:31 am »
Wow! History sure repeats itself, doesn't it?

Cape Cod lobster diver’s Jonah moment
https://www.nationalfisherman.com/northeast/cape-cod-lobster-diver-s-jonah-moment

BTW, note his facial expression:

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Re: Gentilism
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2021, 03:59:44 am »
https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/case-closed-35-000-year-old-murder-of-a-bear-finally-solved-1.9885375

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About 35,000 years ago, a bear died in a cave in Siberia. It was a small cave bear – also known as the Russian cave bear, even though the first specimen was found in Britain. The problem was that the small cave bear wasn’t alone in the cave. Apparently a human was there and speared the bear in the head, possibly while it was in a hibernation stupor, scientists suspect.
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Large cave bears could rear up to more than 3 meters (nearly 10 feet) in height. Small ones were also probably best killed while asleep. But it bears adding that they seem to have been vegetarian, unlikely to have been hunting the humans for food for themselves.

So what have we here? In a cave, a vegetarian small cave bear died 35,000 years ago in the sort of cave people also liked to occupy.

35000 years later:



























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