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Cthens

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Aryan Migrations
« on: December 11, 2020, 12:20:43 am »
It seems like everywhere I look things on this site get proven or otherwise solidified.  This link shows to Puntian migration.

https://www.balanta.org/history/reviewing-the-sudanictanihisi-origins-of-the-balanta
« Last Edit: March 14, 2021, 08:00:36 pm by Cthens »

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Re: Aryan Migrations
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2021, 01:30:52 am »
Does Aryanism believe that the Aryan bloodlines (Puntians, Dilmun, Suryavanshi, etc.) are all the same (i.e. they all share a common ancestor) or that they evolved independently?
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Re: Aryan Migrations
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2021, 01:59:23 am »
In general, the latter. In the case of regions not too distant from each other, the possibility of common ancestry is arguable, but is never necessary for our model to be true.

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Re: Aryan Migrations
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2021, 03:24:09 am »
While I personally believe all Neolithic cultures had independent origins, I am open to the possibility that they all share a common ancestor, perhaps even an extraterrestrial one. Although I will say that such theories are often foppery, and are not worth the time.

Ultimately it is about whether you choose to believe in evolution vs. whether you choose to believe in creationism.

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Re: Aryan Migrations
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2021, 10:07:16 pm »
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Does Aryanism believe that the Aryan bloodlines (Puntians, Dilmun, Suryavanshi, etc.) are all the same (i.e. they all share a common ancestor) or that they evolved independently?

Based on skeletal data, pre-1950s anthropologists seemed to believe the ectomorphic, narrow-skulled Neolithic populations which lived in the areas spanning from Sweden to Ethiopia and from Portugal to India were similar enough to likely share a common ancestor, presumably from before the Neolithic/farming first began. I don't know to what extent genetic data backs up this hypothesis.

If this is accurate, then it would suggest most of the populations underwent convergent evolution towards Aryan traits after they each developed farming. Some of them are related due to migration (such as the Fertile Crescent population which gave rise to the Cardial ware culture in the Mediterranean and Linear Pottery culture in the Danube basin).


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Re: Aryan Migrations
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2022, 03:17:29 am »
https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/neolithic-revolution-anatolia-0017202

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Through a careful analysis of DNA mixtures, scientists were able to trace the movements of people across the Near Eastern landscape in the early Neolithic . They found that migration into Anatolia coincided with critical developments in farming techniques and practices in that region during that period, suggesting that farmers from nearby lands were instrumental somehow in the advancement.

The scientists discovered that in the Pre-Pottery era (approximately 10000 to 6500 BC, with regional variations), farmers originally from Mesopotamian migrated to Anatolia and intermixed with the locals quite freely. About the time pottery was first invented, around 7000 BC (there is some overlap between the Pre-Pottery and Pottery eras), another wave of farmers from Mesopotamia moved into Anatolia, along with other farming migrants from the Levant
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The discovery that people were entering Anatolia at the exact moment the Neolithic Revolution was accelerating is highly significant. This is certainly no coincidence, as the combined efforts of the different population groups to improve their farming methodologies would have made rapid agricultural advancement far more likely to occur.
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One thing the researchers can say for sure is that the migration into Anatolia occurred on an impressively large scale. They can’t determine the precise numbers of migrants who entered, but their study found residents of ancient Anatolia in the relevant periods had a genetic heritage that included between 30 and 50 percent Mesopotamian and/or the Levantine DNA. The migrants must have been welcomed by the locals, who undoubtedly appreciated and benefitted from their agricultural theories and practices.

Even assuming the unlikely scenario that the immigrants were pure Dilmun/Byblos type Aryans, the remaining 50-70% Gentile blood would suffice to account for the bad behaviour noted here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/uneducable-gentiles/msg1187/#msg1187