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Turanian sexism
« on: July 10, 2020, 12:55:55 am »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8501293/Bronze-Age-sexism-trickled-HORSES-stallions-outnumbering-mares-3-1.html

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Sexism emerged during the Bronze Age and extended to HORSES as stallions became more popular than mares because they symbolised masculinity, power and strength
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There was an even balance of male and female horses throughout the later Stone Age, but 3,900 years ago there was a dramatic shift towards stallions over mares.

The authors say this 'closely mirrors' the change in humans who had no clear binary gender structure during the Neolithic - but it became the norm by the Bronze Age.

Previous studies found there was no meaningful difference in the capability of stallions or mares despite experienced riders preferring male horses.
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Antoine Fages, a paleogenomicist at Paul Sabatier University in Toulouse said at the time men were also being shown in artwork and buried differently to women.

He said this suggests that a new 'vision of gender' started during this period, likely spurred by societal and technological changes.

Researchers say this change in gender vision and a rise in male status came as long-distance trading networks and metal production led to new social hierarchies.

Class divisions began to shine through between the metal workers, warriors and rulers which then led to distinctions between men and women, Fages says.

As society became more male dominated they likely applied this to their animals, including the horses they opted to ride - believing stallions were more powerful.

The authors wrote that the male horses may have had 'symbolic attributes then associated with masculinity, mounted warriors and chariotry, such as power, protection and strength'.

Fages says that if this is true it suggests ideas about gender status may have shaped human and animal worlds for thousands of years and into the modern day.

I told you so.

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Re: Turanian sexism
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2020, 05:00:20 pm »
BTW, I propose we start classifying Turanians as "white" since WNs are eager to claim them as theirs. This in turn will solidify our narrative that Aryanism = anti-Whiteness = anti-Turanism, thereby demolishing the myth that Turanians are "Aryans".

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2020, 01:39:16 am »
"I propose we start classifying Turanians as "white""

I disagree. Doing so would confuse our existing message that "whiteness" did not exist before the Renaissance.

Turanians typically only cared about the Turanian patrilineal bloodline. The offspring of a Turanian father and a non-Turanian mother is Turanian, whereas the offspring of a Turanian mother and a non-Turanian father is non-Turanian. Their breeding strategy has typically been for Turanian men to impregnate both Turanian and (especially) non-Turanian women in as large numbers as possible, thereby displacing non-Turanian male bloodlines around the world. In other words, Turanian racism is directed against non-Turanian men only. This is quite different from "white" racism, in which only offspring who have two "white" parents are considered "white".

(With that said, I am open to the possibility that male WNs who are sexually attracted to "non-white" females are likely to have more Turanian blood on average than male WNs who are not sexually attracted to "non-white" females.)

"demolishing the myth that Turanians are "Aryans"."

Just focus on the etymological approach, which is both irrefutable and easy to explain.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2020, 01:45:38 am by 90sRetroFan »

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2020, 02:43:35 am »
Watched Disney's latest production of Mulan with a full Chinese cast but in English.

Basically not a film to my liking especially because of the stereotyped make-up of Chinese women in the film (except for Mulan) which connotes quite an racist slur.  However, there is a message in the movie that I found interesting :

Playing opposite the character Mulan is a witch (hawk) of the Rouran tribe (Turanian) who was drawn into the plot against the Chinese emperor because of her excellent skills in applying chi and wielding magical spells. It was clearly made known to her (played by Gongli) that being a woman, she would not have been accepted into the team of  Rouran warriors had she not possessed those exceptional skills. However, she was told in her face by the Rouran leader that despite the crucial assistance she could offer, she would only be treated like a slave because she was female. That this character was juxtaposed with Mulan seems to intentionally highlight the sexist stance of the Rourans, as although Mulan, also a woman, but who had committed violations of Chinese traditional expectations regarding familial piety and military integrity by enlisting as a soldier pretending to be a man, was not only pardoned by all concerned but also honoured by the emperor for her contribution in finally defeating the Rourans.

This seems to reinforce the fact that sexism is at the core of Turanian mentality but give credence to the Chinese attitude on gender equality.

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2020, 05:52:19 am »
"full Chinese cast"

Many of the cast are American (without dual citizenship). To refer to them as Chinese rather than American is to give rightists a free shot at saying that everyone subconsciously knows that "non-whites" are not 'real' Americans, which is what we are trying to oppose here.

Furthermore, some of the cast do not even have known Chinese ancestry. For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doua_Moua

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Doua Moua was born in a refugee camp in Thailand to Laos-born parents of Hmong descent who fled their country due to the events of the Laotian Civil War.[1]

I agree with your observation about the anti-Turanian theme of Mulan, though. They also get the face shapes broadly correct:



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We need more stories like these to get people used to seeing Turanians as villains. I personally especially like stories involving the Manichaeans:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_Cult

which can be simultaneously anti-Turanian and pro-Gnostic.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2020, 06:29:34 am »
I especially liked Donnie Yen's performance in "Ip Man", along with the movie's anti-colonialist narratives.

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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2020, 11:45:29 am »
Calls to boycott Mulan rise after Disney release
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Hashtags like #BoycottMulan have trended on Twitter following Mulan’s release on September 4th, but protests are tied to an incident that occurred in summer 2019, Vulture reports. Mulan actress and star Liu Yifei made comments last summer showing her support for police forces in Hong Kong at a time when people in Hong Kong were protesting newly suggested policies that would allow citizens to be extradited to mainland China, the BBC reported.

Liu shared a message on Weibo, a popular Chinese social media platform, that read “I support Hong Kong’s police, you can beat me up now,” according to The Hollywood Reporter. Liu then added on Weibo in English, “What a shame for Hong Kong.”
https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/7/21426274/mulan-disney-boycott-hong-kong-china-liu-yifei-protests-xinjiang-streaming

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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2020, 12:17:28 pm »
“To refer to them as Chinese”
At least he didn’t describe them as “Asian”, smh.

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2021, 09:44:18 pm »
Nothing has changed:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-says-american-reporter-too-121151548.html

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President Vladimir Putin appeared to be channeling the stereotype of Russia’s uneducated working classes this week when he mocked and patronized an experienced American business journalist. Unleashing his inner gopnik during an on-stage interview, he claimed she must be too “beautiful” to understand his complex argument.

“A beautiful woman, pretty. I tell her one thing, and she says something completely different. As if she didn’t hear what I said,” Putin said, turning to the male members of the audience.

They are sexist not because they are uneducated (Putin himself has a PhD), but because they are Turanians.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2022, 11:42:52 pm »
https://www.truescoopnews.com/newsdetail/russian-soldiers-tried-to-pick-up-ukrainian-women-on-tinder-hours-ahead-of-invasion-report

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In a sensational revelation, Russian soldiers allegedly sent flirty texts and tried to pick up Ukrainian women on dating app Tinder hours ahead of invasion into Kyiv. As per The Sun, Ukrainian women in the second city Kharkiv just 20 miles from were Russian troops were shocked after receiving numerous 'flirty' texts from them on Tinder. The incident occurred hours before Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a 'military operation' in Ukraine's Donbas region.

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2022, 11:51:34 pm »
WW2 all over again...

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2022, 12:23:23 am »
Old but still relevant:

https://thebaffler.com/outbursts/surely-youre-a-creep-mr-feynman-mcneill

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This spring, scientists and science writers alike celebrated the hundredth anniversary of the birth of Nobel Prize- winning physicist Richard Feynman. To mark the occasion, I sent out a tweet that included a quote from Feynman’s widely beloved memoir, “Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman!” in which he calls women in bars “****” for not sleeping with him. My initial intention was to critique Nature magazine’s celebratory profile of Feynman’s oeuvre, which made only glancing mention of “disturbingly sexist” sections of his book that revealed “predatory behaviour towards women,” without further explanation of Feynman’s well-documented history of sexual predation.
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throughout his career, Feynman reveled in blatant misogyny and sexism. In “Surely You’re Joking”, Feynman details how he adopted the mindset of a pick-up artist (an outlook he also claims to have eventually abandoned) by treating women as if they were worthless and cruelly lashing out at them when they rejected his advances. He worked and held meetings in strip clubs, and while a professor at Cal Tech, he drew naked portraits of his female students. Even worse, perhaps, he pretended to be an undergraduate student to deceive younger women into sleeping with him. His second wife accused him of abuse, citing multiple occasions when he’d fly into a blind rage if she interrupted him while he was working or playing his bongos.
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Public records of Feynman’s abuse aside, Feynman told us who he was in his own memoirs: “Surely You’re Joking” and “What Do You Care What Other People Think?” He dressed up his misogyny and sexism with jokes and disguised it with a devil-may-care attitude; he built his bad behavior into his own genius mythos. That he was able to control his own narrative is a sign of the power that science can confer upon men
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When Feynman adopts the mindset of a pickup artist, he tells himself that women are worthless ****; that way, if one rejects him, his masculinity stays intact.

I never understood this supposed logic. If the woman being propositioned is indeed worthless, what does it say about the propositioner?

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Simply pointing out these parts of Feynman’s life and character is like sending up a bat signal to science bros everywhere —a call to defend one of their heroes. After years of writing feminist critiques of science online, I am well versed in the vitriol that comes along with critiquing favored male scientists, but mentions of Feynman seem to hit a particular nerve. A cult of personality has cropped up around him that allows white male scientists to see themselves in him.

About Feynman:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

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Feynman was born on May 11, 1918, in Queens, New York City,[3] to Lucille née Phillips, a homemaker, and Melville Arthur Feynman, a sales manager[4] originally from Minsk in Belarus[5] (then part of the Russian Empire). His family was of Ashkenazi Jewish origin.[3][4]



See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/

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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2022, 12:46:41 am »
'I can forgive lesbians but not gay men', says Lukashenko
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President Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus has said he does not have the resources to be a dictator, although he has admitted he may be an authoritarian leader.  He has denied gagging opponents, but dismissed the opposition as what he called the "fifth column" financed from abroad.

"I can forgive lesbians but not gay men', says Lukashenko"

In an interview with the Russian TV channel Russia Today, recorded on March 15 and broadcast this week, the president denied reports that he was grooming his son or anyone else as a leader-in-waiting:

"To be honest, I never think in these terms. I swore that I will never hand over power to my relatives, to my in-laws or children. It's out of the question," he said.

Lukashenko denied being aware of the German foreign minister's sexual orientation when he said he would rather be a dictator than gay in what was seen as a scornful comment about Guido Westerwelle.

But there was little sign of remorse: "I forgive women for their lesbianism," he said. "But I will never in my lifetime forgive men for being gay... A woman becomes a lesbian only if we men are so wretched."

The Belarussian president, who is banned from travelling in the EU over alleged human rights abuses, praised the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez for inspiring other left wing leaders in Latin America. Lukashenko recently visited Caracas for the funeral.

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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2022, 06:17:20 pm »
Here's another article about the horses.

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Ancient DNA reveals a Bronze Age bias for male horses

Nearly three times as many stallions as mares found in archaeological sites

Myths about horses and gender abound. Many equestrians, for example, say they prefer "predictable" geldings over "moody" mares, despite no real difference in their behavior while ridden. Now, a new study suggests our biased views of horses may have ancient origins. Based on ancient DNA from hundreds of horse skeletons, researchers suggest Bronze Age Eurasians overwhelmingly preferred male horses—preferences that may shed light on the earliest days of horse husbandry.
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Researchers found an equal balance of mares and stallions at the oldest sites, suggesting early Eurasians hunted both sexes equally. Even the Botai hunter-gatherers—thought to be among the first people to domesticate horses in central Asia about 5500 years ago—showed no preference for one sex over the other.

But about 3900 years ago, a profound shift occurred: From that point on, male horses abound in the archaeological record in many cultures across Eurasia. Researchers found three times more stallions than mares, both purposefully buried and thrown out with the trash. Why the abundance of males? Fages says it may have come from a new "vision of gender" in humans spurred by societal and technological change.

Bronze Age men are consistently adorned, buried, and depicted in artwork differently from women—a pattern not seen among their Neolithic predecessors. Many researchers interpret these signs as evidence that male status rose as long-distance trading networks and metal production spurred new social hierarchies. As class divisions between metalworkers, warriors, and rulers grew, so did distinctions between men and women, Fages speculates.

If societies became more male-biased, people may have applied those same notions to their faithful steeds, believing male horses to be more powerful or capable, Fages and colleagues argue in last month's issue of the Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports.
https://www.science.org/content/article/ancient-dna-reveals-bronze-age-bias-male-horses

What happened 3900 years ago?

There was a massive Turanian diffusion after chariots were invented.


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The earliest fully developed spoke-wheeled horse chariots are from the chariot burials of the Andronovo (Timber-Grave) sites of the Sintashta-Petrovka Proto-Indo-Iranian culture in modern Russia and Kazakhstan from around 2000 BCE.[1] This culture is at least partially derived from the earlier Yamna culture. It built heavily fortified settlements, engaged in bronze metallurgy on an industrial scale, and practiced complex burial rituals reminiscent of Hindu rituals known from the Rigveda and the Avesta. Over the next few centuries, the Andronovo culture spread across the steppes from the Urals to the Tien Shan, likely corresponding to the time of early Indo-Iranian cultures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot#Origins_at_the_Eurasian_steppe

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2022, 04:32:23 pm »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/educated-women-risk-hungary-future-105858764.html

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Having too many female college graduates threatens the economy and demographics by skewing education in their favor and making it more difficult for them to have children, according to a report by the State Audit Office. The work, entitled “Signs of Pink Education in Hungary?!,” was published on July 1 and reported by Nepszava newspaper on Thursday.
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the latest product of the macho political culture fostered by Orban, who refers to tough tasks as “work for men.”
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“Where there’s a difference in the educational attainment of a marrying couple, the bride is usually more educated than the groom,” wrote the researchers, comprising three women and one man led by Beatrix Fuzi from the Budapest Business School. “If this tendency continues, the inequity in higher eduction may risk a drop in births due to the reduced probability of women choosing to marry and bear children.”

The study said this stemmed partly from women being over-represented in the teaching profession, leading to “male attributes being underrated, possibly penalized” in the classroom.