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« Reply #240 on: April 07, 2022, 08:24:28 pm »
When ever the truth does not serve Russia it's "fake".

Bucha War Crime Claims 'Fake:' Russia's Lavrov
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused the U.K. of seeking to entrench "fake" allegations against Russian soldiers over the massacre of civilians in Bucha, a town near Ukraine's capital of Kyiv.

Lavrov hit out at the U.K. for refusing to convene the United Nations Security Council.

Russia had called for an urgent meeting of the Council, but the U.K., which currently chairs it, refused to convene it.

The U.K. mission to the United Nations said the Council would hold a discussion on Tuesday instead.

Russia similarly rejected previous allegations of atrocities as fabrications on Ukraine's part.

Lavrov also rebuked U.S. President Joe Biden for suggesting that Russian President Vladimir Putin should be tried for war crimes.

He said the U.S. had no right to make this call, after American politicians had used "known excuses" for invading Iraq.

The minister was speaking after meeting an Arab League delegation that traveled to Moscow for talks on Ukraine.

The delegation included the foreign ministers of Egypt, Algeria, Iraq, Jordan and Sudan.

Ahmed Aboul Gheit, the secretary-general of the Arab League, also joined the meeting.

The pan-Arab organisation said the ministers would travel to Poland on Tuesday for talks with Ukraine's foreign minister.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFR7q2fzHUg

Moscow accuses Ukraine of 'staging' Bucha massacre
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RUSSIAN Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Monday (April 4) that Ukraine's version of what happened in the town of Bucha was a "fake attack" aimed at undermining Moscow.

Ukrainian authorities said on Sunday they were investigating possible crimes by Russian forces after finding hundreds of bodies strewn around towns like Bucha outside the capital Kyiv after the Russian withdrawal from the area.

Lavrov said the dead bodies were "staged" and that images of them and what he said was Ukraine's false version of events had been spread on social media by Western countries and Ukraine.

Russia's top diplomat also called on Britain, which holds the presidency of the U.N. Security Council for April, to fulfill its responsibilities in that role after it rejected a Russian request to convene a meeting over Bucha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gh6SUSDDcQ

'You don't resign after you're fired': Russia quits human rights council after suspension
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The UN general assembly has voted to suspend Russia from its leading human rights body over allegations of horrific rights violations by Russian soldiers in Ukraine, which the United States and Ukraine have called tantamount to war crimes. Speaking after the vote, Russia's deputy UN ambassador Gennady Kuzmin described the move as an 'illegitimate and politically motivated step' and then announced that Russia had decided to quit the human rights council altogether. Under Thursday's resolution, the General Assembly could have later agreed to end the suspension, but that cannot happen now Russia has quit the council.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IV-BgtcHSw

At least in many children's cartoons the villains are actually good at being villains. Not so much in the real world though aye....

Let's talk about the US signing up to back Ukraine throughout the war....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8Sf6U7HseU

According to Beau the U.S. has decided to arm Ukraine through the entirety of the conflict and recognizes that the conflict began with the annexation of Crimea by Russia.

 

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« Reply #241 on: April 08, 2022, 11:53:25 am »
Ukraine Strikes Back Against Putin: Latest War Update - TLDR News
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Over the last week Ukraine has started to seriously push back Russian forces in the country, defying all initial expectations. So in this video we outline Ukraine's progress and why Putin is redoubling efforts in the east rather than trying to take Kyiv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7fmt3qCdwg

Ukraine war: 'For the children' written on Russian missile used in train station airstrike
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Two Russian rockets hit a railway station in Kramatorsk, killing at least 50 people, according to Ukrainian officials.

Russian state media reported that the rocket could have been fired by the Ukrainians themselves.

Sky News' John Sparks has witnessed the damage done and discovered the missile which struck the train station with the chilling words 'for the children' daubed on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV3M3EQaOmU

Reminder:

Israeli children writing messages on bombs for Palestinian children.

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« Reply #242 on: April 08, 2022, 05:52:40 pm »
Von der Leyen offers Ukraine fast track to EU membership | DW News
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European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in Kyiv on Friday presented Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy with paperwork for his country to join the European Union.

Handing over a document at a joint press conference, she said: "This is where your path towards the European Union begins."

Von der Leyen said she intended to, "present Ukraine's application to the [European] Council this summer."

During the joint press conference von der Leyen said: "Russia will descend in economic, financial and technological decay while Ukraine is marching towards a European future."

Von der Leyen traveled to Ukraine with her deputy Josep Borrell, who is also the bloc's commissioner for foreign and security affairs. During the trip, the first by high-ranking EU officials since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, von der Leyen traveled to the city of Bucha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TLETXE_35Y

Ummmm, what about Turkey, they've been waiting for 20 years for EU membership!?

War in Ukraine: Where are Russia's body bags? • FRANCE 24 English
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The Daily Beast's Noor Ibrahim on dubious #Kremlim 🇷🇺 data over the numbers of soldiers lost in the #war in #Ukraine 🇺🇦.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9r3-W7IBw

Ukrainian officials accuse Russia of using 'mobile crematoriums' in Mariupol
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"This is nothing new for the Russian Army," a U.S. congressman tells ABC News.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/russia-accused-mobile-crematoriums-incinerate-civilians-mariupol/story?id=83932376

Russians against Kremlin. Soldiers captured in Ukraine gather to fight against Putin regime
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A new front in the fight against Putin regime.
Now russian soldiers themselves are ready to fight against war criminals
Here is why 👆
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ61bjLhhww

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« Reply #243 on: April 08, 2022, 09:35:30 pm »
Army Combat Vet Breaks Down FAKE Russian Combat Footage!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhCYLHc_IJI

Army Sniper Reviews Never Before Seen Russia Ukraine Combat Footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3cdSygOnas

Ukrainian Sniper Soldier Talks About The Irony of Life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YRsbwGDeQA

This sniper was bored in school and used to stare out the window all day. One of his teachers told him, "you'll never get paid for staring out of a window...".  :D

Ukraine small taste of what's to come from Putin: Bill Browder
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Bill Browder, CEO of Hermitage Capital, Head of Global Magnitsky Justice campaign and author, talks with Financial Post's Larysa Harapyn about his new book 'Freezing Order' and how Ukraine is just a small taste of what's to come from Russia's Vladimir Putin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miBCm5M6yWo

Russia switches focus to 'liberating' Donbas | DW News
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Russia is likely to launch a new offensive in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region. The Ukrainian leaders of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in the Donbas have asked civilians to evacuate west. According to Jack Watling, military strategy expert at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), a lot of the Ukrainian forces "are fixed along the line of contact by ongoing artillery bombardment." He expects the Russian attacks to come from the north and the south "round their flanks".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59HioNN8M6g

Russian war crimes: The end of German illusions?
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Russia’s pulling back its forces north of Ukraine’s capital but that’s brought horror rather than relief–as indications of a civilian massacre come to light. The devastating images from the town of Bucha indicate Putin’s forces murdered hundreds of civilians before withdrawing. That’s sparking new calls for harsher sanctions including an embargo on Russian fossil fuels. So far Germany’s been resisting, fearing massive harm to an economy highly dependent on Russian gas. The predicament is prompting a new look at politicians who enabled that dependence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4l7nCZdkuw

First NATO Air Losses - Ukraine War
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A mysterious tragedy in the Romanian-Ukrainian border region in March 2022 involving the loss of two NATO aircraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Npbk3_390

Could Putin Attack Britain - Ukraine War Special
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Can Russia launch a conventional attack on Britain, and, if so, how? What weapons would be used and against what targets? This programme is based on the following articles by defence analysts. For more detailed information, please visit:
https://www.navylookout.com/a-gap-in-the-shield-the-cruise-missile-threat-to-the-uk/
https://www.joint-forces.com/world-news/51304-russia-launches-range-of-ballistic-and-cruise-missiles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNRUP-T01Ig

British airspace is not the only airspace Russian fighter jets have been loitering around in the past several years....

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« Reply #244 on: April 09, 2022, 12:16:21 pm »
Shocking intercepted audio reveals talk between Russian soldiers
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Shocking intercepted audio reveals conversation between Russian soldiers

#CNN #News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CXVipVSmEU

****, torture, murder in Ukraine – Does Putin feel no remorse over his invasion? | Conflict Zone
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More allegations of ****, torture and indiscriminate murder come to light as Russia repositions forces in Ukraine.

Tim Sebastian asks former Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Fedorov whether President Vladimir Putin understands that he is losing his war of aggression with each new outrage. Fedorov who still works a consultant for the Kremlin says he believes Putin will "not step back" until he achieves his goal of a neutral Ukraine and regime change in Kyiv.

Fedorov told Sebastian from Moscow that some in the Kremlin had miscalculated about what was happening in Ukraine, but called the butchery of Bucha and towns ravaged by Russian forces a tragedy of war. The former diplomat said the United Nations General Assembly vote to suspend Russia from Human Rights Council was from a body that Moscow did not care much about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h19HFztTScQ

Ukraine War: Mariupol Mayor says city is not being 'liberated' but punished
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The Mayor of Mariupol said he believes his city is not being "liberated" but punished for their resistance when Crimea was annexed.

It comes after the Kremlin's spokesman told Sky News, "Mariupol is going to be liberated from nationalistic battalions and we hope it will happen sooner than later."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHk2yPUquUE

Pentagon: ‘Unconvincing’ Claims Russia Didn’t Carry Out Train Station Attack
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Pentagon press secretary John Kirby called the deadly attack on a Ukrainian railway station “Russian brutality.” He dismissed Russian claims that it was not behind the attack in Kramatorsk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1vNF19oh6s

Enema, deer blood bath, hormones - what's wrong with the Kremlin and its leaders
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Most of these facts were first collected by Russian investigators from Navalny fund several years ago. But since then the world has received even more evidence that something is wrong with the health of Russian leadership. Both physical and mental.
The war against Ukraine added "hormonal rage" to diagnosis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F8jiU6SKJ4

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« Reply #245 on: April 09, 2022, 08:46:52 pm »
Officials warn of increased Russian aggression
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Russian forces have withdrawn from Ukraine's capital of Kyiv, but they are taking aim at cities in the south and east, and possibly regrouping in neighboring Belarus. Holly Williams has more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3upH88Ilyk

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« Reply #246 on: April 09, 2022, 10:13:35 pm »
https://www.washingtoninformer.com/as-ukrainians-flee-war-blacks-encounter-racism-discrimination/

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of equal concern, the activists said, are revelations that Black students and residents have been the targets of racism and discrimination even as more than a million people have fled the approaching Russian military juggernaut.

“I found out about this a couple of days ago, but I knew well in advance that there were Black migrants and students from around the world there. Was I surprised? No, of course not,” said Gassama, UndocuBlack’s national director of policy and advocacy. “It’s so unfortunate, so disappointing, but Black people tend to bear the brunt of cruelty. I have heard that it’s not Polish border guards but Ukrainian border patrols doing this.”

“People are fleeing a war but still find time to be racist,” Gassama said.
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under the hashtag #AfricansinUkraine, social media sites, news outlets and other entities have been deluged with personal stories via videos, cellphone footage and interviews with Black Africans, Black Ukrainians and international students from Nigeria, Ghana, India, Morocco showing the racism, discrimination and hostility they’ve faced. They spoke of the double standard of white Ukrainians getting preference over Black, South Asian and Mediterranean people and their studied pushback against the perpetrators.

Black and brown men and women have been forced off trains and buses, others have been verbally and physically abused and still more have been refused entry in Poland by Ukrainian security forces and border guards.

Foreign students tell of having walked scores and sometimes hundreds of miles from where they were living to try to reach the border after being turned away at train stations, bus depots checkpoints and at border crossings. Some say they were forced either out of lines or told to go to the back after being told that only white Ukrainians would be accommodated.

There are also scattered stories of Black people being beaten and threatened with weapons and refused entry into Poland by border guards. And all of this has been playing out in the midst, not just of a bloody conflict, but also freezing winter weather with the Black students and residents enduring winter temperatures with little or no food, water or blankets.

Representatives of civil rights organizations, civil society, professionals and others disgusted with what they’ve seen have been vocal in their opposition and have responded by starting crowdfunding projects on Instagram and other social media to support beleaguered students. Students are stranded in Ukraine because flights out of the country are grounded, leaving African governments unable to fly students from their countries out of the war zone.

France, 24, said some Africans have left Ukraine. A reporter spoke to several students last month at Lviv train station in western Ukraine who explained that they were turned back by Ukrainian border guards while attempting to cross into Poland.

“They stopped us at the border and told us that Blacks were not allowed. But we could see white people going through,” said Moustapha Bagui Sylla, a student from Guinea.
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“I was so disheartened as I watched the newsreel and heard the voice of one young woman saying that they came into Ukraine, accepted and were granted homes and jobs. But since the conflict started, they noticed a marked difference such as having to wait in tough, stressful and demanding conditions,” said Turner, a pastor at Victory of Praise Church in Stockton, California. “Darker complected people have been treated differently. When the person being interviewed explained what was going on, the interviewer just said thanks and didn’t pursue it.”

“It’s a worldwide crisis but we always seem to be the underdog, are expendable, Turner continued. “We can’t just be myopic about what’s going on here. We have to avoid distractions and turn this into a fight of Black bodies globally.”

The issue is so concerning that the African Union, the NAACP, a coalition of Black lawyers led by Ben Crump and the United Nations have each commented on and condemned the treatment meted out to these international students. Crump and his colleagues filed an urgent appeal to the United Nations last month on behalf of African refugees facing racial discrimination in Ukraine and Poland.

Meanwhile, NAACP President Derrick Johnson said on Twitter that his organization is working with the Congressional Black Caucus, civil rights organizations, and international partner organizations “to ensure the safety of Africans seeking refuge amid the crisis in Ukraine.”

A wide cross-section of critics has vociferously condemned the blatant racism, demanding that border guards and security forces respect the human rights of Black and brown people be respected and give students safe passage without the specter of a racist double standard determining who gets into another country hanging over the process.

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« Reply #247 on: April 09, 2022, 11:16:51 pm »
See troubling discoveries inside Chernobyl after Russians fled
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CNN's Fred Pleitgen visits the abandoned Russian military positions in Chernobyl where Russian soldiers went into the Red Forest, the most nuclear contaminated area on the planet, and brought back radioactive dust.

#CNN #News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jWnuvrPgu4

Lt. Gen. Kellogg: This doesn’t look very good
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Fox News contributor Ret. Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg warns Vladimir Putin won't give up an 'inch' of Ukraine. #FoxNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hqw0RA8PgS8

I appreciate Lt. Gen. Kellogg clarity in the above video.

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« Reply #248 on: April 10, 2022, 02:41:05 pm »
Russian forces destroy Dnipro airport as large military convoy moves toward east Ukraine | DW News
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Ukraine and Russia have agreed on humanitarian corridors to evacuate thousands of civilians. Ukrainians are fleeing the eastern Donbas region, which has been partially controlled by Russian-backed separatists since 2014. Satellite images show a convoy of hundreds of Russian military vehicles heading for Donbas - making the evacuation of civilians more urgent.

Eastern regions of Ukraine are bracing for a new Russian offensive, as Ukrainian officials say Russia has fired rockets that destroyed the airport in Dnipro, the country's fourth largest city. On Telegram, the governor of Dnipropetrovsk, Valentyn Reznichenko, said that the airport itself was destroyed, as well as nearby infrastructure.

More than 100 thousand people are believed trapped in the city of Mariupol, which has been under intense bombardment for weeks. Local officials have said as many as 5,000 civilians may have been killed.

#Russia #Ukraine #War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG_E5SVDzIk

War in Ukraine: With new general, Russia aims to concentrate command • FRANCE 24 English
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Sunday’s attack on Ukraine’s Dnipro airport is part of Russia’s new war tactics, FRANCE 24’s Foreign Affairs Editor Rob Parsons reports from Kyiv, noting also that Moscow’s recent appointment of Alexander Dvornikov as its new war general, underscores Russia’s ambitions to concentrate its command and avoid confusion.
#Ukraine #Russia #war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UlP19kSaqo

How Russians Reacted When We Showed Them Pictures From Ukraine
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Many Russians are being fed a daily media diet of Kremlin propaganda that hides the terrible destruction and human cost of their country's invasion of Ukraine. So how did ordinary Russians in Perm and Vladivostok react when Current Time reporters showed them some images?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELta9MLOzg

Those that support are not concerned about the sanctions at all. This is the way it should be is the basic sentiment by some. Others don't believe it's happening. A couple are against it.


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« Reply #249 on: April 11, 2022, 11:33:22 am »
Pro-Russian convoy drives through Ireland with flags and 'Z markings'
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SHOCKING footage shows a Pro-Russian 10-car-strong convoy driving through Ireland brandishing flags and 'Z markings', in support of the war in Ukraine.

The video posted to Twitter, shows the convoy driving northbound on the M50 motorway. The lead vehicle has the letter “Z” written on its side, which is the letter written on the side of Russian military vehicles invading Ukraine.

Most of the vehicles carried Russian flags, several carried Irish flags, and some carried flags bearing the hammer and sickle associated with the former Soviet Union.

In a message on its Twitter account, the Ukrainian embassy said: “It’s absolutely disgusting that these Russians living in Ireland demonstrate their complete disrespect for country of residence & the Irish people who stand against Russia’s war in Ukraine. Russia’s ‘Z’, the symbol of killings & atrocities, must be prohibited by law in every democratic state.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTuZlDOovT8

RUSSIA IS MASSING FOR MASSIVE DONBAS ATTACK, BUT CAN THEY REALLY? || 2022
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RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNt0uYENosM

THEY WILL NEVER LEARN - RUSSIANS ARE SENDING ANOTHER 8 MILE CONVOY TO THE EAST OF UKRAINE || 2022
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Dramatic footage has emerged of the moment a Russian tank was blown to smithereens after being damaged by a Ukrainian army brigade on Friday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_BK0fZXIXA

OUT OF DESPERATION, PUTIN IS MOBILISING RETIRED SOLDIERS FOR HIS DEPLETED FORCES IN UKRAINE || 2022
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Russia’s new plan for Ukraine: Using retired soliders?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKXw9GpnNeI

Gen. McCaffrey: Dvornikov ‘Deliberately Chosen’ To Lead Ukraine Invasion ‘Because He’s Ruthless’
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Retired Four Star General Barry McCaffrey and New York Times Diplomatic Correspondent Michael Crowley join Andrea Mitchell to discuss President Putin’s appointment of General Aleksandr Dvornikov to lead the invasion of eastern Ukraine. “He was deliberately chosen because he's ruthless. He participated in the Russian operations in Chechnya, which destroyed the city of Grozny and killed countless numbers of civilians. He was one of the architects of Russian military operations in Syria and, in combination with Assad, destroyed the city of Aleppo,” says McCaffrey. “He’s a brute, but I wouldn’t expect too much to come out of him.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F14YDYiUyU4

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Retired General explains Russia's advantage with the new general leading the war
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Retired Maj. Gen. James "Spider" Marks joins CNN's Inside Politics and breaks down Russia's primary efforts in this new chapter of the war and the newly appointed Russian commander known as "The Butcher of Syria." #CNN #News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVYEnfhID0

It would be poetic justice for Syrian refugees had "The Butcher of Syria" been used to invade Poland and Hungary....
See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/hungary-v4/
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Ukraine’s military claims to have repelled at least 8 Russian attacks
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A former commander of U.S. Armed Forces discusses Russia's offensive in southeastern Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcKmHewAHUw

Austrian chancellor says meeting with Putin was "not a friendly visit"
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Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer says his meeting in Moscow with Russian President Putin was "not a friendly visit." CBS News foreign correspondent Holly Williams joins CBS News' Tanya Rivero from Ukraine with more on recent visits to Ukraine and Russia by foreign leaders.

#News #Putin #Austria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH9tE7d-v70

Ukrainian farmer Rancher says 'over 100 animals burned alive' after Russian shelling
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OVER a hundred animals were burnt alive in a fire sparked by a Russian shelling of an area outside Kharkiv in northeastern Ukraine.

Mala Rohan, a small farming village, 22 kilometers (13 miles) east of Kharkiv was bombed on March 26, the day Lubov Zlobina a local farm owner was going to celebrate her birthday.

Instead, she and her husband spent the day rescuing farm animals from a fire that engulfed their barns after they were hit by Russian shells.

"We could not get into the barn so my husband knocked down the wall ... the animals were bellowing, calves, piglets, I told him to knock down the wall and we managed to get half of them out. The other half burnt, half of the barn, the calves and piglets inside," Zlobina said.

Zlobina said 42 calves, 48 sheep and 30 pigs were burnt alive in the fire. She and her husband managed to rescue 415 animals.

The shelling of the farm took place as Ukrainian forces fought to push back Russian troops from the area. Mala Rohan was recaptured by Ukraine on March 28.

Zlobina recalled the daily searches and looting of her farm during the 20 days the village was occupied by the Russians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwOUaCA1aOk

McFaul: The Battle Of Kyiv Will Go Down In History As One Of Great Defeats Of Russian Army
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has warned of a ramped-up Russian offensive in his country's east. The Morning Joe panel discusses the latest developments in Ukraine, including British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's visit to Kyiv.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXaoCJnCGoM

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Re: Ukraine
« Reply #250 on: April 11, 2022, 08:58:34 pm »
I keep agreeing with our enemies:

https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/04/home-before-christmas/

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Putin isn’t going anywhere. Least of all back to Moscow with his tail between his legs. He’s going to stay exactly where he is. Unless he is militarily defeated, which is unlikely. After all, he has the world’s biggest arsenal of nuclear weapons at hand. Right now NATO and Putin are playing a game of chicken. The problem is Putin has no eyelids to blink with. He’ll win.
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Part of the policy is simply out-waiting the other. Sooner or later they will give in. They all do. For example, Crimea. Was the plebiscite real or not? It doesn’t matter. Given the outcome, of course it was rigged. 96.77% is not realistic. So what happened? Nothing. It’s still Russian.

Putin simply out-waited sanctions. He got what he wanted, and took it from there.
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Public discontent is something Putin does not have to worry about for a long time to come. Did the Russians ever protest against losses in a war? Rarely. The losses in the Winter War were much greater. Not a peep. Losing the Crimean War didn’t create big protests. The defeat in the Japanese-Russo War did, but they could be squelched.

So at home Putin has nothing to fear. All he has to do now is outwait his foreign opponents. He has very little to lose. What are the options?

1. Complete withdrawal from all occupied Ukrainian territories, plus war reparations, EU and NATO membership.

Yeah, if pigs have wings they can fly. Not going to happen. He much rather let the nukes fly high. That would be a humiliation far beyond what Russians (never mind Putin) would tolerate. Besides, he doesn’t have the money for war reparations.

2. Partial withdrawal from some occupied Ukrainian territories, with some war reparations, EU membership and perpetual neutrality.

Withdraw from areas he can’t conquer at the moment. Keep everything he has, plus the entire Luhansk and Donbas regions. If Ukraine is willing to unite with Russia, limited war reparations are negotiable. Otherwise, though, good luck. Ask the EU to rebuild Ukraine. We’re not wasting good rubles on your rubble.

That’s a limited victory. Not for Ukraine; for Putin. He gets to keep everything he wanted plus more, and most of his goals are achieved. All he has to do now is wait for the next opportunity.

3. Withdrawal to pre-21 February positions, without war reparations, no EU or NATO membership.

Crimea, Luhansk and Donbas remain occupied by Russia, but will still be considered Ukrainian territories (by NATO, that is). Russia doesn’t have to pay any kind of war reparations, as they are — or will be soon — flat broke. Ukraine becomes a neutral country, without ties to the EU or NATO.

That’s also a limited victory for Putin. Zelensky staying in power is irrelevant for Putin. He’ll be gone soon enough. Keeping Ukraine out of NATO (goal no. 1) and the EU (goal no. 2) is far more important. I0t would be painful to give up the newly occupied territories, but that is something for the army to cry over. After they’ve dried their tears, they can get busy rebuilding the army into something that works. The few generals that survive the coming cleanup, that is. All he has to do now is wait for the next opportunity.

Apart from the first option, it’s a win-win for Putin. He’ll get everything he wants, solidify his claim on Crimea (simply by holding on) and extend Russia with Luhansk and Donbas. He’ll keep Ukraine outside NATO and probably the EU. Which means he can do whatever he wants, in the future. We also know that Russian promises are worth their weight in kopeks.

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A compromise is a win for Putin, no matter what the compromise might be.

This is why I keep saying the only way to turn this into a loss for Putin is if Russia ends this war with less territory than when it started. This requires counter-invasion into currently Russian territory. We now have another reason to do so:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urbcTth9H1Q

We have every justification to claim Russian territory in compensation. But do we have the will to do so?
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« Reply #251 on: April 11, 2022, 10:52:46 pm »
It's Time For Ukraine To Go On The Offensive, Says Retired Marine Corps Colonel
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New intelligence is showing heavy shelling in the region of Luhansk and Donetsk, and Clint Watts along with retired Marine Corps Col. Brendan Kearney join Morning Joe to discuss the latest developments in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6eJs4jKHT4

Clint Watts: President Zelenskyy Needs Air Power, This Could Be Ended Quickly
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The Russian offensive against Ukraine has a new commander: Army General Alexander Dvornikov, a veteran of Russia's atrocities in Chechnya, also known as the 'Butcher of Syria.' Joy Reid and her panel discuss what could end this war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tkbc_QvG40

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« Reply #252 on: April 12, 2022, 07:11:42 am »
Ukraine have never invaded Syria but now syrians invade Ukraine

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« Reply #253 on: April 12, 2022, 12:02:06 pm »
Putin: Russia will achieve 'noble' aims | DW News
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Russian President Vladimir Putin has said the invasion of Ukraine will achieve what he called "noble" aims. He added, "Today, our officers are participating in a special military operation in the Donbas, in Ukraine. They provide assistance to the people's republics of Donbas. They act courageously, competently, efficiently and effectively, they use the most modern types of weapons with unique, unparalleled characteristics."

Putin and Belarusian leader Aleksander Lukashenko met in Blagoveshchensk where they visited the Vostochny Cosmodrome to mark "Space Day." Space Day is the anniversary of when Russian cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first human to complete one orbit around the earth in 1961.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va7IebFF_lk

Obama says Putin acting in newly 'reckless' manner
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Russian President Vladimir Putin is acting in a newly reckless manner with the invasion of Ukraine, former US President Barack Obama said in an interview. #CNN #News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXUQ9uYjSMw

Putin on Russian invasion of Ukraine: 'We are not going to be isolated'
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Vladimir Putin has described the invasion of Ukraine as 'inevitable' during a visit to the Vostochny cosmodrome in Russia's Amur Oblast region.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_klLj3m-zJU

Let's talk about questions on Russia's failure....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVPIOwmWNpE

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Re: Re: Denmark
« Reply #254 on: April 12, 2022, 07:53:34 pm »
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Ukraine have never invaded Syria but now syrians invade Ukraine

Using your logic we could also say: The European Union did not invade Ukraine but now Ukrainians are invading the EU.

Did Ukraine even take any Syrian refugees or are you just talking out of the side of your neck like usual?

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Despite government efforts and UNHCR support in the sphere of RSD capacity building, the general recognition rate in Ukraine has dropped in 2015, including in Syrian cases. The State Migration Service granted status to 63 Syrians (5 refugee status and 58 complementary protection), but 134 Syrians were rejected following substantial consideration. Thus, the recognition rate in Syrian cases decreased to 32 per cent (compare to 46 per cent in 2013 and 76 per cent in 2014), with the very small percentage of applicants granted refugee status compared to complementary protection.
https://reporting.unhcr.org/node/8800

Must be why Ukraine is not on this list too then?:

Ranking of the largest Syrian refugee-hosting countries in 2020
https://www.statista.com/statistics/740233/major-syrian-refugee-hosting-countries-worldwide/

It is poetic justice to Syrian refugees that the Russian commander known as "The Butcher of Syria" is now fighting in Ukraine and doing to Ukraine exactly what he did to Syria!