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« Reply #375 on: December 07, 2021, 11:30:11 pm »
A mainstream article says what we have been saying for much longer:

https://archive.md/Cx6Li

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Trump’s Next Coup Has Already Begun
January 6 was practice. Donald Trump’s GOP is much better positioned to subvert the next election.
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For more than a year now, with tacit and explicit support from their party’s national leaders, state Republican operatives have been building an apparatus of election theft. Elected officials in Arizona, Texas, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and other states have studied Donald Trump’s crusade to overturn the 2020 election. They have noted the points of failure and have taken concrete steps to avoid failure next time. Some of them have rewritten statutes to seize partisan control of decisions about which ballots to count and which to discard, which results to certify and which to reject. They are driving out or stripping power from election officials who refused to go along with the plot last November, aiming to replace them with exponents of the Big Lie. They are fine-tuning a legal argument that purports to allow state legislators to override the choice of the voters.
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Any Republican might benefit from these machinations, but let’s not pretend there’s any suspense. Unless biology intercedes, Donald Trump will seek and win the Republican nomination for president in 2024.

A bullet can also intercede.

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The party is in his thrall. No opponent can break it and few will try. Neither will a setback outside politics—indictment, say, or a disastrous turn in business—prevent Trump from running. If anything, it will redouble his will to power.

A bullet can prevent Trump from running.

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Trump is successfully shaping the narrative of the insurrection in the only political ecosystem that matters to him. The immediate shock of the event, which briefly led some senior Republicans to break with him, has given way to a near-unanimous embrace. Virtually no one a year ago, certainly not I, predicted that Trump could compel the whole party’s genuflection to the Big Lie and the recasting of insurgents as martyrs.

Actually:

https://authenticamericandream.blogspot.com/2021/01/index-of-trump-republican-coup-news-articles-commentary.html

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Today the few GOP dissenters are being cast out. “2 down, 8 to go!” Trump gloated at the retirement announcement of Representative Adam Kinzinger, one of 10 House Republicans to vote for his second impeachment.

Trump has reconquered his party by setting its base on fire. Tens of millions of Americans perceive their world through black clouds of his smoke. His deepest source of strength is the bitter grievance of Republican voters that they lost the White House, and are losing their country, to alien forces with no legitimate claim to power. This is not some transient or loosely committed population. Trump has built the first American mass political movement in the past century that is ready to fight by any means necessary, including bloodshed, for its cause.

As I have already said many times, all 75 million 2020 Trump voters must be exterminated.

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With a sufficient dose of truth serum, most Republican politicians would likely confess that Biden won in 2020, but the great mass of lumpen Trumpers, who believe the Big Lie with unshakable force, oblige them to pretend otherwise.

No "deprogramming" (the False Left's favourite word for the last year) is possible. The choice is between exterminating them or letting them win.

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“There ain’t no **** way we are letting go of 3 November 2020,” he said. “That is not going to **** happen. That’s not happening. This motherfucker was stolen. The world knows this bumbling, senile, career corrupt **** squatting in our White House did not get 81 million votes.”

See what I mean?

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Robert A. Pape, a well-credentialed connoisseur of political violence, watched the mob attack the Capitol on a television at home on January 6. A name came unbidden to his mind: Slobodan Milošević.

Back in June 1989, Pape had been a postdoctoral fellow in political science when the late president of Serbia delivered a notorious speech. Milošević compared Muslims in the former Yugoslavia to Ottomans who had enslaved the Serbs six centuries before. He fomented years of genocidal war that destroyed the hope for a multiethnic democracy, casting Serbs as defenders against a Muslim onslaught on “European culture, religion, and European society in general.”

Which reminds us of the rhetoric of someone else too:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/eric-zemmour-948/

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By the time Trump unleashed the angry crowd on Congress, Pape, who is 61, had become a leading scholar on the intersection of warfare and politics. He saw an essential similarity between Milošević and Trump—one that suggested disturbing hypotheses about Trump’s most fervent supporters. Pape, who directs the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats, or CPOST, called a staff meeting two days after the Capitol attack. “I talked to my research team and told them we were going to reorient everything we were doing,” he told me.

Milošević, Pape said, inspired bloodshed by appealing to fears that Serbs were losing their dominant place to upstart minorities. “What he is arguing” in the 1989 speech “is that Muslims in Kosovo and generally throughout the former Yugoslavia are essentially waging genocide on the Serbs,” Pape said. “And really, he doesn’t use the word replaced. But this is what the modern term would be.”

Pape was alluding to a theory called the “Great Replacement.” The term itself has its origins in Europe. But the theory is the latest incarnation of a racist trope that dates back to Reconstruction in the United States. Replacement ideology holds that a hidden hand (often imagined as Jewish) is encouraging the invasion of nonwhite immigrants, and the rise of nonwhite citizens, to take power from white Christian people of European stock. When white supremacists marched with torches in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017, they chanted, “Jews will not replace us!”

In reality, it is Zemmour who is the Jew. Here is another Jew:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/stephen-miller/

Which side are they on FFS?

The Charlottesville marchers are correct: Jews will not replace them. Jews never wanted to replace them. WE ARE THE ONES WHO WANT TO REPLACE THEM (AND JEWS)!

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Trump borrowed periodically from the rhetorical canon of replacement. His remarks on January 6 were more disciplined than usual for a president who typically spoke in tangents and unfinished thoughts. Pape shared with me an analysis he had made of the text that Trump read from his prompter.

“Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four-year period,” Trump told the crowd. “You’re the real people. You’re the people that built this nation.” He famously added, “And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

Just like Milošević, Trump had skillfully deployed three classic themes of mobilization to violence, Pape wrote: “The survival of a way of life is at stake. The fate of the nation is being determined now. Only genuine brave patriots can save the country.”

Watching how the Great Replacement message was resonating with Trump supporters, Pape and his colleagues suspected that the bloodshed on January 6 might augur something more than an aberrant moment in American politics. The prevailing framework for analyzing extremist violence in the U.S., they thought, might not be adequate to explain what was happening.

Leftists must not deny the Great Replacement. We must celebrate it. Denying it only makes it appear unethical, when it is in fact it would be, if it succeeds, one of most carthartic acts of justice in history. It will be finally Western civilization, after 500 years of colonialism, being made to face its victims.

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When the Biden administration published a new homeland-security strategy in June, it described the assault on the Capitol as a product of “domestic violent extremists,” and invoked an intelligence assessment that said attacks by such extremists come primarily from lone wolves or small cells. Pape and his colleagues doubted that this captured what had happened on January 6.

The "small cell" is ~75 million in number.

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They set about seeking systematic answers to two basic questions: Who were the insurgents, in demographic terms? And what political beliefs animated them and their sympathizers?
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only 7 percent of the January 6 insurgents were jobless, and more than half of the group had a white-collar job or owned their own business. There were doctors, architects, a Google field-operations specialist, the CEO of a marketing firm, a State Department official. “The last time America saw middle-class whites involved in violence was the expansion of the second KKK in the 1920s,” Pape told me.

Yes:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/trumpism-is-an-echo/

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The researchers tried a hypothesis: Insurgents might be more likely to come from counties where white household income was dropping. Not so. Household income made no difference at all.

I told you so:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-non-economic-explanations/

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Only one meaningful correlation emerged. Other things being equal, insurgents were much more likely to come from a county where the white share of the population was in decline. For every one-point drop in a county’s percentage of non-Hispanic whites from 2015 to 2019, the likelihood of an insurgent hailing from that county increased by 25 percent. This was a strong link, and it held up in every state.

Yawn.

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Trump and some of his most vocal allies, Tucker Carlson of Fox News notably among them, had taught supporters to fear that Black and brown people were coming to replace them. According to the latest census projections, white Americans will become a minority, nationally, in 2045. The insurgents could see their majority status slipping before their eyes.

No, Trump and Carlson only stirred up what was already there. Wake up and smell the racist bloodlines!

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Pollsters ordinarily expect survey respondents to give less support to more transgressive language. “The more you asked pointed questions about violence, the more you should be getting ‘social-desirability bias,’ where people are just more reluctant,” Pape told me.

Here, the opposite happened: the more extreme the sentiments, the greater the number of respondents who endorsed them. In the June results, just over 8 percent agreed that Biden was illegitimate and that violence was justified to restore Trump to the White House. That corresponds to 21 million American adults. Pape called them “committed insurrectionists.” (An unrelated Public Religion Research Institute survey on November 1 found that an even larger proportion of Americans, 12 percent, believed both that the election had been stolen from Trump and that “true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country.”)

Why such a large increase? Pape believed that Trump supporters simply preferred the harsher language, but “we cannot rule out that attitudes hardened” between the first and second surveys. Either interpretation is troubling. The latter, Pape said, “would be even more concerning since over time we would normally think passions would cool.”

You think that way because you are a False Leftist. True Leftists still remember the colonial era and hate Westerners for it.

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In the CPOST polls, only one other statement won overwhelming support among the 21 million committed insurrectionists. Almost two-thirds of them agreed that “African American people or Hispanic people in our country will eventually have more rights than whites.”

How long have "whites" had more "rights" than "non-whites" in US history? Should not "non-whites" have more "rights" (though I dislike the term) than "whites" for at least the same duration just in order to make it fair?

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Slicing the data another way: Respondents who believed in the Great Replacement theory, regardless of their views on anything else, were nearly four times as likely as those who did not to support the violent removal of the president.

I know.

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What Pape was seeing in these results did not fit the government model of lone wolves and small groups of extremists. “This really is a new, politically violent mass movement,” he told me. “This is collective political violence.”

Yes. And it takes collective political retaliatory violence to defeat this.

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The former Coast Guard rescue diver from Kentucky had joined the crowd at the Capitol on January 6 but said he has not heard from law enforcement. Civil war is coming, he told me, and “I would fight for my country.”

Was he speaking metaphorically?

“No, I’m not,”

See?

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Violent political conflict, he told me, was inevitable, because Trump’s opponents “want actual war here in America. That’s what they want.”

No, I would have infinitely preferred Western civilization to have died peacefully as it was supposed to have done via the Counterculture era. But Trump, despite living during the Counterculture era, was one of those who never adopted its attitudes (as was always evident from the decor of his properties: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4197/#msg4197 ). So Trump is the one who wants a war.

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the Trump team achieved something crucial and enduring by convincing tens of millions of angry supporters, including a catastrophic 68 percent of all Republicans in a November PRRI poll, that the election had been stolen from Trump.
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For a few short weeks, Republicans recoiled at the insurrection and distanced themselves from Trump. That would not last.
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Trump himself proposed the final inversion of January 6 as a political symbol: “The insurrection took place on November 3, Election Day. January 6 was the Protest!” he wrote in a statement released by his fundraising group in October.

It is difficult today to find a Republican elected official who will take issue with that proposition in public. With Trump loyalists ascendant, no room is left for dissent in a party now fully devoted to twisting the electoral system for the former president.
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Now a GOP-dominated state board, beholden to the legislature, may overrule and take control of voting tallies in any jurisdiction—for example, a heavily Black and Democratic one like Fulton County. The State Election Board can suspend a county board if it deems the board to be “underperforming” and replace it with a handpicked administrator. The administrator, in turn, will have final say on disqualifying voters and declaring ballots null and void. Instead of complaining about balls and strikes, Team Trump will now own the referee.

And the Biden administration is letting it happen:

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The Justice Department has filed suit to overturn some provisions of the new Georgia law—but not to challenge the hostile takeover of election authorities. Instead, the federal lawsuit takes issue with a long list of traditional voter-suppression tactics that, according to Attorney General Merrick Garland, have the intent and effect of disadvantaging Black voters. These include prohibitions and “onerous fines” that restrict the distribution of absentee ballots, limit the use of ballot drop boxes, and forbid handing out food or water to voters waiting in line. These provisions make it harder, by design, for Democrats to vote in Georgia. The provisions that Garland did not challenge make it easier for Republicans to fix the outcome. They represent danger of a whole different magnitude.

By the way:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland

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Garland was raised in Conservative Judaism, the family name having been changed from Garfinkel several generations prior.

So again, Jews will not replace our enemies. Either we do it ourselves, or it won't happen.

Continuing:

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The infinite scroll of right-wing social media is relentlessly bloody-minded. One commentator on Telegram posted on January 7 that “the congress is literally begging the people to hang them.” Another replied, “Anyone who certifies a fraudulent election has commited treason punishable by death.” One week later came, “The last stand is a civil war.” In response, another user wrote, “No protests. To late for that.” The fire burns, if anything, even hotter now, a year later.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/alt-right-internet-pipeline/

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Four justices—Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Clarence Thomas—have already signaled support for a doctrine that disallows any such deviation from the election rules passed by a state legislature. It is an absolutist reading of legislative control over the “manner” of appointing electors under Article II of the U.S. Constitution. Justice Amy Coney Barrett, Trump’s last appointee, has never opined on the issue.

Duh!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/court-packing/

And Biden won't help us:

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having looked directly toward the threat on the horizon, Biden seemed to turn away, as if he doubted the evidence before his eyes. There was no appreciable call to action, save for the bare words themselves: “We’ve got to act.” Biden’s list of remedies was short and grossly incommensurate with the challenge. He expressed support for two bills—the For the People Act and the John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act—that were dead on arrival in the Senate because Democrats had no answer to the Republican filibuster. He said the attorney general would double the Department of Justice staff devoted to voting-rights enforcement. Civil-rights groups would “stay vigilant.” Vice President Kamala Harris would lead “an all-out effort to educate voters about the changing laws, register them to vote, and then get the vote out.”

And then he mentioned one last plan that proved he did not accept the nature of the threat: “We will be asking my Republican friends—in Congress, in states, in cities, in counties—to stand up, for God’s sake, and help prevent this concerted effort to undermine our elections and the sacred right to vote.”

So: enforcement of inadequate laws, wishful thinking about new laws, vigilance, voter education, and a friendly request that Republicans stand athwart their own electoral schemes.

Conspicuously missing from Biden’s speech was any mention even of filibuster reform, without which voting-rights legislation is doomed. Nor was there any mention of holding Trump and his minions accountable, legally, for plotting a coup.

What will happen next is obvious to anyone who can see:

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Absent consequences, they will certainly try again. An unpunished plot is practice for the next.

There is only one way left to stop it:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/firearms/
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Re: Red coup
« Reply #376 on: December 11, 2021, 01:42:12 am »

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Re: Red coup
« Reply #377 on: December 13, 2021, 09:42:13 pm »
'Powerpoint Coup Plot': Explosive Evidence Revealed From Trump’s Top Aide
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Explosive new reporting on evidence in the January 6th riot probe from Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows. Coup backer Philip Waldron, a retired U.S. Army colonel, who pushed a PowerPoint plan to overturn the 2020 election — reveals meeting with Meadows “multiple” times. Waldron also telling The Washington Post he met with lawmakers on the night before the riot.


BREAKING: Jan. 6 Committee Votes To Hold Mark Meadows In Contempt Of Congress
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Congressman Pete Aguilar joins Mehdi Hasan to discuss the Jan. 6 committee’s vote to hold Mark Meadows in contempt of Congress.


Jan. 6 Panel: Fox News Hosts Texted Meadows Amid Riot, Urged Intervention
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Before voting to hold Mark Meadows in contempt, the January 6th committee revealed text messages in which Fox News hosts Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, and Brian Kilmeade begged Mark Meadows to get Trump to call of the riot.


Let's talk about coup by PowerPoint.....


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It's ongoing.... - BOTFC
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This hasn't failed yet, it's ongoing!

Great point! Anyone who is enabling Trump in any way at this point is in on it, even if they do not understand how they are "in on it"! Lastly, exactly! A coup attempt can never be viewed as a "fluke" by anyone with any true discernment!

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Re: Red coup
« Reply #378 on: December 13, 2021, 11:20:01 pm »
'They're flat-out lying': Lemon rips Fox News hosts over texts
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CNN's Don Lemon weighs in on text messages from lawmakers, Fox News hosts and Donald Trump Jr. to former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows during the January 6 Capitol Hill riot. #CNN #News

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Re: Red coup
« Reply #379 on: December 14, 2021, 08:09:11 pm »

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Re: Red coup
« Reply #380 on: December 15, 2021, 08:34:06 pm »
'Need to end this call': January 6 committee reveals new text messages to Meadows on House floor
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Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat on the select panel, read a text message from an unnamed Georgia government official sent to Meadows during the January 2 call.

"Need to end this call," the official wrote. "I don't think this will be productive for much longer."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/politics/january-6-committee-text-messages/index.html

Let's talk about those text messages about the 6th....


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Re: Red coup
« Reply #381 on: December 16, 2021, 09:00:20 pm »
Jim Jordan And Trump's Coup: The Calls Were Coming From Inside The House
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Chris Hayes breaks down what we know about Congressman Jim Jordan's active involvement in fomenting Donald Trump’s attempted coup: “As long as the subpoenas keep coming, Jim Jordan may want to start refreshing his memory of when exactly he spoke to Trump.”


New Evidence Implicates More GOP Leaders In MAGA Effort To Cancel Biden’s Victory
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The January 6th Committee has released new, explosive texts messages to and from Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows in the investigation into the insurrection at the Capitol, revealing Republicans and Fox News hosts privately urged Trump to stop the violence at the Capitol. Now, the evidence shows MAGA Congressman Jim Jordan is among the Republicans who messaged Meadows.

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Re: Red coup
« Reply #382 on: December 17, 2021, 10:25:31 pm »
Legal Expert Believes Jim Jordan Text To Mark Meadows Probable Cause For Criminal Charge
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Rep. Jim Jordan's office has admitted that he was one of the lawmakers whose texts to Mark Meadows were revealed this week. Joy Reid's guests explain why they believe his text is written confirmation that Jordan is a "traitor" who may have committed a crime.


I have noticed a steady uptick in people using words such as "treason" and "traitor" when speaking of Jan 6th recently....

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Re: Red coup
« Reply #383 on: December 21, 2021, 05:49:56 pm »
Alex Jones sues Jan. 6 committee, indicates plan to plead the Fifth
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In the lawsuit, Jones says he intends to assert his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/20/alex-jones-sues-jan-6-committee-indicates-plan-to-plead-the-fifth-525770

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Re: Red coup
« Reply #384 on: December 21, 2021, 08:50:10 pm »
'Caught red-handed': Acosta calls out Fox News anchors' January 6 texts
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CNN's Jim Acosta calls out Fox News anchors Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Brian Kilmeade for their on-air comments downplaying the January 6 Capitol riot after the House committee investigating the riot released messages sent by the anchors to former Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows asking Trump to tell the rioters to go home. #CNN #News


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“Guys you have been busted on your bullshit” priceless! Gym Jordan pissing in his pants, priceless!

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Re: Red coup
« Reply #385 on: December 22, 2021, 01:57:48 am »
You can't make this **** up..... but with no accountability it happens for real:


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Re: Red coup
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Re: Red coup
« Reply #388 on: December 25, 2021, 08:12:00 pm »
Cousins admits that all legal countermeasures against Trumpism are useless (but advocates continuing with these useless actions anyway):



I do not care about what is legal, but only about what is effective in defeating the enemy. And I repeat, either all 75 million 2020 Trump voters are exterminated, or they will eventually take over.
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« Reply #389 on: December 26, 2021, 12:36:41 pm »
I have always considered legalese to be nothing more than another form of verbal jugglery which often rewards cowardice in the face of evil and punishes those who take action against it. This is why cowards love word jugglery I suspect!?