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Israel says that building more and more settlements deeper and deeper into Palestine is a self-defense act. I don't take them seriously either.

On that documentary video, it not explain a single policy of Russia on "making settlement for White Russian only"'s policy, therefore, Russia's expansionist is considered as imperialism, absorbing people of conquered territories to be part of Russian people, not "colonialism", you just making it up to vilify Russia, and you have no problem NATO nations military presence almost on every territory of the world, and supporting Israel more than Russia, what a pathetic hypocrite

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"absorbing people of conquered territories to be part of Russian people"

Like this?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/sakhalin/

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In October 1946 the Soviets began to repatriate all remaining Japanese.[citation needed] By 1950 most had been sent, willing or not, to Hokkaidō, though they had to leave all of their possessions behind, including any currency they had, Russian or Japanese.

Or like this?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/alaska/

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the Russian promyshlenniki forced the Aleuts to do the work for them, often by taking hostage family-members in exchange for hunted seal-furs.[5] This pattern of colonial exploitation resembled some of the Russian promyshlenniki practices in their expansion into Siberia and the Russian Far East.[6] As word spread of the potential riches in furs, competition among Russian companies increased and the Aleuts were enslaved.
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Hostages were taken, families were split up, and individuals were forced to leave their villages and settle elsewhere.
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 As the Shelekhov-Golikov Company of 1783-1799 developed a monopoly, its use of skirmishes and violent incidents turned into systematic violence as a tool of colonial exploitation of the indigenous people.

Or like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_settlements_in_the_Soviet_Union#Iranians_and_Assyrians

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in 1950 all Iranians, with the exception of persons of Armenian ethnicity, were resettled from Georgia, a population of some 4,776 persons, and in the same year thousands of Christian ethnic Assyrians were deported from Armenia and Georgia to Kazakhstan.[7]

Or like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_racism_in_Russia#Effects_on_Indigenous_groups_in_Russia

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The dispossession of Indigenous peoples from their lands throughout Russia for natural resource extraction has a long historical context of racism.[3]:44 According to Indigenous studies scholar Aileen Espiritu, "As non-European peoples, the Khanty, Mansi and Yamalo-Nenets were seen as inferior races by the Russians, and were therefore exploited for their goods and resources.

Or like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Chinese_in_the_Soviet_Union

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By the 1940s, Chinese had become almost extinct in the Russian Far East, although there were more than 200 thousands Chinese before the October Revolution in 1921.[1][2] The detailed history of how the Chinese became distinct still needs to be uncovered and deciphered from the Soviet records.[2] As local East Asians were forced to leave, Europeans were also forced to migrate to the Far East from Europe and Siberia, and eventually became dominant in the local population.[3]

"you just making it up to vilify Russia"

Jews say I am just making it up to vilify Israel. I don't take them seriously either.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/
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After seeing your historical facts on how "White Russian" people and their governments expulsing and mass deportate "non-White Russian" people throughout Russia's land in the past, even though it happen during Communist Russia which embrace ""racial" equality", I begin to lose hope on Russia, I must accept that you saying the truth about Russia now, and you won the entire debate. But, in your ambition to destroy Russia because of their ignoble or immoral attitude, beside that, you should have a plan to totally destroy United States too, and the land of former of indigenous people's possession given back to them, and United States to be weakened, removed, or if cannot removed, got divided and balkanized, United States is the nation which formed on racism, expulsion, and mass genocide of "native American" people by Western European colonist people, it also same on "Canada", "Australia", and "New Zealand", if you want total justice on this world, you should do that too

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/tokyo-olympics-daley-russian-tv-104009179.html

British diver Daley has been won of Team GB's Tokyo superstars and on Saturday morning added a bronze medal to his gold.

On Friday it emerged that Olympic officials are to investigate homophobic comments made on Russian television over discriminatory slurs made against him.

Member of the LGBT community were referred to as "dirt", "perverts" and "psychopaths" on Russian state TV, according to The Times.

Rossiya 1 channel's 60 Minutes current affairs programme showed footage of Daley and his husband, Lance, with presenter Olga Skabeyeva taking aim at the Briton after he won gold in the men's 10m synchronised platform event with partner Matty Lee.

Russian Olympic Committee divers Aleksandr Bondar and Viktor Minibaev won bronze in the event, the former portrayed as a "normal guy" with Daley labelled "a British homosexual".

"In Britain, of course, they have their own values," Skabeyeva stated, while a panellist on the programme called LBGT athletes "an abomination".
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New Zealand's trans athlete Laurel Hubbard also came in for attack when Russian MP Alexei Zhuravlyov, a panellist on the show, referred to her Tokyo appearance as "smut and perversion."

On another programme, a presenter mocked Hubbard by putting on a wig to mock the Kiwi weightlifter.

Anatoly Kuzichev called transgender people "psychopaths" and said they needed psychiatric treatment.

On this case, homosexual people indeed a degenerate people, homosexual people is not normal people that their s*x activity can't resulting diseases and infection because unclean activity of their s*x, they are bastard of a nation and need to be reeducated in concentration camp, even Islamic religion that you like and heavily support strongly against the ****, or homosexual people, and also transgender people, and movements that supporting LGBT people like you will never make Islamic people interested on your movement, even they will against you, homosexuals, transgender, and another un-normal behaviour that run under the banner of rainbow flag is need to be wiped out

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You are still colonized:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam#Modern_era

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authors Lapidus and Salaymeh write that before the 19th century Ottoman society had been open and welcoming to homosexuals and that by the 1850s via European influence they began censoring homosexuality in their society.[20]
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Klauda states that "Countless writers and artists such as André Gide, Oscar Wilde, Edward M. Forster, and Jean Genet made pilgrimages in the 19th and 20th centuries from homophobic Europe to Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, and various other Arab countries, where homosexual sex was not only met without any discrimination or subcultural ghettoization whatsoever, but rather, additionally as a result of rigid segregation of the sexes, seemed to be available on every corner."[120]
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Tilo Beckers writes that "Besides the endogenous changes in the interpretation of scriptures having a deliberalizing influence that came from within Islamic cultures, the rejection of homosexuality in Islam gained momentum through the exogenous effects of European colonialism, that is, the import of Western cultural understandings of homosexuality as a perversion."[17]
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the current prejudice against it among Muslim publics stems from an amalgamation of traditional Islamic legal theory with popular notions that were imported from Europe during the colonial era, when Western military and economic superiority made Western notions of sexuality particularly influential in the Muslim world."[122]

In some Muslim-majority countries, current anti-LGBT laws were enacted by United Kingdom or Soviet organs and retained following independence.[18][19]
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The Ottoman Sultanic law (qanun) tended to equalize the treatment of hetero- and homosexuals. Dream interpretation literature accepted homosexuality as natural, and karagoz, the principal character of popular puppet theater, engaged in both active and passive gay sex. However, in the 19th century, Ottoman society started to be influenced by European ideas about sexuality as well as the criticism leveled at the Ottoman society by European authors for its sexual and gender norms, including homosexuality. This criticism associated the weakness of the Ottoman state and corruption of the Ottoman government with Ottoman sexual corruption. By the 1850s, these ideas were prompting embarrassment and self-censorship among the Ottoman public regarding traditional attitudes toward sex in general and homosexuality in particular. Dream interpretation literature declined, the puppet theater was purged of its coarser elements, and homoeroticism began to be regarded as abnormal and shameful.

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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2021, 01:20:02 am »
After I researching and studying about World War 2 and the nations's ideology who are on that events, I conclude that "Aryanism" interpretation of Hitler's socialism is just making it up as an "anti-racist" ideology, even tough it was very racist and supporting "White Western European" people, this is Hitler's sayings that reflecting his ideological worldview :



Adolf Hitler's racist view towards Russian people

"The Russian space is our India. Like the English, we shall rule this empire with a handful of men." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 35 (PDF format's page) paragraph 8

"It's not a mere chance that the inventor of anarchism was a Russian. Unless other peoples, beginning with the Vikings, had imported some rudiments of organisation into Russian humanity, the Russians would still be living like rabbits. One cannot change rabbits into bees or ants. These insects have the faculty of living in a state of society—but rabbits haven't." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 36 (PDF format's page) paragraph 1

"Asia,, what a disquieting reservoir of men ! The safety of Europe will not be assured until we have driven Asia back behind the Urals. No organised Russian State must be allowed to exist west of that line. They are brutes, and neither Bolshevism nor Tsarism makes any difference—they are brutes in a state of nature" - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 42 (PDF format's page) paragraph 5

"It was a relief to me that we weren't obliged to destroy Paris. The greater the calm with which I contemplate the destruction of St. Petersburg and Moscow, the more I'd have suffered at the destruction of Paris." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 100 (PDF format's page) paragraph 3




Adolf Hitler's racist view towards Ukrainian and Eastern European people, and even he wanted to treat them like colonial subject

"I am not a partisan, either, of a university at Kiev. It's better not to teach them to read. They won't love us for tormenting them with schools. Even to give them a locomotive to drive would be a mistake." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 36 (PDF format's page) paragraph 5

"On the 22nd of June, a door opened before us, and we didn't know what was behind it. We could look out for gas warfare, bacteriological warfare. The heavy uncertainty took me by the throat. Here we were faced by beings who are complete strangers to us. Everything that resembles civilisation, the Bolsheviks have suppressed it, and I have no feelings about the idea of wiping out Kiev, Moscow or St. Petersburg" - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 73  (PDF format's page) paragraph 6

"We'll supply the Ukranians with scarves, glass beads and everything that colonial peoples like. The Germans—this is essential—will have to constitute amongst themselves a closed society, like a fortress. The least of our stable-lads must be superior to any native" - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 36 (PDF format's page) paragraph 7 and paragraph 8

"In comparison with the beauties accumulated in Central Germany, the new territories in the East seem to us like a desert. Flanders, too, is only a plain—but of what beauty! This Russian desert, we shall populate it. The immense spaces of the Eastern Front will have been the field of the greatest battles in history. We'll give this country a past."

"We'll take away its character of an Asiatic steppe, we'll Européanise it. With this object, we have undertaken the construction of roads that will lead to the southernmost point of the Crimea and to the Caucasus. These roads will be studded along their whole length with German towns, and around these towns our colonists will settle." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 70 paragraph 2 and paragraph 3

As for the two or three million men whom we need to accomplish this task, we'll find them quicker than we think. They'll come from Germany, Scandinavia, the Western countries and America. I shall no longer be here to see all that, but in twenty years the Ukraine will already be a home for twenty million inhabitants besides the natives. In three hundred years, the country will be one of the loveliest gardens in the world.

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 70 paragraph 7

Even Hitler wanted the Eastern European people to be replaced and repopulated by "White" people from Western European nations, and he wanted to colonize them, so he was colonial leader, this is what he said about his plan on Eastern European people:

"As far as we are concerned, we, too, must avoid overenthusiasm in our Eastern territories; we must not try too ardently to impose our own German ideas of personal cleanliness on the local inhabitants and attack them daily with currycomb and polish. It really does not matter to us whether they wash and sweep their houses daily; we are not their overseers, all we are there for is to promote our own interests.

The life of the German colonists must therefore be kept as far separate from that of the local inhabitants as is possible. In the pubs in which the natives spit all over the shop no German must be allowed to enter. The Germans must have their own pubs, from which the natives will be excluded. Then the locals can spit away to their hearts' content." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 577 (PDF format's page) paragraph 2 and paragraph 3

"As for the ridiculous hundred million Slavs, we will mould the best of them to the shape that suits us, and we will isolate the rest of them in their own pig-styes; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local inhabitant and civilising him, goes straight off into a concentration camp!" - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 619 (PDF format's page) paragraph 3 and paragraph 5

"If Germany hadn't had the good fortune to let me take power in 1933, Europe today would no longer exist. The fact is that since I've been in power, I've had only a single idea: to re-arm. That's how I was able, last summer, to decide to attack Russia.

Confronted with the innumerable populations of the East, we cannot exist except on condition that all Germanics are united. They must compose the nucleus around which Europe will federate. On the day when we've solidly organised Europe, we shall be able to look towards Africa. And, who knows? perhaps one day we shall be able to entertain other ambitions." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 330 (PDF Format's page) paragraph 2 and paragraph 3

From that Hitler's saying, even he wanted to conquer Africa and their innocent people, what a cruel man



Hitler was not an anti-colonial leader, he even wanted the British (United Kingdom) to preserve their colonial empire, this is what he said about British Empire and British people, and also others about colonialism :

"My object in trying to come to terms with England was to avoid creating an irreparable situation in the West. Later, when I attacked eastwards and lanced' the communist abscess, I hoped thereby to rekindle a spark of common sense in the minds of the Western Powers." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Bormann, Martin – Testament of Adolf Hitler (Hitler-Bormann Documents) Page 5 (PDF format's page) the early paragraph


Hitler was defending the one of previous generation German people who colonise "black" people in some of territory of Africa continent

"Prince Arenberg, one of our earliest adherents, has told me many interesting tales of pioneering days in our colonies. He was once sentenced to twelve years' penal servitude—and served six of them—for having killed a **** who had attacked him ! The answer to people who asserted that we were not good colonisers, he said, was that with the methods we tried to employ we could not get any colonies at all ! And his opinion was based on a very considerable amount of thought." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 615 (PDF format's page) paragraph 2


Hitler said about promoting a book to German people who ever travel abroad during that time, that it's content is justifying British (United Kingdom) and Spanish colonialism of India and Mexico

"I have just been reading some books which every German going abroad should be compelled to read. The first of them is Alsdorff's book, which should be read by every diplomat. According to it, it was not the British who taught Indians evil ways ; when the first white men landed in the country they found the walls surrounding many of the towns were constructed of human skulls; equally, it was not Gortez who brought cruelty to the Mexicans—it was there before he arrived. The Mexicans, indeed, indulged in extensive human sacrifice, and, when the spirit moved them, would sacrifice as many as twenty thousand human beings at a time ! In comparison, Cortez was a moderate man. There is no need whatever to go rushing round the world making the native more healthy than the white man. Some people I know are indignant at the sale of shoddy cotton goods to the natives; what, pray, do they suggest—that we should give them pure silk?" - Adolf Hitler

Source : Adolf Hitler - Table Talk page 657 (PDF format's page) paragraph 3

Nazi media propaganda not condemning British colonial Empire, even justify them, see this information below :

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_propaganda_and_the_United_Kingdom

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Initially, the aim of Nazi foreign policy was to create an Anglo-German alliance, so before 1938, Nazi propaganda tended to glorify British institutions, and above all the British Empire.[1] Even regarding it, along with France, as "decadent democracies", Joseph Goebbels set out to court them.[2]

Typical of the Nazi admiration for the British Empire were a lengthy series of articles in various German newspapers throughout the mid-1930s praising various aspects of British imperial history, with the clear implication that there were positive parallels to be drawn between British empire-building in the past and German empire-building in the future.[3] The esteem in which the British Empire was held can be gauged by the fact that the lavish adoration heaped upon Britain's empire was not matched by similar coverage of other European empires both past and present.[3] An example of this sort of coverage was a long article in the Berliner Illustrierte Zeitung newspaper in 1936 extolling the British for "brutally" resolving the Fashoda Incident of 1898 with France in their favour with no regard for diplomatic niceties.[3] Another example of Nazi anglophilia included a series of widely promoted biographies and historical novels commemorating various prominent "Aryan" figures from British history such as Cromwell, Marlborough, Nelson, Rhodes, Wellington, and Raleigh.[4]

A particular theme of praise was offered for British “ruthlessness” and "lack of moral scruples" in building and defending their empire, which was held as a model for the Germans to follow.[5] Hitler professed an admiration for the imperial might of the British Empire in Zweites Buch as proof of the racial superiority of the Aryan race, and British rule in India was held up as a model for how the Germans would rule Eastern Europe.[6]

Perhaps more importantly for gauging the Nazi regime's pro-British feelings in its early years was the prominence given to Englandkunde (English studies) within German schools and the lavish praise offered to British youth organisations as a model within the Hitler Youth.[7]

And this "True Left" forum which is another place of people from aryanism.net, promoting that Hitler's policies accept "Non-White European" people's immigration to Europe to settle on that place and allowing intermarriage between "White European" people and "Non-White European" people, the facts is opposite, see this information :

Hitler's regime forbid intermarriage between "White European" people and people other than "White European" racial background

"Third Reich's monthly magazine Neues Volk had a page for questions and answers, and one answer regarding racial mixing between Germans and Chinese was published in March 1941: "One question is from a woman whose mother wished her to marry a Chinese man, with whose child she is pregnant. The answer: “Since you had such little resistance to your mother, who has forgotten her racial nature, you have no right to play the disappointed girl. You will have to bear the consequences of your shameful behavior..... You gave in to the Chinaman, who has shamefully abused our hospitality and grossly violated our land’s morality.... We have seen to it that his residence permit has been revoked. Marriage between a German and a Chinese is out of the question.”""

Source : https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/neuesvolk.htm

Hitler against the "Black" people's entering Europe

"France is and remains by far the most terrible enemy. This people, which is basically becoming more and more negrified, constitutes in its tie with the aims of Jewish world domination an enduring danger for the existence of the white race in Europe. For the contamination by Negro blood on the Rhine in the heart of Europe is just as much in keeping with the perverted sadistic thirst for vengeance of this hereditary enemy of our people as is the ice-cold calculation of the Jew thus to begin bastardizing the European continent at its core and to deprive the white race of the foundations for a sovereign existence through infection with lower humanity." volume two, chapter XIII of Mein Kampf

Hitler's policy on who are people can be part of German people, he forbid "Colored" people to be German

«Germanization can only be applied to soil and never to people. It is a scarcely conceivable fallacy of thought to believe that a Negro or a Chinese, let us say, will turn into a German…» – Mein Kampf, volume two, chapter II «The State», «False Conceptions of ‘Germanisation’»

And, "Aryanism" community that you all made is view "Aryan" is a farming people and group of people who make earlier civilization, and they can be found on all over the world regardless of their skin color and place of origin, but the fact is opposite, see this Hitler's regime racial law :

Classification of "Aryan" people



The picture of "Aryan" people's face



And this is Alfred Rosenberg, Hitler's regime ideologist's view on immigration of "Non-White European Colored" people to Europa land...

Immigration into Germany, which was earlier restricted along religious lines, was later unrestricted. No feelings of or for Jewish
humanity must in the future be carried out because of our Nordic racial and hygienic views. For example, nothing will stand in the way
of granting citizenship to Nordic Scandinavians, but insuperable difficulties must be placed in the way of migration of mulattoid
elements from the south or east.
Persons who are afflicted with hereditary diseases must be refused permanent residence, or their
capacity for reproduction must be restricted by medical intervention. The same must occur with habitual criminals. Marriages between
Germans and Jews must be forbidden, at least as long as Jews generally remain upon German soil." - Alfred Rosenberg

Source : Rosenberg, Alfred - Myth of the Twentieth Century page 129 (PDF format's page) paragraph 3

"In order to preserve Europe, the sources of Nordic strength in Europe must be brought alive again,  strengthened. This includes Germany, Scandinavia, Finland and England. Conversely, the influence of France, which in the south is already completely Mulattoised, must be halted so that it can no longer act as an advance area for the Africans. Presently, this is the  case, and in increasing measure. It is necessary that the Nordic kingdoms mentioned, in addition to the United states of America, recognise the prerequisite of their own powerful existence." - Alfred Rosenberg

Source : Rosenberg, Alfred - Myth of the Twentieth Century page 143 paragraph 2

Compare all of Hitler regime's view and policies to Stalin's regime views and policies

This is what Stalin said about his goals :

Stalin condemn the Western European colonialism explicitly, and wanted to liberate people from Western European colonialism

"The West, with its imperialist ogres, has become a centre of darkness and slavery. The task is to destroy this centre, to the joy and relief of the workers." - Stalin, Zhizn Narsional' nosti, No. 6 (1918)

Source : Suvorov, Icebreaker page 13 (PDF format's page)

When he moved his icebreaker - German Nazism - against democratic Europe, Stalin had been planning to liquidate the Nazis for five years before they took over in Germany. 'Smash fascism, overthrow capitalism, establish Soviet power and free the colonies from slavery.' (Stalin, Sochineniya, Vol. 11, p. 202)

Source : Suvorov, Icebreaker page 37 (PDF format's page) paragraph 4

This is how Stalin viewing "Non-White European" colored people, he even wanted to unify people of all racial background, as long as they are good people of proletariat, regardless of their racial background, they can be part of Russian people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZqR2KEd_hk


That is all of Hitler's view of this world and his foreign and domestic policy, the conclusion is, Hitler was a racist leader who wanted to destroy Eastern European people, and support Western European nations's colonialism and domination of the world, and his ideology is just racialism masquerade as "socialism", and you consider that you are a left wing people that against racism and oppression, of course no!, you are a bastard of every leftist people


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I literally did not read anything else said here just so I can say I dislike the Ukraine. Ukrainian Nationalist like Azov are Israeli funded and are hypocritical.

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Re : Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2021, 08:30:34 pm »
To all of people of "True Left" forum and people who already read the content of aryanism.net ideological website, there is important information that you all must understand and know

David Myatt, former Neo-Nazi that "Aryanism" people use his interpretations method as guidelines to understanding National Socialism ideology, regret of supporting that ideology

This is few of writings of his thoughts on National Socialism ideology

"A Numinous View of The National-Socialism of Adolf Hitler"
 
Let us now consider the six points enumerated above, in respect of the philosophical and ethical viewpoint of The Numinous Way...

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(iv) The use of particular abstractions (for example nation and race) as a criteria for judgement and for evaluating individual worth.
 
According to both empathy and honour, such a judgement of others, such prejudice, on the basis of some abstraction such as perceived race or 'nationality' is immoral [9]. The only moral, honourable, criteria is to judge individuals as individuals, sans all abstractions, on the basis of a personal knowing of them extending over a duration of causal Time. To judge en masse, without such a direct, personal, extended, personal knowing of each and every individual is reprehensible.
 
In addition, it is immoral – unempathic, uncompasionate, dishonourable – to treat people on the basis of their assumed or alleged race or nationality. Thus, the enforced herding of people into 'concentration camps' on the basis of alleged, assumed, race or nationality is quite unjustifiable, inhuman"

Source : David Myatt - Analysing National Socialism page 8 (PDF format's page) paragraph 2, paragraph 3, and paragraph 4


You all who have the goodhearted and moral feelings should abandon National Socialism

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You are still colonized:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam#Modern_era

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authors Lapidus and Salaymeh write that before the 19th century Ottoman society had been open and welcoming to homosexuals and that by the 1850s via European influence they began censoring homosexuality in their society.[20]
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Klauda states that "Countless writers and artists such as André Gide, Oscar Wilde, Edward M. Forster, and Jean Genet made pilgrimages in the 19th and 20th centuries from homophobic Europe to Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, and various other Arab countries, where homosexual sex was not only met without any discrimination or subcultural ghettoization whatsoever, but rather, additionally as a result of rigid segregation of the sexes, seemed to be available on every corner."[120]
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Tilo Beckers writes that "Besides the endogenous changes in the interpretation of scriptures having a deliberalizing influence that came from within Islamic cultures, the rejection of homosexuality in Islam gained momentum through the exogenous effects of European colonialism, that is, the import of Western cultural understandings of homosexuality as a perversion."[17]
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the current prejudice against it among Muslim publics stems from an amalgamation of traditional Islamic legal theory with popular notions that were imported from Europe during the colonial era, when Western military and economic superiority made Western notions of sexuality particularly influential in the Muslim world."[122]

In some Muslim-majority countries, current anti-LGBT laws were enacted by United Kingdom or Soviet organs and retained following independence.[18][19]
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The Ottoman Sultanic law (qanun) tended to equalize the treatment of hetero- and homosexuals. Dream interpretation literature accepted homosexuality as natural, and karagoz, the principal character of popular puppet theater, engaged in both active and passive gay sex. However, in the 19th century, Ottoman society started to be influenced by European ideas about sexuality as well as the criticism leveled at the Ottoman society by European authors for its sexual and gender norms, including homosexuality. This criticism associated the weakness of the Ottoman state and corruption of the Ottoman government with Ottoman sexual corruption. By the 1850s, these ideas were prompting embarrassment and self-censorship among the Ottoman public regarding traditional attitudes toward sex in general and homosexuality in particular. Dream interpretation literature declined, the puppet theater was purged of its coarser elements, and homoeroticism began to be regarded as abnormal and shameful.

We are willing to treat anyone as an individual until they unequivocally prove to us that they themselves do not see themselves as an individual first-and-foremost because they only identify with a group identity. "White Nationalists" are primary examples of this as their perceived "whiteness" and "white" identity is more important to them than their national identity as Americans, Germans, English, etc. The same can be said for other tribalists as well.

In other words, If the identity you yourself identify with creates an "out-group" dichotomy then we will not treat you as an individual but by your group identity.

Lastly, if Russia does not wish to identify with the in-group versus out-group dichotomy that is inherent of Western Civilization, then why did it participate in Western colonialism, and why does it appreciate Western culture?

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...Lastly, if Russia does not wish to identify with the in-group versus out-group dichotomy that is inherent of Western Civilization, then why did it participate in Western colonialism, and why does it appreciate Western culture?

Russia already redeem their fault on colonialism during Stalin autocratic socialist leadership, according to what my friend says about Communist Russia, during that socialist era, whether "White European Russian" people, or "Non-White Colored European Russian" people, they have same treatment and got same education and access to public facilities, and it's fair treatment spread to all across Russian territory, not just Russian territory that majority of "White European" people are inhabitated, but also including territory that Russia formerly colonized during Tsarist era that majority of it's people are "Non-White European" people, Communism system did not concern much to racialism policy like what Hitler's regime sadistically did, and against colonialism action so, your statements that Russia still a colonial nation is refuted, and I believe what my friends say about Russia to me, because he ever lived in Russia in the past and exactly know what really happen in Russia, and all of your statements that Russia need to give back the land that they already got in the East from Ural mountains into near Alaska to the natives people because of their colonial action in the past, it doesn't necessary to do that, Russia already integrated that land and treat the natives people fairly like how they treat the native "White European Russian" people, and they (the natives) can be Russian citizens, so they, the Russian people already repair their evil action in the past

And if you want Russian people to give back the land that they ever "colonized" in the past, you must want the same thing on "American" (United States) people that you love so much, give all the lands that formerly belong to the natives "red-skin" people back to them, and reduce the United States territory that built and inhabitated by majority "White Western European" people in the past into only the coast territory of "Eastern North America", or we can called it "Thirteen Colonies", and "White Western European" people that already live in "America" continent must only live on that coast territory

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your statements that Russia still a colonial nation is refuted

Russia has officially apologized for it's colonialism and given all of the land it stole from indigenous people's back to those people? Because this is what we are calling on ALL former colonial powers to do, including: Britain, France, Spain, Germany, Portugal, etc. That is of course if they are truly sorry for their colonial past?

Of course Russia has not! SO apologetic is Russia in regards to it's colonial history it decided to recolonize Crimea FFS!!!

Russia’s Recolonization of Crimea
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Drawing from over a decade of experience researching Crimean identities, the author highlights key developments and transformations from the past six years of Russian occupation to show how the annexation of Crimea represents not a “reunification,” as the Kremlin claims, but rather a recolonization. Promises of economic gains have not been met, and liberties have been restricted. The Crimean Tatars have suffered most of all; in a reprise of their forced displacement under Stalin, many have gone into exile on the Ukrainian mainland.
https://online.ucpress.edu/currenthistory/article-abstract/119/819/275/111864/Russia-s-Recolonization-of-Crimea?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Spin your gibberish anyway you wish, I remain unimpressed, however!


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Russia has officially apologized for it's colonialism and given all of the land it stole from indigenous people's back to those people?...

They already did that during Communist era on Stalin leadership, I already told you on previous conversation post on this thread, you cannot consider Russia during Communist or socialist era as a colonialist, they treated the indigenous "Non-White European Russian" people that previously Russian people conquer and colonize them more better rather than what the Tsarist Russia did to them, Communist Russia and Pre-Communist Russia were different

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...the annexation of Crimea represents not a “reunification,” as the Kremlin claims, but rather a recolonization.

Russian government need to be tough on Ukrainian people, remembering that they ever collaborated with Hitler's Nazi soldiers during World War 2, and Crimea for a long time belong to Russian people...

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...The Crimean Tatars have suffered most of all; in a reprise of their forced displacement under Stalin, many have gone into exile on the Ukrainian mainland.

Soviet Russia persecuted Crimean Tatar people because they are the most of people on the Ukrainian land who are ever collaborate with Stalin government's enemy, that is Hitler's Germany and his soldiers during World War 2 era on German invasion of whole Eastern Europe, so that action is totally justified, this is also apply to forced relocation of Chinese people in Soviet Russia's east territory near China and Japanese's occupied territory on Manchuria, they anticipated the pro-nationalist anti-Communist Chinese action by Chinese people by doing that forced relocation, and also apply to forced relocation of Iranian people that live in Russian territory near Iran border, because Iranian people are mostly supporting Hitler's regime during that time, and Hitler very hate Russian people and Stalin, and even wanted to wiped them out


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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #87 on: August 18, 2021, 03:18:43 am »
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VICTORY!

https://www.businessinsider.com/taliban-to-declare-islamic-emirate-of-afghanistan-official-2021-8

And... the good things also happen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nRZ277qnnY

Why stay? Why leave? | Russian Diplomats Stay in Afghanistan

"...the main thing is that the Taliban as they vowed, are set up for a peaceful transition of power, they guarantee the security of foreign diplomatic mission including our embassy" - Russian Envoy to Afghanistan

(Minute 01 : 02 until 01 : 10)

Taliban people know much who are their friends and their enemies, and they believe in Russian people, of course they can be our partner, on historical records, it's not Russia who oppress the world with their military power, secret agents, and their economic system, but Western European nations that want their colonial legacy continue

Now, hate them too...

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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #88 on: August 18, 2021, 06:15:02 am »
Russia support Afghanistan Islamic people to defend their homeland

Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET0oLOV0_QY

Countries Which Alleged Supporting Taliban

"...one of the suspected supporters is Russia, previously, Russia was suspected of providing weapons to the Taliban to fight ISIS which controlled Afghanistan, Russia's intervention was a form of suspicion to the US, Russia considered that the US was unable to stabilize Afghanistan." 

Stop vilifying Russia, and don't be an Anglophile


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Re: Afghanistan
« Reply #89 on: August 21, 2021, 07:52:01 pm »
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Your country America did not do this to you. A bunch of rightist politicians in the U.S. and Israel did! They all have names and they all have addresses! I can give you a complete list of all of them if you wish?

Osama bin Laden, leader of Taliban paramilitary group said that if a nation that using democracy as their system of government, then, when a nation did a crime and destructive act against other nation either with military, economic, and subversive action, then the fault is not only to some of people of a nation, but all of governments's officials and it's majority of people that elect them, seeing that democracy is a system of government that based on the will of the people, so all of United States and their democratic Western European allies's crime to the world are fault of their people too

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"A few months later in a 2002 letter, he made no mention of this justification but claimed "that since the United States is a democracy, all citizens bear responsibility for its government's actions, and civilians are therefore fair targets."[83][84]"

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Beliefs_and_ideology

If you have moral, don't be an American apologist, or even Hitler apologist