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Balkanization of America
« on: October 20, 2022, 01:48:12 am »
What should do the True Left just in case America does balkanize into multiple countries? That seems more likely than ever, and could easily give a home to White Nationalism.

Should we support Canada and/or Mexico annexing former American territory?

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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2022, 02:35:12 am »
"What should do the True Left just in case America does balkanize into multiple countries?"

Look to Lincoln as our precedent:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/abraham-lincoln/msg9922/#msg9922

Rightists must especially not be allowed to control any territory containing strategically important resources. You must figure out which territories these are and be prepared to re-acquire them ASAP by any means necessary.

"Should we support Canada and/or Mexico annexing former American territory?"

There is no guarantee that they will be on our side. (Recall how willing they were to work with Trump during his term!) It will depend on who is in charge at the time and what their motives are. They could be annexing US territory to deny rightists access to it, or they could be annexing US territory to deny leftists access to it. Therefore no general answer can be given ahead of time.
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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2022, 03:24:13 am »
"Look to Lincoln as our precedent:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/abraham-lincoln/msg9922/#msg9922

Rightists must especially not be allowed to control any territory containing strategically important resources. You must figure out which territories these are and be prepared to re-acquire them ASAP by any means necessary."

The Pacific Northwest is divided with leftists in the Willamette Valley and Puget Sound, and rightists in the rest of Oregon and Washington.

I believe that the Pacific Northwest will face an uphill battle (even more than the Midwest and the South), but by encouraging the left to move there and settle in rural areas, we will increase our chances of winning.

"There is no guarantee that they will be on our side. (Recall how willing they were to work with Trump during his term!) It will depend on who is in charge at the time and what their motives are. They could be annexing US territory to deny rightists access to it, or they could be annexing US territory to deny leftists access to it. Therefore no general answer can be given ahead of time."

On the plus side, Mexico could get all of it's territory (including Texas) that was stolen by the US in the War of Aggression Against Mexico.

But then again, Arizona, Utah, and Texas still have to undergo more Demographic Blueshift in order to make sure Mexico faces less resistance if and when the right Mexican leader does decide to reclaim it's former territory in the event of the Balkanization of America.

If Canada does have the right leadership at the time of a hypothetical balkanization of the US, Oregon and Washington should join it to help push Canada more left (and vice versa!).

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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2022, 04:04:25 am »
"Mexico could get all of it's territory (including Texas) that was stolen by the US in the War of Aggression Against Mexico."

Besides the fact that this would almost certainly screw up our Demographic Blueshift plan, what about the nuclear arsenal which Mexico would end up with?



"Arizona, Utah, and Texas still have to undergo more Demographic Blueshift in order to make sure Mexico faces less resistance if and when the right Mexican leader does decide to reclaim it's former territory in the event of the Balkanization of America."

I don't think you understand the point of Demographic Blueshift. If Mexico moves the border northwards, it would be as if all those (mostly Blue voters) who migrated across the current border to live in the border states never migrated, since they would then suddenly no longer be in the US!



The states we successfully turn Blue are the states we need to keep in the US in order for Demographic Blueshift to work.

"If Canada does have the right leadership at the time of a hypothetical balkanization of the US, Oregon and Washington should join it to help push Canada more left (and vice versa!)."

And leave the US more rightist? You think this is a good trade?
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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2022, 07:04:45 am »
Balkanization is a Duginist strategy.

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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2022, 05:49:42 pm »
"Besides the fact that this would almost certainly screw up our Demographic Blueshift plan, what about the nuclear arsenal which Mexico would end up with?

I don't think you understand the point of Demographic Blueshift. If Mexico moves the border northwards, it would be as if all those (mostly Blue voters) who migrated across the current border to live in the border states never migrated, since they would then suddenly no longer be in the US!"

You're right. That's something I'll have to learn more about. I am saying this as if the US were to cease to exist as country, which is a very real possiblity!

"The states we successfully turn Blue are the states we need to keep in the US in order for Demographic Blueshift to work."

Of course! What if the US ceases to exist (aka breaks up into many countries) due to balkanization though, which is a very real reality that we may likely have to face in the next 5-15 years?

Someone like Adam Kokesh (Jew) or Tulsi Gabbard (Gentile) could easily allow this to happen, if they ever take power.

"And leave the US more rightist? You think this is a good trade?"

Of course not! I should have said "if Canada has the correct (not right as in the Right, but a True Left or close to True Left) leadership".

I want to have a backup plan for Aryanists just in case the US does break up into many countries, and if the chances of the US reuniting quickly are slim to none, which unfortunately most likely does seem like the case in the next 5-15 years, due to the false left and the right trying to balkanize America alike.

Look, I don't want the US to break up into multiple countries either, but I also like having backup plans as well, since it seems more and more likely! Just look at the Greater Idaho and San Bernardino secession plans!



Already those are very likely to happen! I know Kari Lake (Gentile) has called for secession from the US as well, and so is Texas!

If the US does collapse into many countries, I would also hope Russia is weakened by then and collapses, with China, Finland, Germany, Iran, Japan, etc reclaiming their lands.

"Balkanization is a Duginist strategy."

I'm well aware of that, and Dugin (Gentile) is obviously a partner to Putin (Jew) and Trump (Jew). To prevent Duginism from happening, I want to make sure that Karafuto goes back to Japan, Outer Manchuria back to China, Konigsberg back to Germany, etc.

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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2022, 06:22:44 pm »
"What if the US ceases to exist (aka breaks up into many countries) due to balkanization though, which is a very real reality that we may likely have to face in the next 5-15 years?"

Then we must wage ruthless war to re-unify it, as Lincoln did. Above all we must get the nuclear arsenal out of our enemies' control. This is answer I already gave here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/balkanization-of-america/msg16120/#msg16120

"Someone like Adam Kokesh (Jew) or Tulsi Gabbard (Gentile) could easily allow this to happen, if they ever take power."

They should be assassinated.

"if the chances of the US reuniting quickly are slim to none"

We must do whatever it takes to increase the chances. Keep assassinating leaders of the enemy-controlled territories until no one dares to lead them. Starve the enemy populations by blocking supplies. And so on. But never accept a balkanized US as the new normal.

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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2022, 07:17:26 pm »
Also, in the event of balkanization, it is likely that leftists will retain control of many coastal territories. This will allow you to keep importing climate refugees via ships, who could then help take back the rightist-held territories. This is a fundamental HR advantage that the left possesses over the right, which you should capitalize on. The key is to have enough weapons ready to supply the climate refugees with.

The rightists will try to offset our advantage by increasing their birth rate. This is slower than our method, but if you let them do it for a few decades, they could succeed, which is why it is all the more crucial that you use our early HR advantage to defeat them before then.

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2022, 08:04:14 am »
"Then we must wage ruthless war to re-unify it, as Lincoln did. Above all we must get the nuclear arsenal out of our enemies' control. This is answer I already gave here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/balkanization-of-america/msg16120/#msg16120 "

I see now.

"They should be assassinated."

Agreed, without exception.

"We must do whatever it takes to increase the chances. Keep assassinating leaders of the enemy-controlled territories until no one dares to lead them. Starve the enemy populations by blocking supplies. And so on. But never accept a balkanized US as the new normal."

Absolutely!

But for the sake of argument, there are also may be the formation of new nations/folkish states (NOT countries) such as "New Afrika" and the "Republic of Lakotah".

What is your opinion on new nations/folkish states such as those forming in the event of the US balkanizing? Groups like the NFAC may form a country similar to "New Afrika" (hopefully not named that way). I'm not too sure if Grandmaster Jay himself stated that he wanted to form a new country.


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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2022, 08:12:03 am »
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Also, in the event of balkanization, it is likely that leftists will retain control of many coastal territories. This will allow you to keep importing climate refugees via ships, who could then help take back the rightist-held territories. This is a fundamental HR advantage that the left possesses over the right, which you should capitalize on. The key is to have enough weapons ready to supply the climate refugees with.

That and also in the event of balkanization, criminalize abortion in Leftist held territories and areas predominantly inhabited by leftists. How would we start propagating anti-abortion movements on the Left?

It's practical to side with the pro-abortion people right now, and it is becoming more and more necessary to do so, but then again.

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The rightists will try to offset our advantage by increasing their birth rate. This is slower than our method, but if you let them do it for a few decades, they could succeed, which is why it is all the more crucial that you use our early HR advantage to defeat them before then.

Another thing to consider in the event of the balkanization of the US, the Leftists should mandate abortion on areas that are predominantly Rightists and sterilize as much, if not all of the Rightists as well ASAP.

Database to track Rightists anyone?

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2022, 08:27:20 am »
This is quite unrelated, but a Leftist friend on a personal relationship level did his best to attempt to reunify with his Leftist friend that his Rightist parents destroyed it about a decade ago. To be fair, he did have a part in destroying the friendship with his friend, but he was still a child (albeit in the middle of puberty) and comes from a mentally handicapped background (Autistic). His Leftist friend's family initially rejected his offers to restart the friendship, but once he escaped his family, they attempted to reach out to him.

However, in a twist, with the police being used against him and out of social pressure, his friend's family did communicate and even told him to go back to his family, although once he made it to the same state as I live in his friend's family recognized his independence, but his own family didn't until just last month. He has apologized for destroying the friendship to his friend's family, and has been forgiven (a few years ago, a few months before COVID), and he eventually got closure from his friend.

Right now, what should he do with his family? He has plans to kill them as revenge for destroying his friendship, giving birth to him (he's definitely aware of Aryanism and National Socialism), and for being Rightists.

Should he do so?

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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2022, 04:11:00 pm »
"criminalize abortion in Leftist held territories and areas predominantly inhabited by leftists."

This would demoralize too many leftists, which we must avoid during a war against rightists. We will easily get all the HR we need from immigration.

If anything, portraying rightists as the villains (which they are) for criminalizing abortion in order to increase birth rate will be useful in inciting a war against them. We must portray ourselves as the side which wants to give land to people already born (and who are fleeing global warming), in contrast to rightists who want to create more new people during the very time when more and more of the planet is becoming uninhabitable (and hence do not deserve any land at all).

"the Leftists should mandate abortion on areas that are predominantly Rightists and sterilize as much, if not all of the Rightists as well ASAP."

And leave them alive to kill us later?! Are you crazy? If you are in a position powerful enough to sterilize them, you are in a position powerful enough to exterminate them. (In fact, it requires considerably less power to exterminate than to sterilize them, since the former can be achieved by siege or WMDs, whereas the latter requires surrender.)

"what should he do with his family? He has plans to kill them as revenge for destroying his friendship, giving birth to him (he's definitely aware of Aryanism and National Socialism), and for being Rightists.

Should he do so?"

Unless any of his family members are themselves in leadership positions, it would be more strategically valuable for him to target rightist leaders. What a waste it would have been if Yamagami had gone after a non-leader instead of Abe!
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2022, 07:38:51 pm »
"This would demoralize too many leftists, which we must avoid during a war against rightists. We will easily get all the HR we need from immigration.

If anything, portraying rightists as the villains (which they are) for criminalizing abortion in order to increase birth rate will be useful in inciting a war against them. We must portray ourselves as the side which wants to give land to people already born (and who are fleeing global warming), in contrast to rightists who want to create more new people during the very time when more and more of the planet is becoming uninhabitable (and hence do not deserve any land at all)."

I get it now.

"And leave them alive to kill us later?! Are you crazy? If you are in a position powerful enough to sterilize them, you are in a position powerful enough to exterminate them. (In fact, it requires considerably less power to exterminate than to sterilize them, since the former can be achieved by siege or WMDs, whereas the latter requires surrender.)"

Of course not! Yes, I do struggle with mental illness and I see that. I want to be practical with dealing with rightists though and false left traitors as well.

"Unless any of his family members are themselves in leadership positions, it would be more strategically valuable for him to target rightist leaders. What a waste it would have been if Yamagami had gone after a non-leader instead of Abe!"

His family members are not themselves in leadership positions, however, he does have family that are lawyers that could be used against him.

On the plus side, he has a supportive community, unfortunately mainly that of false-leftists and rightists. He's forced to compromise in order to preserve his independence (!!!).

However, he has floated the ideas of eventually helping other people like him running away and giving refuge to runaways as well, as well as refugees.

Should he help youth run away from abusive homes like he did? If so, how should he help them out? He's close to saving enough money for buying a plot of land and giving people places to stay as well. I see it as a precursor to housing immigrants and eventual communal living like that of Pythagoras and Plato.

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Re: Balkanization of America
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2022, 05:18:36 pm »
"Should he help youth run away from abusive homes like he did? If so, how should he help them out? He's close to saving enough money for buying a plot of land and giving people places to stay as well."

Yes. He should aim to develop it into a no-go zone. This requires equipping his lodgers with firearms and organizing them paramilitarily. Also, he must have measures in place to prevent infiltration by undercover enemies.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2022, 04:14:54 pm »
"Yes. He should aim to develop it into a no-go zone. This requires equipping his lodgers with firearms and organizing them paramilitarily. Also, he must have measures in place to prevent infiltration by undercover enemies."

I see. I plan on supporting him financially as well.

What do you think about naked identification cards (yes, that of a naked picture) of the lodgers (himself included) in order to prevent infiltration by undercover enemies?

A couple of our mutual friends have suggested even have the dimensions of body parts (including genitalia) in order to identify people, and especially to prevent infiltration. That and occasional naked exercising being required for all lodgers, irrespective of their gender.