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Re: Chinese Question
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2022, 03:12:28 am »
"And they don't care anymore about the previous agreement which they signed before, they want the new debt rate which they recently want to be paid."

Can they point to a valid contract that renders the previous agreement obsolete? If not, then the previous agreement still stands.

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Re: Chinese Question
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2022, 03:16:16 am »
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"And they don't care anymore about the previous agreement which they signed before, they want the new debt rate which they recently want to be paid."

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Can they point to a valid contract that renders the previous agreement obsolete? If not, then the previous agreement still stands.

They don't know and they don't want to know about that, they will force you to pay, and they will take your property one by one, if you cannot pay according the amount which they want. This case is illustrating how the Chinese do to the client nations. You support China, you lose support from the muslims and "Africans". Just pick a choice, it's easy, not like learning advanced maths and science

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Re: Chinese Question
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2022, 03:54:45 am »
"they will force you to pay"

How?

"and they will take your property one by one, if you cannot pay according the amount which they want."

Earlier you said:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/chinese-question/msg13266/#msg13266

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"Chinese workers already got protected to live on their land from the trapping agreements between China and the client nation."

By this description, they would have to be following the original agreement. But now you say they are not following the original agreement. How can they get protection from the original agreement while not following the original agreement?

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Re: Chinese Question
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2022, 04:00:43 am »
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By this description, they would have to be following the original agreement. But now you say they are not following the original agreement. How can they get protection from the original agreement while not following the original agreement?

They, the Chinese got protection because the government of the client state are afraid to expel them. Seeing the Chinese are superpower nation. If they dare to do that. China will do like what European colonial nations did in the past, invade the client states.

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Re: Chinese Question
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2022, 04:09:56 am »
"If they dare to do that. China will do like what European colonial nations did in the past, invade the client states."

That is your presumption only.

Anyway, if the other state thinks China is not sticking to the original agreement, it should simply point to the text. Until we hear in detail and on public record from both sides regarding the part of the text in dispute, we do not actually know whose interpretation of the text is more accurate.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2022, 10:31:28 am »
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/drc-chinese-australian-battle-control-093000599.html

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In the DRC, a Chinese-Australian battle for control of a massive untapped lithium lode

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No, dont sell it to the white men who enslaved your country to poverty

It really is that simple.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/australia/

Beware the Communist attitude from China. See this news's contents below...

Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdAZY0ER2CM

(Uploaded on Sunday, July 31th 2022)

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"Human rights advocates have accused China of exploiting thousands of Congolese Children. Children to work and cobalt minds. The exploitation has been going on for many years. Sky News did a profile. They did a great profile on this and the Children who work under these conditions. Here's some of it.

(See recorded video from 0 : 41 until 01 : 05)

"Eight-year-old Dorsen is mining to make your smartphone work. He's one of an army of children working in cobalt mines in this part of Africa. The though physical work pays as little as 8p a day.

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"When I'm working here I'm suffering. My mother, She's already dead... and I have to work all day and my head hurts me." I feel terrible knowing I have to come back here again. Everything hurts. When I wake up every morning... I feel terrible knowing I have to come back here again. Everything hurts." - Dorsen, the heroic warrior against the Chinese Colonialism

(See the recorded interview of him from 01 : 05 until 01 : 14)

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Growing demand for lithium-ion batteries fuels and industry driven by the US and Chinese corporations behind the smartphone and electric car markets. (That is the result if progressivism poisoning environmentalism idea - Kamerad Baren commenting) Children descend hand-dug shafts without any protective equipment. Children descend hand-dug shafts without any protective equipment. The tunnels frequently collapse.

Half of the world's cobalt is here in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC). The mine owners sell it to traders, many of them from China... who don't ask questions about the workers involved in mining it.

See the recorded activity of whipping the "African" workers by the Chinese colonial workers (From minute 04 : 43 until 05 : 13)

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There are multiple countries involved in this scheme, according to report from the Globe and Mail, as of 2019, China imported 83 percent of its cobalt from the Democratic Republic of Congo, and Chinese companies reportedly control most cobalt mining projects and output. Pakistanis and Indians are also involved in the trade.

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"That's why it is utilized in technology, It is utilized in innovation. They don't care if Children are slaves die. They're making money even though it not only violates our standards of ethics for responsible nations, it violates the very laws that we say, we believe in agent." - Dr. Rashad Richey (He brilliantly explain the inferiority of Western Civilization and the Faustian doctrine of white Europeans which sucked badly to the Chinese Marxist Communist people)

Source : https://atlantablackstar.com/2022/07/23/like-that-of-slavery-chinese-companies-allegedly-trafficking-40000-children-in-congo-forcing-them-to-work-in-hazardous-mines/

"...They are unremunerated and exploited and the work is often fatal as the children are required to crawl into small holes dug into the earth, Kyungu said.

Kyungu also said Chinese nationals physically oversee some of the mines, referencing a viral video showing a China national ordering mine workers be whipped. ..."


"Never forget that being neutral never means you're right. As a matter of fact being neutral means 100%, you are never on the right side." - Dr. Rashad Richey

Habib Rizieq also warn us about the danger of China Communist Colonialism. See this transcripted writings below from the video about his speeches

Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqK15eqUBoQ

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"In the middle of Africa there is a country called Angola, helped out by the People's Republic of China brothers... After being tied up with such huge debts, then China started to govern Angola, you know what happened this week? The Angolan Parliament put forward a law to be signed by the president stating that Islam should not exist in Angola. And all mosques must be closed. The reason is, because it is against and against Angolan customs brother...

Yes, today Islam is prohibited in Angola brother... How was the enormity of the influence of Communist China to "Africa" ​​brother... influenced in such a way...

Thirdly, there is another country in Africa called Zimbabwe brothers... Also given a huge debt by China brothers... After the debt swelled, Zimbabwe was unable to pay its debt brother... Then what did Communist China offer? Freed from debt, no need to pay debts, but at that time Zimbabwe had to leave its currency and spend everyday in the Chinese currency, namely the Yuan brother...

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Back to Indonesia, brothers and sisters... Currently we have borrowed thousands of trillions of debts from China, brothers... Currently we owe China thousands of trillions, of which our seven generations are not necessarily able to pay you brothers... Be careful with our thousands of trillions debt to China, at this time Communist China is starting to mess with our country, brothers and sisters... Let's see how they bring in workers, hundreds of thousands of people are entering Indonesia at this time. And last week, brothers and sisters, President Jokowi warned businessmen not to transact with dollars or rupiah, but with Yuan, the Chinese currency, brothers and sisters...

This is not a slander, this is the President's decision... Eeeh, it doesn't end there, brother, a month ago, the president also issued a Presidential Decree that foreigners, including Communist Chinese, are given property rights to own a house, and have a place to live, and have plantations in Indonesia. Indonesian brother...

I met an govenrment officials, they said, "Habib, it's good to cooperate with China, we'll build the railway, MRT, LRB. I said, "Sir, it's not building for free. We owe and we have to pay with interest. One... Second, the main contractor must be from China. Not the main contractors are the native people. Third, the raw materials must also be imported from China, including the reclamation of the piles, which we do not make ourselves, and must also be imported from your country of China. And it doesn't stop there, at least 30 percent of the workforce must also be from China, brother... So what do we get from these projects? Our money is lent by China, pays to Chinese contractors, pays to Chinese workers, pays to Chinese materials!!! All the money back to them brother... DON'T WANT TO BE LIED. DON'T WANT TO BE FOOLED. DON'T WANT TO BE ADDRESSED. We have to save this country" - Habib Mohammad Rizieq Shihab

Another explanation from the YouTube Chinese male commentator

Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT80GNAoWI8

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CHINA-AMERICA, fighting over this poor country from the beginning

"DR Congo a poor country fought over by China and America"

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Anti-Whiteness
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2022, 07:23:01 pm »
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the 'rules' which were leaked on social media have caused outrage - with many people slamming the restrictions as 'racist'

No. How many times do we have to explain this? Racism is ethnotribalism. POC contain multiple ethnicities including those ancestrally more distant from one another than they are ancestrally distant from "whites". Therefore it is logically impossible for POC to be an ethnotribe. Rather, POC are a folk. Indeed, only folkism can defeat racism:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/ethnotribalism-the-computer-simulation/msg9048/#msg9048

I'm already try to explained to someone who are declared him/herself as "communist" that racial diversity were existed and how the "White Europeans" were justified to be criticized. See this photographed private conversation...



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I'm explained to him that the people of race who have better performance to work to solve the material world's problem like "White Europeans" and the Chinese people for example, tend to resulting oppression to the rest of the world like industrial pollutions, colonialism, and democratization which forced by them. And he/she just answering with judging and then block my Discord account.

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Re: Re: True Left Breakthrough: Anti-Whiteness
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2022, 08:46:52 pm »
"and the Chinese people for example"

You should clarify that you are referring to Westernized "New Chinese" only. (Otherwise you are undermining POC folkism.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Culture_Movement

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The New Culture Movement (Chinese: 新文化運動; pinyin: Xīn Wnhu Yndng) was a movement in China in the 1910s and 1920s that criticized classical Chinese ideas and promoted a new Chinese culture based upon progressive, modern and western ideals like democracy and science.[1]
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A large number of Western doctrines became fashionable, particularly those that reinforced the cultural criticism and nation-building impulses of the movement. Social Darwinism, which had been influential since the late nineteenth century, was especially shaping for Lu Xun, among many others,[16] and was supplemented by almost every "ism" of the world. Cai Yuanpei, Li Shizeng, and Wu Zhihui developed a Chinese variety of anarchism. They argued that Chinese society had to undergo radical social change before political change would be meaningful. [17] The pragmatism of John Dewey became popular, often through the work of Hu Shih, Chiang Monlin, and Tao Xingzhi. Dewey arrived in China in 1919, and spent the following year lecturing. Bertrand Russell also lectured widely to warm crowds. Lu Xun was associated with the ideas of Nietzsche, which were also propagated by Li Shicen, Mao Dun, and many other intellectuals of the time.

These are the Eurocentrists to blame for such absurdities as:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-degendering/msg5246/#msg5246

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_pronoun

   
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n 1917, the Old Chinese graph tā (她, from nǚ 女, "woman") was borrowed into the written language to specifically represent "she" by Liu Bannong. As a result, the old character tā (他), which previously also meant "she" in written texts, is sometimes restricted to meaning "he" only. ... The creation of gendered pronouns in Chinese was part of the May Fourth Movement to modernize Chinese culture, and specifically an attempt to assert sameness between Chinese and the European languages, which generally have gendered pronouns.[80]

They are now already running out of steam, as Zea_mays and guest55 have extensively documented:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/msg7613/#msg7613

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/msg7671/#msg7671

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/msg9247/#msg9247

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/msg10810/#msg10810

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/msg13325/#msg13325

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/simple-living-movements/msg13708/#msg13708

Now is our chance! The best way to criticize Westernized "China" is to celebrate ancient China. You should be trying to help us do this, instead of trying to demoralize us. I have warned you about this before:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/chinese-question/msg13190/#msg13190

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Your approach will only end up pushing China closer to Russia, which is the opposite of what we are trying to do here.
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Re: Re: True Left Breakthrough: Anti-Whiteness
« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2022, 09:10:44 pm »
The Chinese people overseas are Westernized and doing cultural gentrification everywhere. I'm also already told you how they work with the colonizers during colonial era on Nusantara...

What the solution you propose to the so-called "Westernized Chinese" on Jakarta, Surabaya, and Eastern Kalimantan, and the opportunist expatriat "White Europeans" who like hiking and having a good day on City of Denpasar, Bali?

My solutions was restricting immigrations from the nations which it's people heavily indoctrinated by Western doctrine (West and "East Asians" (Chinese, Japanese, South Korea, and Singapore). Instead allow more freely immigrants from less-Westernized nations ("Africa", "Middle Eastern", and "Soviet former Central Asia" nations like Turkestan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kazhakstan, and others). Or send the stubborn Westernized people who like speaking "Jaksel" (English mix with Indonesian language) to reeducation place for punishment.

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Re: Re: True Left Breakthrough: Anti-Whiteness
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2022, 09:59:48 pm »
"The Chinese people overseas are Westernized and doing cultural gentrification everywhere."

Then call them "Westernized 'New Chinese'", instead of just "Chinese"! It's that simple!

"I'm also already told you how they work with the colonizers during colonial era on Nusantara..."

Similarly:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg15164/#msg15164

You are behaving like that idiot cop who thinks it is a good idea for China to be Japanophobic just because Japan at one point worked with the Western colonizers.

"What the solution you propose to the so-called "Westernized Chinese""

Ridicule their Westernization while simultaneously celebrating ancient China, and emphasizing the consistently friendly relations between China and Nusantara in ancient times:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/chinese-question/msg12515/#msg12515

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Indonesia_relations#History
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Re: Re: True Left Breakthrough: Anti-Whiteness
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2022, 10:30:18 pm »
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You are behaving like that idiot cop who thinks it is a good idea for China to be Japanophobic just because Japan at one point worked with the Western colonizers.

As long as China not promoting serious anti-Western politics like North Korea. Then I tend to find a partner to the muslims in "Middle East", the less-Westernized people on "Africa", and the "former Soviet territory Central Asia" nations. That's what I can do on recent today's world political conditions. But it goes without saying that I will doing a relationship with China, but only on cold way to do.

To educate the anti-Sinophobic view to my people need a process bit by bit. Because they feel oppressed by the overseas Chinese people who always be the colonizers's friend during colonial era. And during Suharto era, even they bankrupt our nations alongside with Western IMF organizations with pretending to don't have money, and ask the government to give them a money to fulfill their private banks's asset. And the result was national inflation and crises on 1998.

So, my alert atittude to the "Westernized" Chinese people and "Western Europeans", including "half-White Europeans" on my homeland not purely satirical and jokes.

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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2022, 01:33:51 am »
See this important information below about the truth on the Chinese's economic cooperation to the African people. Even the Western media admit that the Chinese not trapped the nation client with so-called "debt-trap", or economic oppression :

Source : The Myth of the Chinese Debt Trap in Africa - Bloomberg Quicktake: Originals (18 March 2022)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-QDEWwSkP0

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"...But while the U.S. has focused its Africa strategy on aid and social services, China as been building.

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African governments themselves said, "We are tired of aid and charity, we want to do trade, we want to be treated like partners." The Chinese came along and said, "Great." "We don't do aid and charity, we wanna do business with you." - Eric Olander, Editor in Chief, The China Africa Project 

(Minute 01 : 24 until 01 : 43)

Now the U.S. and Europe are answering back with their own infrastructure initiatives to counter China, but African experts are skeptical.

(Minute 01 : 49 until 01 : 56)

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The Chinese said, "Well, guess what? We are the best in the world now at producing large scale infrastructure, fast and cheap. And we have a surplu of capital, so we'll loan you the money, we have our great contracting companies. We have all of this skill and all this ability to deliver fast and cheap." And in that sense, it was really an ideal match. They recognize what Africa's development was. And they said, "You know what? 30 years ago, that was us. We recognize a lot of what's going on here. You don't have enough infrastructure, you have a large population that's growing quickly." Also let's not underestimate there is a shared history here of anti-colonial struggle. So you tick all of those different boxes, and Africa made a lot of sense for the Chinese to come in." - Eric Olander, Editor in Chief, The China Africa Project

(Minute 04 : 16 until 05 : 03)

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But there are noticeable differences between Chinese financing and how the West lends historically with low interest rates and flexible terms.

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If you're comparing commercial loans to something available from the World Bank or one of its different agencies, then you're not really comparing like for like ... 95%, if not 99%, the loan agreement are there in favor of the lenders, no matter who you deal with. This is because by the time you sign that loan agreement and you get the money, you'll have the money in your hands and the only thing the bank will have is a piece of paper. That is why the loan agreements are in their favor.

(Minute 05 : 34 until 07 : 05)


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Re: Chinese Question
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2022, 01:57:38 am »
Another truth about the Chinese economic cooperation to the nation client. See this information below :

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The Lowy Institute finds that, quote, "90% of China's bilateral loans have gone to countries that... could sustainably absorb such debt".

And finally, Deborah Brautigam of John Hopkins writes, quote, "so far, in Africa, we have not seen any examples where we would say the Chinese deliberately entangled another country in debt..."

(Minute 11 : 02 until 11 : 20)

Source :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gwgcIfzttA

The Truth About China in Africa - PolyMatter (24 December 2021)

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See this news information, compare the differences between westerners and China during doing economic cooperation :

Source : Critics say IMF loans often hurt developing, poor countries - TRT World Now (30 September 2022)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TczvNLAeEkQ

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"The IMF typically says exactly to agreed a program with Zambia, where IMF has suggested that Zambia removes fuel taxes, fuel subsidies, remove food subsidies as well which the IMF's says are untargeted.

The problem is that in a country like Zambia with a lot of poor people actually it's very difficult to target the poor. On the other hand with a country like the UK which has a lot more wealth, it is more possible to target the poor more easily. So in a sense the prescription that IMF is giving to the UK is almost, it would be better in another context. But I think the biggest issue here especially for developing countries, is that quite often what they want to do is to determine their own policies rather than have to take the prescription to the IMF. The UK will not have to necessarily do that. It may well be able to get itself out of this hole if it does change its policies and not have to go to the IMF whereas other countries are in a very different situation. - Hannah Ryder, CEO of Development Reimagined

(Minute 01 : 05 until 02 : 25)

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...now countries are only particularly dependent on China because others haven't necessarily been there, even what China has provided is really drop in the ocean in terms of what the needs are for actually kind of building more infrastructure and all this sort of thing, and we're seeing climate change which is even creating even more needs."

(Minute 03 : 28 until 03 : 46)

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« Reply #59 on: October 03, 2022, 12:00:57 am »
Chinese Autocratic Socialism against the European Democratic Colonialism. See this information below :

(Read only to the sentences which given bold if you not have a time to understand the content)

Source : China and Africa: The Real Story of Western Hypocrisy (2 December 2021)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4AlyyPplkY

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(Minutes 06: 37 to 08: 43)

I think we need to understand the history of how the West behaved in colonialism. How about various empires such as England, Holland, France, United States for some time with developing countries like the Philippines and Puerto Rico and others. How the relationship between them is made. That's a far different from what China is doing today.

In the years of classical colonial Western colonialism from the 1800s to the 1900s, countries that were included as part of the colonial empire were incorporated into large economic structures centered on the colonial state, for example England. England is the center of manufacturing industry. The center of modern manufacturing, industry and technology. And all the colonies are subordinate to it. So they become where raw materials are made which will be sent back to England, processed and developed there, turned into finished goods. Which were then sent out to the colonies where they received good trade agreements. And the colonies became a source of raw materials and became a channel for the manufacture of goods. It is something basic and really a schematic appearance to understand the relationship.

The difference is in how China pursues its development projects, they are also interested as you say, "This is not a charity program, this is not a global giving program, this is a program created to help China develop its domestic economy to improve the living standards of 1.4 billion people. And it's also done by fostering the local economic development of cooperating countries around the world" - Professor Ken Hammond, Professor of History at the University of New Mexico



I think the historical legacy of colonial colonialism is not just how it went. When the colonial empire existed until the liberation movement in the 1960s in liberating Africa from European colonization. And that legacy still endures. Britain, France and the United States continued to attack militarily in many countries on the "African" continent. Fighting in Nigeria, Mali, Chad, as well as the involvement of NATO and the United States in Libya is a grave violation of the national sovereignty of the countries of the "African" continent. So this legacy is still happening. And the idea or saying that the United States, Britain and other European countries accuse China is funny. Due to the fact that Western colonialism is still happening today. Arbitrary development by political units for example Kenya's state politics. You know, there was no country for British colonization, and the British got together with the previous communities and said, "You're going to be British East Africa". When they're independent, political arbitrariness continues to complicate Kenyan political life until now. So European colonialism. and its devastating consequences for African society and its economy continue to this day. The talk of changing and accusing China of neo-colonialism, becoming the new colonial occupier of Africa is absurd. That is an example of ridiculous claims made by rivals politics in Uganda. About the Chinese state seizing the airport, they have no real basis. And they use anything to make China look ugly. And it's worth remembering that the original news media reports outside Africa about this were made in connection with the Conservative Party BJP in India, there is a political agenda here that fulfills the interests of or Africans to vilify China. But the People's Republic of China has a long history of helping African countries starting in the 1970s when China was still struggling to build its early-stage economy, by sending its people to Africa. Ranging from engineers, volunteers, workers of all kinds of expertise to build large railroads in Tanzania, Zambia. Involved in various development projects. And their work has now been restored and expanded with China's Belt and Road initiative and other activities.

And you know that usually the Western media and mainstream media will catch any news that can be passively used to vilify China. While not seeing other stories about development, infrastructure, and educational opportunities. You know China doesn't just invest in railroads, roads and airports. They make sports stadiums, hospitals, infrastructure. The things that China is doing, when I show China as a great philanthropist and philanthropist, and the projects that China hopes to benefit them in the long term will become part of the trade network of exchanges, and the development of the world. And China is becoming the beneficiary, but more equally benefiting in the process. It's not just development focused on China.

(Minutes to 13: 15 to 17: 38)

Chinese National Socialism against Western European Liberalism