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Debate with the Liberals
« on: May 31, 2022, 12:58:59 am »
I say that the oppressors must be punished and removed from society in order to prevent the oppression from happening. But they say that removing and destroy the oppressors did not change anything. If we remove one oppressors, it will happen again from another oppressors and we will do the same thing again to them. What is the best answer for this statement?

And they say there is no such thing like "truth". So from that we cannot judge other people, because doing that will make us feel the most correct, and it's attitude is wrong according to them. Because we need to observe some people or organization both from analyzing and meet and talk to them directly to make a conclusion. And also this statement is also supported by psychological teachings. What is the best answer for this statement?

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2022, 02:43:00 am »
"I say that the oppressors must be punished and removed from society in order to prevent the oppression from happening."

I say that oppressors must be punished for oppression already committed in the past. If you take the position that punishment is only justified for preventing future oppression, that would imply that whatever method is most effective in preventing future oppression is what we should support, which leaves it open to liberals to offer other methods that they claim are more effective than punishment. On the other hand, if you take the position that punishment for past oppression is needed for its own sake, you force liberals who want to disagree to have to argue outright that punishment for past oppression is wrong, which exposes their lack of concern for retribution.

"If we remove one oppressors, it will happen again from another oppressors and we will do the same thing again to them. What is the best answer for this statement?"

This is why we need to eliminate their bloodlines, something I have repeated thousands of times by now.

"And they say there is no such thing like "truth". So from that we cannot judge other people, because doing that will make us feel the most correct, and it's attitude is wrong according to them. Because we need to observe some people or organization both from analyzing and meet and talk to them directly to make a conclusion. And also this statement is also supported by psychological teachings. What is the best answer for this statement?"

For them to be able to claim that the attitude of feeling correct is wrong, they themselves are already feeling themselves to be more correct than those who disagree. They are judging other people for judging other people, which means they themselves are already judging other people. Therefore they contradict themselves.

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2022, 06:50:44 pm »
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"I say that oppressors must be punished for oppression already committed in the past. ..."

The liberals always say that remembering the past and blaming other people as a "victim mentality", "child*sh", and "mentally unstable", even though they are who really guilty. Is the best arguments is to fight them, or give them one more arguments at least? And they also say that we must do instrospection on ourselves rather than focus on make the oppressors take responsibility for their cruelty or crime, because it's not productive according to them...


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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2022, 09:01:25 pm »
"The liberals always say that remembering the past and blaming other people as a "victim mentality", "child*sh", and "mentally unstable""

They are correct. However, a victim mentality is better than dismissing victimization, childishness is better than adulteration, and mental instability is better than a crushed spirit. Therefore we must always remember the past and those who have initiated violence in the past. NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.

"we must do instrospection on ourselves"

We are already vegans FFS.

"rather than focus on make the oppressors take responsibility for their cruelty or crime"

Why can't we do both?

"because it's not productive"

Modern productivity is far too high as it is. We should be trying to decrease productivity back to pre-colonial levels at the very least (and if possible back to Golden Age levels eventually). Spending more energy on retribution instead of productivity thus serves two positive goals at once.

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2022, 09:47:43 pm »
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"The liberals always say that remembering the past and blaming other people as a "victim mentality", "child*sh", and "mentally unstable""

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They are correct. However, a victim mentality is better than dismissing victimization, childishness is better than adulteration, and mental instability is better than a crushed spirit. Therefore we must always remember the past and those who have initiated violence in the past. NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.

Then, if their attitude are like that, how can they condemn colonialism and support nationalism? Seeing being anti-colonialist and nationalist is honoring the tragedy of the past. We should not trust the liberals, they are liars. They say that they are morally more good because of their tolerance, but they ruthlessly bully the so-called "victim-mentality" people...

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"rather than focus on make the oppressors take responsibility for their cruelty or crime"

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Why can't we do both?

The liberals have an absolute belief, that humans not always true, but they can be false, so instrospection is compulsory for them rather than correcting and judging others, they always say that thing all the time.


Then, from the short discussion above, United States will be better if they change their flag, way of life, and also their political ideology like what you wish. And liberals are not our friend, but the absolutist BLM, Antifa, and also NFAC. Both liberals and conservatives need to be led by them, if many of them disagree, then purge and "Kristallnacht" agenda is the solution. Why should we care to that two of degenerate political worldviews... Debating with the liberals for the sake of so-called "jump-ship" did not make any progress. They can evading discussion with say, "Everyone has a perspective, and their perspectives want to be heard, so don't be the righteous and judging others"

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2022, 09:55:34 pm »
"Debating with the liberals for the sake of so-called "jump-ship" did not make any progress."

It will when liberals figure out that liberalism is incapable of defeating rightism. Then, for the sake of preventing rightist victory, they will want to learn a form of leftism that is capable of defeating rightism. Our task for now is to make sure they know that this is precisely what we are ready to supply them with. This is why we should keep debating them.

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2022, 05:47:15 am »
The liberals say that most of progressive liberal nations people live in longer age and happiness. So they not feel that the revolution is needed to change to something better society. And so-called "developed nations" liberals also want their nation to imitate them. And their strong arguments when they got debated is the real example of progressive nations. And it become of their main arguments to debunk that Islamic and socialist system are obsolete, backward, and failed. What do you think about that?

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2022, 08:29:34 pm »
"The liberals say that most of progressive liberal nations people live in longer age and happiness."

This is a sign of their inferiority. Superior people cannot be happy knowing stuff like this goes on every day:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/

Therefore we can conclude that liberalism desensitizes people to evil. Vampires are immortal by drinking blood. Progressivism is vampirism:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/msg10963/#msg10963

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg10326/#msg10326

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg10474/#msg10474

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9632/#msg9632

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/msg1134/#msg1134

"Islamic and socialist system are obsolete, backward, and failed."

Vampires will think of mortals as obsolete, backward and failed. Does that mean mortals should want to become vampires? No, it means we should want to become vampire slayers!


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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2022, 08:56:24 pm »
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Then, we cannot see the liberals as a leftist even though they consider themselves as a "leftist". Their behaviour themselves are moderate, or still tolerate anything that threaten leftist ideology like capitalism, exclusivism, and moral neutrality. I don't know why the liberals consider themselves as a moral people.

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2022, 09:18:33 pm »
That is why we call them False Leftist.

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2022, 06:22:24 am »
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Now, the difficult arguments from the liberals :

For what we have a nation, if it only make our life is boring, short, full of censorship, rules and mass execution. That is a failed nation. Look at the Scandinavian nations and United States, the nation which their people are the most happy and life in advanced technology. The nation with many restrictions will resulting many riots and demonstrations.

What the best answer for this? My answer is because our nation is made to destroy the oppressors, not make people happy. But I don't think that my argument are strong enough

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2022, 01:10:39 pm »
I think "happiness indexes" are ridiculous to begin with, but my question is how can the U.S. be moving up in the happiness chart in the last year considering everything that is plaguing that nation? This does not make sense to me? A 'red coup' and a 'collapsing empire' makes people happier? A government that completely fumbled it's Covid-19 response makes people happier? How is this possible?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/19/world-happiness-ranking-2022-where-the-united-states-ranks-now.html

Westerners are lunatics, that is the only way to explain these charts in my mind...


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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2022, 08:04:19 pm »
"Look at the Scandinavian nations and United States, the nation which their people are the most happy and life in advanced technology."

Therefore they should emigrate to Scandinavian countries or the US.

"The nation with many restrictions will resulting many riots and demonstrations."

Instead of rioting/demonstrating, those who dislike the restrictions should emigrate.

"What the best answer for this?"

Tell them to emigrate.

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2022, 08:42:23 pm »
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Instead of rioting/demonstrating, those who dislike the restrictions should emigrate.

We will told to emigrate by the rightist if we don't like today nation's situation, which already favour rightism. So, make a political battle, or emigrate?

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Re: Debate with the Liberals
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2022, 09:15:28 pm »
What do you mean by rightism? Liberals are False Leftists, so are you talking about a different group now?