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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2021, 11:33:56 pm »
"you wouldn't accept losing your innocence."

Back when I knew very little about this world, I innocently assumed it was as I expected it to be. As I learned more about this world, I discovered that it was nothing like what I expected it to be. This discovery is the loss of innocence. How do I "not accept" losing my innocence? By convincing myself that the discovery is fake?

For example, before the age of 3, I innocently assumed that all meat came from animals who had died of old age. At age 3, I learned where meat actually came from. I lost my innocence about meat. How would I "not accept" this, according to you? Should I keep pretending that meat comes from animals who had died of old age (and therefore keep eating it)?

"Original Nobility is throwing tantrums."
"his idea of justice is merely revenge; outrage."

Yes?

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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2021, 12:30:39 am »
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Yes, animals do practice revenge. Chimps do it, for example. Macaques do it, too, although not directly: if they cannot attack the offender because he is much stronger, they would hurt someone weaker instead, sometimes the attackerís relative.

Also, there are many documented cases of wounded animals chasing or ambushing their hunters in situations when it would be obviously more reasonable for those animals to run away or hide. Why they do it is unclear. In humans, revenge is usually an irrational manifestation of our innate desire for justice, which is also observed in many other primates and has evolved to enable social cooperation. We always want to reward altruistic behavior in others and punish them for excessive selfishness.

Some of animals known for revenge attacks on hunters are also highly social (elephants, for example), but others are not (bears, tigers etc.), so I donít have a good explanation for their behavior.
https://gizmodo.com/do-animals-practice-revenge-1843750410


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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2021, 05:53:10 am »
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As I learned more about this world, I discovered that it was nothing like what I expected it to be. This discovery is the loss of innocence. How do I "not accept" losing my innocence? By convincing myself that the discovery is fake?

An unjust world isn't morally or even logically coherent; it's incompatible with truth. Self-deception would be believing evil to be ultimately true, valid, or acceptable. If you believe this lie, you will remain ever-infatuated with evil and never actually defeat it. You don't need to deny your discovery the world wasn't "how you expected", but you do need to reject the spiritual implication that this somehow defiles your innocence.

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"Original Nobility is throwing tantrums."
"his idea of justice is merely revenge; outrage."

Yes?

Childish tantrums (sincere moral outrage) as opposed to hubristic outrage. The former arises from a candid inability to accept the proposed conditions of reality; whereas you're willing to accept them, you just seek catharsis and affected superiority.

Barking at your slavemaster and making his life a living hell doesn't actually change anything. Sharpen your blade and kill the fucker.

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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2021, 07:13:20 am »
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In humans, revenge is usually an irrational manifestation of our innate desire for justice

Since you define "justice" as "revenge", all you're saying is "revenge is usually an irrational manifestation of our innate desire for revenge"

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We always want to reward altruistic behavior in others and punish them for excessive selfishness.

Humans reward altruistic behaviours because it benefits them, which in turn promotes self-serving generosity instead of altruism. Altruism doesn't need to be rewarded; only enabled.

Humans punish selfish behaviour when it threatens their own selfish interests (this is probably what the site defines as "excessive" selfishness), which in turn promotes feigned altruism. Punishment is also something adults do to children out of hubris. Punishment is violent, and violence is inherently selfish because your victim's feelings are glossed over.

So, our instinct to reward and punish others is noble how?

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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2021, 12:11:03 pm »
Where did I say Justice is revenge? Now you are just trying to juggle words and put words in my mouth.

Justice: Just behavior or treatment. Fairness.
Revenge: the action of inflicting hurt or harm on someone for an injury or wrong suffered at their hands. Retaliation.

Justice comes out of revenge, they are not the same, because you can have justice without revenge in some situations. For example, treating people as individuals until they prove otherwise is also justice! Something many humans seem incapable of, including you. You cannot feel revenge but you can feel justice. Justice is what happens once revenge has occurred.

Rewarding altruistic behavior in OTHERS does not always benefit the 'human' (your word choice) rewarding others, even though the definition I gave you was about non-humans seeking revenge.

I cannot communicate with you anymore. You do exactly what Jews and "white nationalists" do in-order to maintain their own delusions.

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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2021, 01:11:34 pm »
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Where did I say Justice is revenge? Now you are just trying to juggle words and put words in my mouth.

Sorry, I've been presuming you have the same view as 90sRF. It's hard to deal with 2 people at once. If he doesn't believe this I apologize to him too, that's just the impression I got.

How do you get justice from revenge? In other words, how do 2 wrongs make a right?

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For example, treating people as individuals until they prove otherwise is also justice! Something many humans seem incapable of, including you.

What do you mean by that? The cat thing? It was a generalization. I already said I treat people, including cats, as individuals. Of course I don't believe all cats will torture small animals. If you're going to be pedantic and take things out of context I can stoop to that level too and pick at similar things you and 90sRF have said.

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Rewarding altruistic behavior in OTHERS does not always benefit the 'human' (your word choice) rewarding others, even though the definition I gave you was about non-humans seeking revenge.

The quote included humans, so I decided to focus on them since I'm well-acquainted with them. And I regard human identity the same way as white or Jewish identity.
Non-humans may not be seeking what we misconstrue as "revenge", but intervention or prevention.

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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2023, 08:26:36 am »
Incel article on neoteny, uses term interchangeably with paedomorphy.

https://incels.wiki/w/Neoteny

It does identify women as mrke neoteniud on average though

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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2023, 08:48:30 pm »
There is a stereotype (promulgated by men who have had sex with many women) that paedomorphic women have especially strong sex drives. This could be the origin of the term "nymphomaniac". Certainly many of the women we have collected here:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-infidelity/

are strikingly paedomorphic:

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etc.

Filmmakers also seem to often cast this look for this type of character:

http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2016/10-best-movies-about-nymphomaniacs/

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Sue Lyon



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Diane Keaton



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Isabelle Huppert



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Christina Ricci



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Deborah Revy



That anyone can confuse the above with neoteny is evidence of present-day degeneration in perceptiveness.

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Re: Neoteny vs Pedomorphy
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2023, 08:14:29 pm »
You are correct about pedomorphy being associated with high sex drives. Here is pedomorph Ben Shapiro's face morphed into a woman:
 

He looks like the archetypal "sexy" (vomit) women that rightist men fawn over.