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Re: Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2022, 01:43:47 am »
"or I will got laugh by entire Discord server's members because I support "child marriage" and considered by them as "pedophilia supporters""

Then you are a coward. How can you call yourself a Mohammedan if you will back down from defending Mohammed just to avoid being laughed at by those attacking him?

If you won't defend Mohammed, I will:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/inspired-by-muhammad/msg4642/#msg4642

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/reclaiming-what-is-ours/comment-page-2/#comment-169599

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/reclaiming-what-is-ours/comment-page-3/#comment-169755
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Re: Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2022, 02:04:16 am »
@90sRetroFan

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Then you are a coward. How can you call yourself a Mohammedan if you will back down from defending Mohammed just to avoid being laughed at by those attacking him?

I'm alone by the way... So, it's not wise to show the total power alone to the bunch of Westerners

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Re: Re: Western Democracy
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2022, 02:30:19 am »
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If you won't defend Mohammed, I will:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/inspired-by-muhammad/msg4642/#msg4642

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/reclaiming-what-is-ours/comment-page-2/#comment-169599

http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/reclaiming-what-is-ours/comment-page-3/#comment-169755

How can we got agreed by the European leftist if they keep laughing at us because we defend that child-integration thing? The most of modern leftist despise Islam because of that thing which being crucial reason why they despise Islam. And we still need them to defeat the entire rightist

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Re: Debate with the Progressives
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2022, 03:33:12 am »
You have to attack them as active oppressors of children. I already demonstrated how to do this. They are adult supremacists, so that is what we need to call them. If you post any other adult supremacist arguments that you have come across and that I have not already countered in the links provided, I will be happy to counter them below.


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Re: Western civilization is a health hazard
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2022, 05:23:07 am »
The westerners use the life expectancy as their argument to defend the Western Civilization. Which according to them is not health hazard. And they defend the Western Civilization because it make the "Africans" not to experience starvation during colonial era. So they say that Western Civilization increase the health of the "non-Westerners", not health hazard according to them.

How can we answer this? My answer currently is, the Western Civilization resulting pollution globally and unhealthy junk foods.

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Re: Re: Western civilization is a health hazard
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2022, 05:45:11 pm »
""Africans" not to experience starvation during colonial era."

They did not typically experience starvation in pre-colonial times! The correct comparison is between pre-colonial and colonial, not between colonial and post-colonial. Western colonial powers often set up problems that will emerge over time in colonies that they are about to withdraw from. Therefore comparing between colonial and post-colonial is unfair.

Current starvation in former Western colonies is the fault of the Western colonial powers for making the former colonies dependent on imports during the colonial era. Did you not read this post?

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/east-timor/msg13492/#msg13492

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In Portuguese Africa (e.g. Mozambique), the Native Labour Regulations of 1899 stated that all able bodied men must work for six months of every year, and that "They have full liberty to choose the means through which to comply with this regulation, but if they do not comply in some way, the public authorities will force them to comply." [16]

Africans engaged in subsistence agriculture on their own small plots were considered unemployed.

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Human Lives and Empathy
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2022, 02:07:22 am »
Today's view say that anything which improve human comfort  considered as empathy, whereas anything which reduce human's comfort and happiness considered as "barbaric", "evil", and "unempathic". What about that? This is the most difficult argument which we engaged

My only answer is that anything which keep people's alive longer and want to live longer are bad. Because they will experienced suffering, boring, and exhaust everyday of their life while they receive "happiness". If not every day, every month or year, or maybe more than forty years.

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Re: Human Lives and Empathy
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2022, 03:25:43 am »
"Today's view say that anything which improve human comfort  considered as empathy"

The correct term for what you are describing is indulgence.

"whereas anything which reduce human's comfort and happiness considered as "barbaric", "evil", and "unempathic".

The correct term here is anti-indulgent. It is indulgence which is barbaric. Austerity and asceticism been associated with personal cultivation and refinement since ancient times.

Anti-indulgence is the truly empathic attitude, as we should feel guilty to indulge when we remember the cruel victimization that occurred in the past in order to make indulgence possible in the present. For example, knowing a comfort-enhancing product was developed via experimentation on animals (who did not consent to being experimented upon), we would not want to use that product even though all the experimentation is now over. Similarly, what about all the children violently forced into Western compulsory schooling for the last few centuries just so that a small fraction of the adults they eventually grew up to be applied their knowledge (founded on the same compulsory schooling) to invent comfort-enhancing machines? How can we want to indulge in modernity when we remember this? And so on.

From the perspective of empathy, anti-indulgence is solidarity with the victims of violence from the past.

(In contrast, barbarians often do not even remember the victims of their own initiated violence, let alone victims of violence initiated by others from long ago.)
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Re: Debate with the Progressives
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2022, 06:36:03 pm »
I'm already talk to my fellow people online, that progressivism and industrialism resulting pollution and harming both environment and community of people outside of us who are being target of natural exploitation. But they call me as "monkey" and promoting "theory of fart".

My only answer that the progressivism and industrialism only harm them with the overtime on learning to be competent on it. And if they succeed they will be an oppressor to another communities of people to got the resources from them, for the sake keep their industrial living alive. And it was not monkey who are colonized us but the people who humiliate monkey. Have you got an another answer?


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Re: Debate with the Progressives
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2022, 08:11:02 pm »
Can you post screencaps of your recent online debates? It will be easier to comment if I see what they are saying in full.

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Re: Debate with the Progressives
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2022, 09:35:04 pm »
I'm talking through voice call unfortunately

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Re: Debate with the Progressives
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2023, 06:33:29 pm »
@antihellenistic What's your Discord name/number?
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