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Inbreeding
« on: February 04, 2021, 02:25:28 am »
What is your opinion on "inbreeding" (i.e. cousin marriage)?  On the one hand, it can be seen as an attempt to preserve Jewish nepotism, but on the other hand, it could be seen as a last-ditch attempt by Aryans to prevent their blood from further corruption. Thoughts?

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Re: Inbreeding
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2021, 04:58:16 am »
"it could be seen as a last-ditch attempt by Aryans to prevent their blood from further corruption"

Given that present day Aryan individuals frequently are the only one in their entire known family, I don't see how reproducing with cousins helps us. Aryan blood is so mixed that for it to create just one of us in the same lineage every several generations is rare enough, let alone two of us in the same generation.

Hypothetically, if the only other Aryan individual you know happens to be your cousin, then of course it is better to reproduce (if at all) with your cousin rather than with someone inferior. But in such a situation you are not reproducing with your cousin because that person is your cousin, but because that person is a high quality individual. But (and this is the real point) even then do not necessarily expect Aryan offspring! Both you and your cousin will be carrying non-Aryan blood which could well end up being the predominant blood inherited by your hypothetical offspring.

Nothing but total state control over reproduction (under highly competent supervision) is going to sort it out properly, and even then it will take many generations.
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Re: Inbreeding
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2021, 07:43:54 pm »
"Given that present day Aryan individuals frequently are the only one in their entire known family"

I was referring to situations where one would be more likely to find Aryan blood in their extended family, for example if one belonged to a vegetarian clan, one could expect to find Aryan blood as the descendants would at the very least be adhering to a noble lifestyle.

However, even here the inferior descendants would be able to mask their ignobility as it is possible they are merely adopting vegetarianism out of social pressure. In this case, it is better for such individuals to not reproduce. One of my cousins, for example, despite belonging to the same vegetarian clan as myself, regularly consumes meat and has even taken up hunting! However, it is only because he is unmarried that he pursues these activities openly, whereas if he were married, his ignoble blood would stealthily be passed on as he could pretend to be noble merely for social purposes.

Hence, with the removal of the social pressure to reproduce in order to "save the clan", my ignoble cousin has effectively been weeded out from the gene pool.

"Hypothetically, if the only other Aryan individual you know happens to be your cousin, then of course it is better to reproduce (if at all) with your cousin rather than with someone inferior. "

Ok, but what about the possibility of genetic defects? Do you agree with the Western medical analysis that reproducing with a cousin is more likely to cause genetic defects in the offspring?
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Re: Inbreeding
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2021, 09:28:36 pm »
@rp

I think the scenario you posted could be viable if there were absolutely no other alternatives in a rapidly coarsening population, but direct consanguinity should be avoided in case the western theories hold any truth (and out of compassion for the children who might end up physically deformed like some of these "royal inbreeding" pictures, etc.)

What western science suggests is that inbreeding might lead to identical chromosomes, which increase the manifestation of the bloodline's most destructive hereditary diseases (possibly earlier in the life cycle and in a stronger amplitude). In a Darwinian perspective, this scenario is undesirable in the short term but it could also purge the unfit genes through "purifying selection" and lead to increased lifespan for the surviving individuals and generations to come.

Jews have been inbreeding for a while (I recall that nearly half of the Ashkenazi population have had their lineage traced back to 4 matrilineal bloodlines) but they (mostly the Ashkenazim) seem to live longer than average according to statistics. Western science attributes this to mutations which inhibit growth hormone secretion and a very active social life (especially in orthodox communities), but I suspect that inbreeding might also have contributed in lengthening their lifespan (Ashkenazi Jews are genetically predisposed to many diseases but quite a few of them are beneficial for the tribe, as they might increase IQ and contribute to DNA auto-repairing, GH deficiency, etc.)

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Re: Reproductive decolonization
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2022, 10:28:14 pm »
To be fair, Thomas has not reproduced with Lamp. But I agree Thomas is clearly a Eurocentrist based on his other behaviour. Perhaps his intention was to reproduce with Lamp but he merely did not succeed.

Wait, so does this mean Aryanists would be approving of non-reproductive relationships with non-Aryans?  (**cough **cough JAM ***cough (allegedly)).

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Re: Inbreeding
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2022, 11:18:21 pm »
"does this mean Aryanists would be approving of non-reproductive relationships with non-Aryans?"

If I had a non-reproductive but exclusive relationship with someone of reproductive age whom I believe should be prohibited from reproducing, I would at least be preventing them from reproducing with someone else during this time and could hopefully run out the clock on their reproductive potential. So purely in theory, I would be assisting the cause by doing so. With that said, the impact on demographics would be negligible in practice, therefore I would definitely not recommend it as a strategy. As a romantic, this would also be something I could not bring myself to do personally.

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Re: Inbreeding
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2023, 10:46:22 pm »
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I think the scenario you posted could be viable if there were absolutely no other alternatives in a rapidly coarsening population, but direct consanguinity should be avoided in case the western theories hold any truth (and out of compassion for the children who might end up physically deformed like some of these "royal inbreeding" pictures, etc.)

What western science suggests is that inbreeding might lead to identical chromosomes, which increase the manifestation of the bloodline's most destructive hereditary diseases (possibly earlier in the life cycle and in a stronger amplitude). In a Darwinian perspective, this scenario is undesirable in the short term but it could also purge the unfit genes through "purifying selection" and lead to increased lifespan for the surviving individuals and generations to come.

Jews have been inbreeding for a while (I recall that nearly half of the Ashkenazi population have had their lineage traced back to 4 matrilineal bloodlines) but they (mostly the Ashkenazim) seem to live longer than average according to statistics. Western science attributes this to mutations which inhibit growth hormone secretion and a very active social life (especially in orthodox communities), but I suspect that inbreeding might also have contributed in lengthening their lifespan (Ashkenazi Jews are genetically predisposed to many diseases but quite a few of them are beneficial for the tribe, as they might increase IQ and contribute to DNA auto-repairing, GH deficiency, etc.)

Yeah it seems even pre-modern cultures understood the problems of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity#Religious_and_traditional_law

So, I would not recommend it.