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Re: Is Putin's Russia Duginist autocracy?
« on: August 28, 2021, 09:55:52 pm »
"Controlling any election commission means controlling voting results."

Yes, but having elections at all reinforces the democratic premise that leaders must be elected in order to be legitimate. This point has already been explained exhaustively:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/western-democracy/msg2807/#msg2807

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Now that mainstream leftists are finally able to accuse Trump of a coup, False Leftists are once again completely screwing up their framing of the scenario. They accuse Trump of being anti-democracy while portraying Trump critics as pro-democracy, as if only pro-democracy people could oppose Trump.

Firstly, is Trump anti-democracy? No. Trump (who loves being popular) would surely prefer to have won the election cleanly than have to resort to trying to invalidate the election results. It is only because the results did not go Trump's way that he is falling back on invalidating the election results in an attempt to retain power. And even then Trump is claiming to be the winner of the election, in other words he is still reinforcing the notion that winning the election is what should determine leadership; he is merely lying about who won. In other words, Trump is fundamentally pro-democracy, but just in a dishonest way. (In contrast, an actual anti-democrat would argue that it is wrong for popularity to determine leadership.)

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/red-coup/msg3147/#msg3147

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If we have three countries A, B and C whose people have the characteristics:

A: agree to not have elections
B: agree to have elections and then respect the election results
C: agree to have elections but then do not respect the election results

it is perfectly possible to consider B (which displays commitment to keeping contract) superior to C (which fails to keep contract) without considering B superior to A (which does not fail to keep contract, but merely has better contractual content). So here is how the split works:

False Left worldview: B > C > A
True Left worldview: A > B > C