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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2026, 09:45:10 pm »
https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/abortion-kindness/msg31946/#msg31946

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None of which I would do (or have ever done in the past).

I'm interested in preventing greater violence (which IS the path of least suffering, ultimately).

If you would not commit the violence of e.g. swiping a button battery out of a baby's mouth in order to prevent them dying an excruciating death, then you very clearly are not.

You are willing to leave them to a horrific fate just to keep your own hands clean.

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Where do I support this? Please post an exact quote.

"Wait for their instruction."
This requires life preservation, which requires "repeated acts of violence". Your support is implicit, albeit temporal.

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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2026, 05:10:31 pm »
"If you would not commit the violence of e.g. swiping a button battery out of a baby's mouth in order to prevent them dying an excruciating death, then you very clearly are not.
You are willing to leave them to a horrific fate just to keep your own hands clean."

Or I could check the vicinity for dangerous objects and put them elsewhere before the baby arrives. Moron.

""Wait for their instruction."
This requires life preservation, which requires "repeated acts of violence"."

How?

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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2026, 09:53:43 pm »
Or I could check the vicinity for dangerous objects and put them elsewhere before the baby arrives. Moron.

What if you missed something? What if someone drops something? What if you're out and about?

You're living in fairytale land.

And you're ignoring the other examples I mentioned. I could easily list a hundred more examples of violence often necessary for "childcare". Not to mention all the animals killed to procure their food and clothes (even if they're plant-based).

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How?

I've just explained how, "illiterate".
Birth is violent
"Childcare" is violent
Even just having to wake up is violent (note how often they cry upon waking)

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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2026, 10:57:49 pm »
"What if you missed something? What if someone drops something? What if you're out and about?"

You are arguing that it is better to initiate violence (abortion) than to not initiate violence if following the latter there is a possibility - not even a certainty! - of greater physical pain (death by swallowing battery). Thank you for implicitly answering my earlier question: your priority is minimizing physical pain, not minimizing initiated violence.

Applying the same argument, I suppose you would similarly turn on a painless poison gas to kill an already-born baby without their consent before they have time to perhaps swallow a battery.

"And you're ignoring the other examples I mentioned."

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/abortion-kindness/msg31991/#msg31991

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None of which I would do (or have ever done in the past).

"Not to mention all the animals killed to procure their food and clothes (even if they're plant-based)."

Hence my opposition to conception (for both humans and non-humans). I do not deny that harvesting crops statistically leads to some accidental animal deaths, and hence I agree that we should aim to reduce the supply of crops needed by reducing the demand for crops. But are you arguing that it is better to deliberately kill X individuals without their permission than for Y(>X) individuals to risk accidental death?

"Birth is violent"

Say this to pronatalists, not to me (an antinatalist FFS!).

""Childcare" is violent"

Depends on the carer.

"Even just having to wake up is violent (note how often they cry upon waking)"

Whom you are blaming for this? Noisy people nearby? Or anyone who doesn't kill every sleeping baby they encounter?
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