True Left

You would rather rely on “demographic blue shift” to save us than actually put in the groundwork.

At least it already happening and still ongoing, they will be useful for overthrowing current political stagnation in the West and defeat the "whites". We got help enough from them, so, even though we not yet create political power, they all significantly help us

So "Follower of Arya" what are YOU going to do about it? Everyone who has come here to complain haven't explained their solutions, just attack. If you aren't subverters why don't you help the people you supposedly agree with instead of insulting and appealing to virtueism?

>"White" identity was created in the U.S. by Western colonialists, it was not invented by True Leftists to describe anyone

Strawman. I never claimed TL created those slave identities, I am saying that using them is only reinforcing the.

>We are making the people you mentioned aware that the option you specified exists

Obscure forum post one says "white bad", obscure forum post two says "but anyone who thinks a word used as a passive descriptor is also somehow thinking that they want slavery back". You obviously have not read this my and 90sRF's debate.

"He is notorious for being a cúnt to people, he needs to be made fun of."

He has not provided any "facts", only argumentative fallacies.

>No True Leftist has ever advocated for sterilizing anyone,

I am convinced that the person call me "illiterate" has not read the debate at all.

>"Whites" invented "white" identity for themselves, and then forced "black" identity on their once fellow African countrymen

I don't care, "blacks" still cling to it more than "whites" cling to "whiteness." Tribalism is tribalism, now answer the question.

"Whites" do not have nearly the same racial and spiritual homogeneity that Jews do. Why not apply this to "black" people too? Don't get me wrong, just saying that "whiteppl suck" isn't enough. Autarkic living, and a complete moral paradigm shift needs to follow. But this applies to everyone else as well, not just "whites".

>Your last ditch attempt to save a perceived "dying community" on the internet should have been to create a better community and then come here, tell us about it, and just drop a link.

...That's what I did. You think your Leftist schizo forum is Ascesis' source of recruitment?

>"Whites" created and control Western civilization, the civilization which was responsible for western colonialism. "Whiteness" must die long before non-"whites" should worry about what they need change about themselves

Who would you rather die, an average "white" guy or a "black" Zionist politician?

"You think your Leftist schizo forum is Ascesis' source of recruitment?"

Then where are you recruiting from? "Third Positionist" enemies no doubt.

@Ascesis “…yes it is.”

I don’t even think that you actually believe this. There’s a difference between “white” tribalists being intentionally inflammatory and saying slogans like “White is beautiful” or “White pride!”, and “black” Americans trying to rediscover their self-confidence. There are no swaths of black-empowered movements proclaiming “black” people to be superior to every other group on the planet, and that they should inherit the earth to steer in their preferred direction because of their clear superiority. The last time that forming a state dedicated to black people was a serious idea within the mainstream, was way back in the times of Malcolm X. And even then, the purpose of the proposed state was more to be free from racism and perceived oppression, than to keep their superior genes pure. And if we’re speaking historically, there were never any “black” supremacist examples of colonialism either. The entire past few centuries was all “white” people. Are there “black” people that lash out at other groups occasionally or even commit racially charged crimes? Sure, I never claimed that any one group was unilaterally perfect and composed only of morally upstanding citizens. But it’s just not the same effect

And speaking of self-confidence, Eurocentrism isn’t just a problem among “black” Americans. We all know about women from India that obsess over getting with “white” men. Or men from India obsessing over “white” women and even following them around when they walk around the country as a tourist. Or Hispanic parents telling their children that they should marry a “white” person. Or southeast “Asian” women willingly getting with “white” sexpats. Again, “Black is beautiful” has completely different connotations than “White is beautiful”. “White” people aren’t trying to regain confidence, because they don’t need it

Also, anybody complaining about not being able to wear a “White is beautiful” shirt, should spend more time fighting against “white” racism and the past that caused that kind of statement to have that stigma in the first place. If none of the past few centuries ever happened, nobody would care at all about their “White is beautiful” shirt. They could parade around with clothing aggrandizing their pointless identity all they want. But they won’t. They’ll just continue to lash out at leftists with actual grievances, and we all know why

@Follower of Arya  Then go. Do anything at all. Nobody here is going to stop you. Are you aware of how many times people have come on here to ramble about how useless 90sRetroFan supposedly is, and then when they go to put their plan into motion, we never hear from them again at some point? Clearly 90sRetroFan isn’t as easy to outclass as some people say. I WANT people out there doing stuff in real life. But I don’t trust the kinds of people who come on here with grand plans at all. Nothing ever comes of it. You aren’t the first to come on here complaining about this circle, and you won’t be the last I’m sure. For all I know, it’ll be my turn to make an attempt at real life action sometime soon when I have a car, and I myself will suffer the same exact fate

I’m not gonna participate in this debate anymore, if I can help it. I think that it’s completely run its  course. And if you guys value productivity, then I suggest you do the same

"my point is that most people who currently call themselves "white" do so apolitically, and would be happy to not do so if made aware that the option existed."

But would they be happy to voluntarily refrain from reproducing? If not, it doesn't matter what they call themselves.

""Whites" do not have nearly the same racial and spiritual homogeneity that Jews do. Why not apply this to "black" people too?"

"Whites" invented "whiteness". Jews invented Jewishness. "Blacks" did not invent "blackness". Find the odd one out.

"Well his highly-documentated inability to acknowledge that anti-tech "whites" exist, and pro-tech "non-whites" exist, and that the problem is with technocrats, not a broad ethnic group"

You are still illiterate:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/t1853/msg19287/#msg19287

"there are plenty of anti-tech "whites", and pro-tech "non-whites"."

There are plenty of "whites" who will oppose something "whites" created after it has been created.

There are plenty of "non-whites" who will support something "whites" created after it has been created.

Neither of these changes the fact of who (answer in bold) is consistently causing new problems that would never have existed if their gene pool did not exist. Indeed, the very "whites" who oppose a current problem created by other "whites" might be the same ones to create the next problem (perhaps even as a way to 'solve' the current problem)!

Not all the problems are even machine-related. Democracy, for example, has nothing to do with machines. Yet are we supposed to believe it is pure coincidence that the same gene pool to blame for industrializing the world is the same gene pool also to blame for democratizing the world, a world which in the absence of this gene pool would never have done either? Is this not a sign that it is a mistake to limit acceptable political discourse to opposing merely the content of what is innovated on each specific occasion, instead of trying to turn off the fundamental innovative force beneath it all?

"every retail worker apolitically calling themselves "white" needs to be sterilized"

Not if they voluntarily refrain from reproducing.

"after winning the debate"

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/N3FS9nT7_C8/maxresdefault.jpg

"No one questions the "black" guy wearing the "black and beautiful""

Because "blacks" didn't invent "blackness".

"but switch both with "white" and everyone will lose their minds."

Because "whites" invented "whiteness".

"You think "blacks" have never had trouble with Koreans & Latinos? lol"

Which is not what we support. The following is what we support:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg69/#msg69

“Let’s not forget that state violence in the United States has affected Asian Americans too,” Iyer said.

She pointed out that in 2006, a Minneapolis police officer Jason Andersen shot and killed a 19-year-old Hmong American Fong Lee who had been riding a bike with friends. An all-white jury ruled that Andersen, who claimed he saw Lee with a gun, did not use excessive force on the teen and exonerated him. A 57-year-old Indian grandfather, Sureshbhai Patel, was slammed to the ground and left partially paralyzed by Alabama officer Eric Parker during a visit to his son’s family.

“While incidences of police brutality against Asian Americans do not occur with the frequency they do against black people, we cannot deny that police brutality and discriminatory policing targets black and brown bodies at disproportionate and alarming rates,” Iyer said.

In addition to providing some historical perspective, Wu said Asian Americans can remind their own communities that many privileges they take part in came as a result of black movements.
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There has been marked support from many Asian Americans for the black community during this time, many of the experts noted, particularly after tragedies such as Floyd’s death. Iyer noted that organizations, students and activists have created toolkits, campaigns and town halls to further solidarity practices between black and Asian communities. She also mentioned she’s seen examples of youth engaging in conversations between Asian small-business owners who operate convenience stores in black neighborhoods and black residents.

“Just like our oppressions, our struggles are also linked. The anti-racist struggle in the United States is the same as that of Mexico and other parts of the world, the struggle of indigenous peoples is the same as that of blacks,” Bailey added.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg70/#msg70

Vilson said it is important to remember "how interconnected so many of our struggles are."

"The focus on anti-blackness does not mean that we don't care about kids in cages. Similarly, we understand that slavery also manifested in so many Asian Americans who had to build railroads in this country. We understand that the prison system was exponentially built on the backs of black people through the 13th Amendment," he added. "The more we can hone in on some of the worst offenses, we can find ways to alleviate all kinds of different aggressions and oppressions."

“It doesn’t matter if you are Middle Eastern, South Asian, or black, if you are not white, you suffer from the impact of white supremacy—which has grown even more acute in the time of Trump.”

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg71/#msg71

Among those who empathized most with Southeast Asian refugees was the gay black civil rights leader, Bayard Rustin. In an ad headlined "Black Leaders urge admission of the Indochinese refugees,” paid for by the International Rescue Committee and published in The New York Times in 1978, 80 black leaders concluded, “If our government lacks compassion for these dispossessed human beings, it is difficult to believe that the same government can have much compassion for America’s black minority, or America’s poor.”
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"They were the loudest voices for us," Fong's older sister, Shoua Lee told the BBC. "Even before we asked for help from other communities, they had come to us and offered their help."

etc.

"The one that we’re trying to promote, although Aryans are simply better in terms of degree."

"Aryan" is not a geographic ethnicity.

“I don’t really find it convincing”

An argument in the finest tradition of this website.

“Which is what the powers that be want you to think, so that leftism won’t be reinvigorated and turned into something internally consistent and competent. I won’t let people who call themselves leftists, and how the media and social media portrays leftists, influence my perception. It’s not a coincidence that the whole anti-SJW thing became a sudden massive trend online in 2015 and 2016.”

Me calling Leftists hypocrites has nothing to do with how the media portrays them. It has to do with you saying things like whites should stop reproducing so that native Americans can have back the land that was stolen from them but Arabs in North Africa can stay there and do not have to give North Africa back to the Berbers and Copts.

“I'm not sure what the "geographical ethnic origin" of Capybaras are, but I'm pretty certain they could not be classified as Turanian or Gentile by Aryanist standards:”

So, it isn’t that whites shouldn’t reproduce so that native Americans can inherit the land. It’s that both whites and native Americans shouldn’t reproduce so that the noble Capybara can inherit the land! To paraphrase Diogenese the Cynic “Behold! An Aryan!”

“Because “black” supremacy isn’t really a thing.”


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The Khoisan held most of sub-saharan Africa before the Bantu expansion. A displacement easily comparable in magnitude to the displacement of native Americans by Europeans.

“Jews will answer the same thing if they got questioned about the history of their ancestor's settlement's progress on Islamic land. I don't take their argument seriously”

More laughable imitations of 90sRF’s bullshit.