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SirGalahad

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Vaccination
« on: March 04, 2021, 07:30:39 pm »
Whatís the opinion here, concerning vaccination? I know that you guys are against the vaccination of infants (since they canít consent) and children who donít want to be vaccinated (since that would violate their consent), but what about adults? You guys seem to allude in certain blog and forum posts that you have issues with vaccination in general, which would include adults. With COVID vaccines beginning to be rolled out to the general population, I was just wondering if there was anything I should be aware of, before I potentially decide to get vaccinated myself
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2021, 09:31:50 pm »
Whatís the opinion here, concerning vaccination? I know that you guys are against the vaccination of infants (since they canít consent) and children who donít want to be vaccinated (since that would violate their consent), but what about adults? You guys seem to allude in certain blog and forum posts that you have issues with vaccination in general, which would include adults. With COVID vaccines beginning to be rolled out to the general population, I was just wondering if there was anything I should be aware of, before I potentially decide to get vaccinated myself

I served in the U.S. military and received many vaccines. I could not serve with out them. That probably doesn't answer your question all that well though....

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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2021, 10:28:27 pm »
"I know that you guys are against the vaccination of infants (since they canít consent) and children who donít want to be vaccinated (since that would violate their consent)"

This is correct.

"what about adults? You guys seem to allude in certain blog and forum posts that you have issues with vaccination in general"

We are firstly against vaccines whose development involved experimination on animals (who did not consent either). If a vaccine did not involve experimentation on animals, under current circumstances (ie. us not being in charge) we are on ethical grounds willing to leave it up to each individual to decide whether or not to use it.

If we were in charge, however, we on medical grounds would not use vaccination (or other herd immunity) programs. This is because a vaccine exerts selective pressure on the virus (similar to how predators exert selective pressure on prey) thus leading to virus mutating into more complex forms that enable it to survive the antibodies generated by the vaccine in the long-term, which will later necessitate a new vaccine (similar to how prey exert selective pressure on predators) that generates more complex antibodies, which then does the same thing to the new virus in an endless cycle. This is the typical Western approach to all problems, which we ideologically reject.

The correct way to counter a virus (used since ancient times) is by strict lockdown to prevent the infected from infecting anyone else. Deprived of a supply of new hosts, the virus is automatically doomed, and we just have to wait it out. It is that simple.

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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2021, 12:58:21 am »
It's happening already:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-african-variant-break-pfizer-200435213.html

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The coronavirus variant discovered in South Africa can "break through" Pfizer/BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine to some extent, a real-world data study in Israel found, though its prevalence in the country is low and the research has not been peer reviewed.

The study, released on Saturday, compared almost 400 people who had tested positive for COVID-19, 14 days or more after they received one or two doses of the vaccine, against the same number of unvaccinated patients with the disease. It matched age and gender, among other characteristics.

The South African variant, B.1.351, was found to make up about 1% of all the COVID-19 cases across all the people studied, according to the study by Tel Aviv University and Israel's largest healthcare provider, Clalit.

But among patients who had received two doses of the vaccine, the variant's prevalence rate was eight times higher than those unvaccinated - 5.4% versus 0.7%.

This suggests the vaccine is less effective against the South African variant, compared with the original coronavirus and a variant first identified in Britain that has come to comprise nearly all COVID-19 cases in Israel, the researchers said.

"We found a disproportionately higher rate of the South African variant among people vaccinated with a second dose, compared to the unvaccinated group. This means that the South African variant is able, to some extent, to break through the vaccine's protection," said Tel Aviv University's Adi Stern.

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2021, 12:36:14 am »
Who knows what this virus is going to end up mutating into. Perhaps a day will soon arrive were all the anti-lockdown protestors will hate themselves for their foolishness. Covid-19 is an RNA virus after-all. Homo Hubris maybe kicking himself for his stupidity sooner than we had previously imagined....

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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2021, 07:59:39 pm »
False Leftists are once again deflecting criticism from Western Civilization by placing the blame squarely on "Big Pharma".

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Vaccination in Thailand
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2021, 06:03:31 am »
If you think this topic is useful, you can move.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2107255/lets-vaccinate-together-pm

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The government has pledged to work closely with the private sector to speed up the Covid-19 vaccine rollout and achieve its target of providing 100 million Covid-19 vaccine shots to inoculate 50 million people by the end of the year.

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha used a meeting with businessmen at Government House yesterday to stress that he and his ministers were committed to helping them acquire more vaccines.

"The prime minister was glad that the government will work with the private sector as they share a common aim of containing the outbreak of Covid-19 and restoring the economy to prepare for the reopening of the country," said government spokesman Anucha Burapachaisri.

The government has approved the private sector's proposal to set up four teams, comprising several companies, to help increase the rollout and buy more vaccines:

Team A will be responsible for distribution and logistics and will provide personnel and equipment support, plus additional vaccination areas arranged by private companies;

Team B (communication) will work to allay people's concern about the safety of vaccines and persuade them to be inoculated;

Team C (IT operation) will develop a vaccination registration system and provide technical support to the state's official "Mor Prom" Line account;

Team D (extra vaccine procurement) will work with state agencies and private hospitals to buy and offer alternative vaccines to private company staff.

Sanan Angubolkul, the Thai Chamber of Commerce (TCC) chairman, said after the meeting that the prime minister had welcomed the proposal and stressed the TCC was ready to assist government moves to buy more vaccines and speed up their distribution.

Gen Prayut is now calling the shots in the Covid-19 campaign after the cabinet granted him temporary powers on Tuesday to enforce 31 laws relating to the handling of the pandemic.

Danucha Pichayanan, secretary-general of the National Economic and Social Development Council (NESDC), said after yesterday's meeting that the prime minister had instructed the council and the National Security Council (NSC) to work with the Joint Public and Private Sector Consultative Committee (JPPSCC) to support the procurement of vaccine doses by state and private agencies.

It was agreed at the meeting that the two sectors would collaborate to distribute vaccine doses and vaccinate priority groups in Bangkok, while the JPPSCC would be responsible for distribution and vaccination in other provinces, Mr Danucha said.

The Public Health Ministry and the Interior Ministry will work with the Federation of Thai Industries, the Board of Trade of Thailand, the Thai Bankers Association and the Tourism Council of Thailand to procure vaccine doses and achieve broad vaccine distribution.

Mr Danucha said the private sector would coordinate with the NSC and other concerned agencies to roll out a PR campaign and build public confidence in the vaccines.

The Public Health Ministry will be responsible for handling the registration of five priority groups: medical and healthcare staff, front-line officials such as immigration officers and soldiers, people with underlying health issues, people aged 60 and above, and those living in the worst-hit areas.

The Food and Drug Administration and Government Pharmaceutical Organisation have also been instructed to consider easing regulations to allow the private sector to procure vaccine doses, Mr Danucha said.

Thailand is using mainly 2 brands:
1) Sinovac imported from China
2) AstraZeneca manufactured at Siam Bioscience, a company owned by the Crown Property Bureau of Thailand.

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Re: Vaccination
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2021, 10:36:24 pm »
Hopefully, this new strain will target the arrogant, Homo Hubris Westerners who hubristically proclaimed that they were impervious to the disease since they had injected themselves with Western pharmaceuticals. But then again, knowing how the Demiurge works, I wouldn't count on it.

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2021, 06:08:51 am »
Vaccination is encouraged in Thailand by the government and respected Thai medical doctors.
There is a picture quoting a doctor dean compares death from COVID-19 and vaccination, which the former is much more than the latter.
Thai pro-government people trust what the government and respected Thai medical doctors said.
Thai anti-government people are more sceptical fearing that vaccination is promoted by the government.

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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2021, 06:11:06 am »
Vaccination is encouraged in Thailand by the government and respected Thai medical doctors.
There is a picture quoting a doctor dean compares death from COVID-19 and vaccination, which the former is much more than the latter.
Thai pro-government people trust what the government and respected Thai medical doctors said.
Thai anti-government people are more sceptical fearing that vaccination is promoted by the government.

The government, doctors, and pro-government people see every measure like lockdowns, masks, social distancing are mandatory; while vaccination is strongly encouraged by them.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2021, 03:48:42 pm »
'It's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks': Alabama Governor
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As COVID-19 cases surge in parts of the United States, Alabama Governor Kay Ivey told reporters, ĎIt's time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It's the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.í
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IN3HUPeSXI

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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2021, 11:13:11 pm »
I told you so:

https://us.yahoo.com/news/cdc-coronavirus-could-just-few-195538150.html

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CDC: The coronavirus could be 'just a few mutations' away from evading vaccines
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The CDC announced Tuesday that people infected with Delta - vaccinated or unvaccinated - have higher viral loads (meaning they carry greater amounts of virus) compared to other versions of coronavirus. That means even vaccinated people could pass the virus along to others similarly to how unvaccinated people do.

More transmission means more mutations

All viruses change over time as they replicate inside an infected host. So countless versions of the coronavirus are circulating, each separated by a handful of tiny changes in its genetic code. Many of these have no real public-health impact, but the more people a virus infects, the more chances it has to mutate into a new, dangerous variant.

"The biggest concern at the moment is just the sheer number of people that have the virus and therefore the sheer number of variants that are being generated," Andrew Read, who studies the evolution of infectious diseases at Pennsylvania State University, previously told Insider. "Some of those might be the jackpot which are even fitter than Delta."

Even though Delta is already the most transmissible variant, Read said it could still acquire combinations of mutations that make it even better at spreading - what he called a "Delta-plus" variant.

It's also possible that two separate variants - Delta and Alpha, for instance - could combine their mutations to produce an even more infectious strain.

This is why the correct objective from the beginning should have been to stop transmissions instead of merely making transmission (temporarily) harmless. Every ancient civilization understood this elementary epidemiological principle. Unfortunately, we live under Western civilization. So despite even Western medics being aware that vaccines just make things worse down the line, they will continue with the vaccination approach anyway!


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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2021, 07:22:47 pm »
Rand Paul: Nothing more authoritarian than no-fly list for unvaccinated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsRN5fbA4Zk

What Paul meant to say was: "There's nothing more Western than a no-fly list for the un-vaccinated...."

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2021, 09:27:31 am »
Whatís the opinion here, concerning vaccination?

I do not intend to vaccinate against Covid because I oppose the torture and exploitation of animals in laboratories as part of vaccine testing. This is my main reason why I will not do that. Otherwise, I would probably get vaccinated.

However, the injustice of the current situation makes me furious, because everything seems to indicate that it was (sub)humans (namely: meat-eaters) that caused the pandemic, because some guy in Wuhan ate a bat infected with the virus. And now (sub)humas are infecting animals (by violence, wihout their consent) with the virus in laboratories in order to test a vaccine for a pandemic caused by meat-eaters through their barbaric practices of eating other sentient beings. F*** humans and f*** their stupid vaccine obtained by such barbaric methods.