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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2021, 04:18:46 pm »
Trump Brutally Schools Candace Owens on Vaccines
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--Donald Trump brutally schools Candace Owens when she tries to go anti-vaccine on him during a bizarre interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0_XKgmnApU

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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2022, 08:46:17 pm »
And again:

https://www-firstpost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.firstpost.com/health/france-detects-new-covid-19-variant-ihu-more-infectious-than-omicron-all-we-know-about-it-10256521.html/

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France detects new COVID-19 variant 'IHU', more infectious than Omicron: All we know about it
The new variant — B.1.640.2 — which has been detected in 12 patients near Marseille, contains 46 mutations, making it more resistant to vaccines and infectious

How many times do we have to repeat this cycle before people get it? As long as transmissions keep happening (even if asymptomatically), the virus will keep evolving until it can get past the vaccine. So you have take a booster shot. And then the virus will keep evolving until it can get past that as well. So then you take another booster shot. And so on. As long as transmissions are allowed to keep happening, nothing is fundamentally improving. But when I try to explain this, people say: "Well, if it makes no sense, why is it so widely accepted?" And I say: "Borrowing money at interest makes no sense either."

The real answer is that this entire problem-solving approach will continue to be accepted in all domains so long as its philosophical foundations are not dismantled.

Immunity approach = "We will evolve to be immune to you, and if you keep evolving in response, we will just keep evolving faster!"

Lockdown approach = "We will (by preventing transmissions) prevent you from evolving, so that we don't need to evolve either!"

The immunity approach is, at its core, a manifestation of progressivism (and hence equating the acquiring of more and more immunity with strengthening). The lockdown approach is a manifestation of regressivism (and hence equating the acquiring of more and more immunity with adulteration).

Regressivism must defeat progressivism if we are to break the cycle.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/


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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2022, 10:40:02 pm »
At least we won't have to worry about running out of Greek alphabet letters if we can just combine them.....

https://theaseanpost.com/article/cyprus-scientists-discover-deltacron-covid-strain

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A researcher in Cyprus discovered a strain of the coronavirus that combines the Delta and Omicron variant, Bloomberg News reported on Saturday.

Leondios Kostrikis, professor of biological sciences at the University of Cyprus and head of the Laboratory of Biotechnology and Molecular Virology, called the strain “Deltacron,” because of its Omicron-like genetic signatures within the Delta genomes.
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Recombinant forms of viruses can arise when there are multiple variants of a pathogen circulating, said Nick Loman, a microbial genomics professor at England’s University of Birmingham who studies the coronavirus.

And why are they still circulating? Because you idiots are relying on vaccines instead of lockdowns!

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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2022, 12:44:06 am »
The Biden administration has officially given up at halting the pandemic:

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“Omicron, with its extraordinary, unprecedented degree of efficiency of transmissibility, will, ultimately, find just about everybody,” Fauci told the Center for Strategic and International Studies during a “fireside chat.”
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/589344-fauci-omicron-will-infect-just-about-everybody

This means that the only way the pandemic will end is by democratic nations achieving herd immunity. (Even competent governments like China are not safe, because the virus can constantly be re-transmitted into their nation as long as a reservoir remains in dysfunctional Western nations!) Since individuals can catch Covid again within as little as 3 months, this means herd immunity will be impossible without wide-spread vaccination. Relying on a population of vaccinated people + people with "natural immunity" is not enough, since the "natural immunity" people will constantly be reinfected like a game of musical chairs as waves of the virus spread throughout each nation.

So, from a public health perspective, we are completely f*cked, and have to handle this on an individual level.


I would recommend that everyone here get the vaccine. Regarding the ethical considerations, sometimes we have to make compromises on our journey if we are ever to make it to the ultimate goal. If we are too inflexible, we risk being cut down before even coming close to accomplishing anything, thereby allowing evil to continue just because we were too stubborn to pick our minor battles.

Even if the vaccine cannot 100% prevent transmission of the virus, all evidence shows that it nearly eliminates the risk of death and hospitalization for individuals who are infected with "breakthrough" cases. As individuals, we are of no use to social justice activism if we die coughing up foamy saliva from a stupid virus. This is not the hill to die on.

If we manage to survive the pandemic, the reduction of exploitation that our actions will be able to achieve will drastically outweigh the potential unethicalness of partaking in a small vaccine that billions of people have already taken. (If it makes you feel any better, governments are over-producing the amount of vaccines, since they can't be stored forever, and you are not contributing to additional "demand" for the vaccine, since they are being over-produced whether you sign up to get one or not.)


Omicron is so insanely infectious that it does seem likely that nearly everyone will get exposed to it (even those of us who have managed to avoid contracting Covid thus far). The media is reporting it is less dangerous to the body than previous strains, but I think this is partially propaganda to keep the public from panicking. (The hospitals in the US and other nations are about ready to collapse, since the daily peak of infections for omicron in the US is like 4-5x greater than the delta wave where numerous hospitals throughout the nation were at 100% capacity and had to let people die from heart attacks, appendix ruptures, etc. because they simply had no doctors to treat non-Covid patients either!!!) Even if this strain is drastically less deadly than the previous ones, it still carries the risk of death or long-lasting symptoms for the unvaccinated.

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« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2022, 08:23:11 am »
I've had for a few weeks now symptoms of what Western medical diagnosis would label "Omicron". I had some flu-like symptoms first (chills, aches, fevers), and now I have a severe cough. I didn't get tested because Western medical diagnosis is of little use to me, and also because I've been infected with the flu before, 10 years ago, and I felt then exactly as I did now. I haven't been vaccinated against the flu, which was probably why I was infected with it, and it is probably why I've always been a sickly child. This shows the extent of how disease-ridden the West really is: disease is so pervasive in their society that Westerners require an annual vaccine to (temporarily) suppress it, only to require a vaccine the next year for a new strain.

I do not plan on getting vaccinated, as I do not fear death. I have experienced extreme illness in my life multiple times; when I was a pre-teen, I suffered from asthma which caused extreme pressure in my lungs and made me feel like I was literally going to die (non-Western doctors later identified the cause of asthma as being other vaccines which I had received as I child, as my non-Western body was rejecting the vaccine (designed for Westerners). The flu itself made me so sick 10 years ago to the point of having near death experiences. I have essentially experienced death and rebirth as a child, which has led to my discovering of Aryanism to find a solution to the disease-ridden West.

Moreover, the vaccine itself is not effective in preventing further mutations, so it is essentially useless, and there is also no guarantee that I will not receive side effects due to my body rejecting the substance. I find it futile to inject my body with foreign substances based on some Western probabilistic calculation that it will probably do more good than harm. If I die, I die; taking "preventative" action based on "scientific" evidence is not guaranteed to stop this anyway.

I hope I have been of value to this forum. Unfortunately, I was not able to complete the project that I initially signed up for, but I have nevertheless been able to provide some content to this forum by creating some of the threads and replying to some of the posts, so I am thankful for that opportunity.
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« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2022, 01:57:31 pm »
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I hope I have been of value to this forum. Unfortunately, I was not able to complete the project that I initially signed up for, but I have nevertheless been able to provide some content to this forum by creating some of the threads and replying to some of the posts, so I am thankful for that opportunity.

My sentiments exactly.

I do not plan on taking the vaccine either. I do not fear death either. If the pain becomes unbearable I'll just use a bullet to end it. If more people felt this way we wouldn't even need Western medicine really, which is just another indicator of how sick the West really is, spiritually, mentally, and physically. It also says a lot about the people who would like to live forever in the hell they are creating in my mind, definitely another symptom of their sickness!

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« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2022, 02:03:07 pm »
Speak of the devil....

How omicron broke through coronavirus vaccines
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The highly transmissible omicron variant of the coronavirus has taken over as the dominant strain in the United States, resulting in breakthrough infections among the vaccinated.

Omicron has sparked alarm both internationally and in the United States, where it accounted for more than 98 percent of new infections during the week ending Jan. 8, according to the most recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The variant has an unusually high number of mutations that make it significantly more contagious and capable of eluding the body’s first line of immune defenses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7piZ1wrugqg

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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2022, 07:06:56 pm »
I do not fear death.

I do not fear death either.

The question isn't whether you fear death, but whether you fear dying without having done your utmost to end a substantial number of non-Aryan bloodlines. If you think you haven't, I recommend you follow Zea_mays' advice.

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« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2022, 08:26:27 pm »
Western brains are broken:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5r6UJsgqLw

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"New variants will appear as many people get infected..."

Simple logic based on only the above information would lead to the conclusion that the correct way to stop new variants from appearing is to prevent people from getting infected using lockdowns. But instead the guy then goes right back to talking about vaccines as if he never even heard himself speak the first part of his own sentence!

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« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2022, 11:10:21 pm »
How Vaccine Patents Make The Covid Crisis Worse
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The multi-billion-dollar patent war over the mRNA coronavirus vaccine has grabbed the attention of the likes of leaders from President Biden to Bill Gates. Its outcome could yet again change the course of the pandemic.

It's been well over a year since a landmark proposal brought the issue of patent waiver for the mRNA Covid vaccine to the spotlight. But many observers don't see that waiving the intellectual property (IP) rights on Covid vaccines is an effective way to put a stop to the pandemic.

Supporters of patent waivers like Harsha Thirumurthy, associate professor of medical ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania, argue the issue lies at the heart of the reason why vaccines are less accessible in lower-income countries.

"It limits how much manufacturing there can be of that product or that vaccine," said Thirumurthy, adding it keeps the price "artificially high enough that it limits the ability of other countries in the world."

But critics counter that patent waivers will not automatically lead to an improvement in global vaccine distribution.

Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates was among those who originally spoke out against the patent waiver, emphasizing that there are problems beyond patents that must be addressed first. Gates later reversed his stance and is now in full support of temporarily waiving the protections over coronavirus vaccine patents.

"Having a billion vaccines sitting in a warehouse of a lab that's developing will do no good getting us back to normal," said Heath Naquin, vice president of government and capital engagement at the University City Science Center, a nonprofit research organization, in Philadelphia.

"The patent waiver itself doesn't actually solve that core issues in many developing countries, which are not related to the recipe, they are related to the way you get that out the door to people."

However, experts on both sides of the debate seriously doubt whether a patent waiver on Covid-19 vaccines will ever come to be.

"I think we had the best hope of it last year when there was a proposal that was put forward at the WTO and the Biden administration had supported it," said Thirumurthy.

"But we had European countries that objected to those patent waivers."

Watch the video to find out more about why vaccine patents exist and the ongoing debate over their impact on the Covid pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljod8p5l8yQ

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« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2022, 09:53:27 pm »
I just wanted to say I am feeling better after a few days of drinking cough syrup and some other non-Western medicine. To this day, I have never taken any prescription medication/antibiotics/antivirals (except for when I had a surgery). I do not see why I should do anything differently now, except to prevent death. Although given that the side effects also have a chance of killing me as well, and the fact virus has already mutated to evade the vaccine, I really don't see the point. What do you guys think?

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« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2022, 11:02:00 pm »
I once had strep throat and tonsillitis at the same exact time. I made it a week and a half without antibiotics. I did end up taking a full course of antibiotics though to get rid of it. I'm not too worried about Covid-19, doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as either of those combined. I'm also not around other people all that much so my exposure to any virus is pretty limited. I'm not worried about catching Covid-19 at all....

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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2022, 01:08:46 am »
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The question isn't whether you fear death, but whether you fear dying without having done your utmost to end a substantial number of non-Aryan bloodlines

Yes, this is my concern. It would be awfully pitiful for the nucleus of the True Left to be wiped out by a stupid virus (not even a bio-weapon designed to target us, but something that only still exists because Westerners are too **** stupid to stay inside for a month) before the True Left even accomplishes anything.

Yahweh will certainly be laughing if we are all wiped out, due to our own stubbornness, before we even have a chance to face him in a real battle. A soldier must have a sense of self-preservation in order to stay alive long enough to accomplish his mission (or at least long enough to sacrifice himself in a decisive moment), even if it means making certain compromises. Because in the end, accomplishing the mission is of the utmost importance.


Obviously, if we were in charge of things we would have followed China's example (as they managed to defeat the virus before vaccines were even invented!!). If Western nations had any competence at all, they would have just bit the bullet and decided to implement similar measures to just get this over with, but they don't care, and are never going to.

From a public health (i.e. state-level) perspective and an evolutionary perspective, using vaccines to fight a pandemic is utterly stupid. But, on an individual level, it is better than being at the mercy of the superspreaders for who knows how many more years.

Unless you live in the middle of the woods all alone, it is likely you will be exposed at some point. Even healthy athletes with no known genetic health conditions, etc., have died from this. Covid can also cause a "cytokine storm", where the immune system over-produces inflammatory molecules. A "cytokine storm" can be particularly dangerous to young healthy people with strong immune systems, since they can over-produce these molecules more than average people (in other words, simply having a healthy immune system isn't even a guarantee of fighting off the infection!)


I will not continue to expound on this, since I know how stubborn everyone is. But at the very least, redouble your efforts to remain isolated if you aren't going to get vaccinated. Maybe we'll get lucky and omicron will infect so many people we actually achieve "herd immunity" before a more dangerous strain evolves? ...We'll see in a few months.

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the side effects also have a chance of killing me as well

You are more likely to die by tripping on the sidewalk and breaking your skull or by a traffic accident than by side effects from vaccines.

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virus has already mutated to evade the vaccine

All the reports from hospitals show that the vaccine drastically reduces people's symptoms, and that almost everyone who is dying these days is unvaccinated. So, it still protects you, even if you get infected. (It can reduce your symptoms to a mild cold, compared to having a plastic tube shoved directly into your lungs with the "full" virus.)


I have studied biology and can attempt to answer other questions anyone might have about this subject.

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Regarding antibiotics, it is indeed a good idea to only take those in cases of severe illness, since antibiotics also wipe out most of the healthy bacteria in your digestive tract that aid digestion. (But antibiotics and vaccines work in entirely different manners.)

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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2022, 05:59:12 am »
China has distribute CoronaVac by Sinovac and BBIBP by Sinopharm, which are inactive virus vaccines both domestically and internationally.

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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2022, 01:33:35 am »
In that case I will heed the advice of our leader @90sRetroFan