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True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
« on: August 12, 2023, 06:47:23 pm »
Our message:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/western-democracy/

is finally spreading!

https://rmx.news/germany/pro-refugee-ngo-founder-calls-for-afd-to-be-banned-and-its-leaders-jailed/

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The right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) should be outlawed and its leadership imprisoned in order to deprive millions of Germans of the chance to vote for the party, the founder of a German refugee rescue organization has claimed.

Axel Steier, the founder of the sea rescue Mission Lifeline NGO, made the disturbing remarks in a social media post on Thursday. He proposed that such a drastic measure was necessary for the sake of humanity.

“In the country of the perpetrators, it should not be taboo to ban the AfD and imprison the leadership, even if this deprives 20-40 percent of German voters of their opinion,” Steier posted on X, formerly known as Twitter.

The only thing Steier gets wrong:

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“The persecution of Nazis is still a service to all of humanity,” he added.

No! Hitler was the one who after coming to power banned other political parties - the exact thing you are advocating we now do to the AfD! If only Hitler had won WWII, there would never have been an AfD or any Islamophobic organization allowed in Germany in the first place!

Previous Steier coverage:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/operation-gaddafi/msg20684/#msg20684
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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2023, 05:10:41 pm »
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/13/afd-party-ban-germany-far-right-extremists/

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The co-leader of Olaf Scholz’s ruling Social Democrats also said a ban should be considered if the AfD is categorised as a group of “proven Right-wing extremists”

Yes! Ethics alone, irrespective of public opinion, are what should determine whether or not something should be allowed.

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However Friedrich Merz, the leader of the Christian Democratic Union, warned that “banning parties has never actually solved political problems”.

This is true so long as the members and voters for those parties remain alive, as they will just start another party. The guaranteed effective way to solve political problems is to physically exterminate them.

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Meanwhile, the German Institute for Human Rights, a non-governmental organisation, declared last week that “the AfD have reached a degree of dangerousness that they can be banned according to the constitution”.

They warned in an analysis that the party is actively and methodically trying “to implement its racist and Right-wing extremist goals” and “shifting the limits of what can be said so that people can get used to their ethno-nationalist positions”.
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When the Nazis came to power, they banned all other parties.

Follow Hitler's shining example before it's too late!

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Volker Boehme-Nessler, a political scientist, said he does not believe the party meets the high legal hurdles for a ban.

He warned that a failed attempt would only give the AfD an additional boost in the election campaign, he told eastern German broadcaster MDR.

Just stop having elections altogether! Either you sincerely believe popularity matters, in which case you would not ban the AfD, or you sincerely believe popularity does not matter, in which case why have elections at all?

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“You can’t simply ban a party that gets 20-30 per cent approval” in various states, he added.

Just physically exterminate that 20-30%! (This is why many years ago I was already saying Germany should build a military force exclusively populated by refugees. This force can then be deployed for this task.)

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Germans are evenly split on whether the party should be banned, with 47 per cent of the country in favour of a ban and 47 per cent against.

So what!? If we are going to turn against democracy, then in our rhetoric we should stop caring about how popular something is, and only ever discuss whether or not it is the ethical thing to do!

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A ban is more popular in the west and among liberal Greens.

Of course! The Greens are nearest to True Leftism (and indeed to Hitlerism). The AfD itself is aware of who most threatens them:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/green-wave/msg1510/#msg1510

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Alexander Gauland, co-leader of the far-right Alternative for Germany, declared the Greens "our main enemy."

"The Greens will destroy this country, and our job must and will be to fight the Greens," said Gauland, whose party has claimed that climate change isn't a man-made phenomenon and that efforts to tackle it will harm Germany's economy.

In addition to pushing for action on climate change, the Greens have generally positioned themselves as a counterweight to anti-immigration parties such as Alternative for Germany, which have decried the influx of migrants from the Middle East.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2023, 05:23:38 pm »
Implicit anti-democracy?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasa-scientist-issues-grim-warning-190000490.html

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In a recent statement released by Hansen alongside two other scientists, Hansen predicted the warming of the planet to accelerate in the coming years, musing about a “new climate frontier.”

“There’s a lot more in the pipeline, unless we reduce the greenhouse gas amounts,” Hansen told The Guardian. “These superstorms are a taste of the storms of my grandchildren. We are headed wittingly into the new reality — we knew it was coming.”

Speaking of the heat waves that have ravaged much of the Northern Hemisphere recently, Hansen told The Guardian he cannot help but feel “a sense of disappointment that we scientists did not communicate more clearly and that we did not elect leaders capable of a more intelligent response.”

Of the lack of response by humanity as a whole, Hansen added, “It means we are damned fools. We have to taste it to believe it.”

The obvious next question: should such damned fools be trusted to elect their own leaders?

Damned fool comments:

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More created hysteria for profit by the swamp.

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The planet hasn’t warmed since like 2011.

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We need energy to improve our standard of living and keep us cool on this warming trend and make us comfortable.

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Can a day ever go by without this incessant climate change idiocy?

How arrogant we are to think we can impact the climate by using everything electric, powered by fossil fuels? Enough already.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2023, 11:54:24 pm »
Hitler's system of government were not unique, his system was reviving eastern people's governmental structure

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"The fields of Java are rich and its soil is level and well watered, therefore grain and rice are abundant, twice as much as in other countries. The people do not steal, and what is dropped on the road is not taken up. The common saying: "prosperous Java" means this country. Men and women wrap up their head and wear long clothes."[81]: 124 

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Taxes and fines were paid in cash. Javanese economy had been partly monetised since the late 8th century, using gold and silver coins.

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During the reign of Hayam Wuruk, Majapahit employed a well-organised bureaucratic structure for administrative purposes. The hierarchy and structure relatively remain intact and unchanged throughout Majapahit history.[86] The king is the paramount ruler, as the chakravartin he is considered the universal ruler and believed to be the living god on earth. The king holds the highest political authority and legitimacy.

If Hitler had Fuehrerprinzip and emphasizing farming economy, Nusantarans did it hundreds of years ago even before Hitler was birth

More information :

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Majapahit's ports on the north coast were probably significant stations along the route to obtain the spices of Maluku, and as the spices passed through Java they would have provided an important source of income for Majapahit.[45]: 107 

If Majapahit can obtain spices by trade, why the Europeans or "whites" obtained it by racialism and terror, are they barbaric or not human or what?

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The upper-class performed suttee, a suicide ritual by widowed wives, concubines or female servants, through self immolation by throwing themselves into flaming cremation fire.[19][20]

What Hitler did during his suicide were not uncommon on the Nusantara

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Wikipedia contributors. (2023, August 29). Majapahit. In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 04:44, September 5, 2023, from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majapahit&oldid=1172764738

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The parameters or measurements for dividing social groups in society at that time were determined based on whether or not a person or group of citizens was strongly attached to material or worldly affairs. The further the attachment of a person or citizen to worldly material interests, the higher his dignity in society. And conversely, the stronger a person's attachment to worldly material things and worldly desires, the lower his dignity.

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The Sudra group, namely merchants, moneylenders, landowners, or those who have excessive wealth. They are not allowed to talk about religion. They are not allowed to discuss the scriptures. According to the prevailing view at that time, accumulating wealth was a manifestation of lust or desire for worldliness. And they are prohibited from talking about religion because of the mentality of trading and seeking profit, so they are worried that they will sell the verses for personal gain.

Source :

Struktur Sosial Masyarakat Nusantara Era Majapahit

https://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/5413171498e31b125e8b4567/struktur-sosial-masyarakat-nusantara-era-majapahit/

Such style of government and social hierarchy was not unique and not only found on Hitler

Hitler was not part of Western Civilization

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2023, 10:51:30 pm »
https://x.com/chakravartiin/status/1646514767992090627?s=20
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Mr Melancholy
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Democracy has been the biggest L Vishwaguru took even before it's inception, you want to compare yourself? Then compare your beautiful democracy with authoritarian china and then kang over it. Pakistan's failure has to do more with religious fundamentalism not military rule.
https://x.com/kushal_mehra/status/1646453555170279425?s=20
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कुशल मेहरा
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India's victory as a stable democratic nation is a victory of its inherent dharmic ethos. Two nations were created in 1947, but only one became a military state. The reason is its inherent essence. India's essence is dharmic which is totally compatible with democratic principles
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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2023, 07:45:14 pm »
False Leftist Dollemore clumsily tries to counter Aristotelian democrat Walsh using False Leftism:



and gets flooded by True Leftist commenters:

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Matt should loose his right to vote.

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I 100% agree with Matt Walsh! And the first person that his philosophy should be applied to is Donald Trump.

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I would also include his cult.

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He's right.... republicans shouldn't vote!!

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no maga should be alowed to vote including him. Nor hold elected office.

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If Walsh is referring to the ignorant people who voted for this group of House republicans, I completely agree with him! They should never be allowed to vote again.

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He is right, though. Some people should not be able to vote. It's just that it's people like him who do not deserve to be able to vote since they stand against everything about this country.

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I'd love to see Matt Walsh's face when someone tells him, he doesn't have the right to vote.

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He is right Jessie. Trump voters should not be aloud to vote

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they should not be aloud to live
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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2023, 10:47:03 am »
https://twitter.com/AussieYazz/status/1299831436346753025
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©️AussieYazz 🇦🇺🇹🇷
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1.3m followers stoking the flames of racism. They are 'secularist' kemalist far right scum of Turkey
İf TR was a dictatorship these bastards wouldn't be able to breathe let alone spew racist Islamophobic **** every day! These are the maggots your anti Erdogan stance helps!

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-democracy
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2023, 02:55:47 pm »
Enemy tweet on consciously anti-democratic leftist entryists:

https://twitter.com/StevenEdginton/status/1724762963213480011

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Anonymous Home Office official explains why no matter who is Home Secretary, Britain's borders will remain wide open:

"Despite our change in boss, when it comes to controlling Britain’s borders nothing will change. I know this because I have worked for some time as a civil servant on immigration policy, and – in my experience – no priority is further from the Home Office in 2023 than stopping the boats or cutting net migration.

For all her strident bearing, Suella was cringingly apologetic in speeches to Home Office staff. Instead of instilling much needed discipline, she would tell us what a great job we were doing, not that this got her any kind of loyalty. She was mocked and insulted by London-based staff furious at the refusal to extend safe routes to an ever growing number of countries.

Home Office officials have a moral and legal duty to do everything in their power to deliver the Government’s priorities on immigration. Political impartiality is a central tenet of the civil service code, but this has morphed into a culture of “stewardship”, as our permanent secretary Matthew Rycroft openly admitted in 2021 (when he was recorded telling colleagues there is no need to “slavishly” follow government policy on diversity).

What this means in practice is accepting the bien pensant view that immigration cannot and should not be controlled, overruling the instructions of ministers and thereby their democratic mandates, with many of my colleagues viewing their role as being part of the resistance to what they see as a radical Right-wing Government determined to ignore the rules to punish innocent migrants. This culture of defiance is so widespread that any suggestion of border controls is sneered at or ignored.


There is widespread understanding that our asylum rules are open to abuse. Any Border Force officer or civil servant who works on asylum policy will tell you this openly. Yet any suggestion that asylum rules be tightened or asylum seekers be refused is rejected out of hand as cold-hearted evil.

If I were to walk into a meeting and suggest reducing migration or ask how we could immediately deport small boat arrivals or foreign criminals, my colleagues might think to ring the many mental health services we are provided to check in on my sanity.

Even the most moderate attempts to do anything about migration are met internally as either unreasonable or not legally possible, with discussion being stopped dead by allusion to “international law”.


Instead of dealing with the national crises facing Britain, including record legal and illegal migration, endless time is wasted. Senior staff hold events on Black History Month, Windrush and microaggressions. We are told to attend quarterly “away days” (held online usually, most of us are in the office just one day a week) where we are given prizes and are told by senior civil servants just how wrong any political or press criticism of our work is. In meetings nominally discussing policy, we are forced to listen to HR Directors give lectures on diversity and hand out awards about inclusivity. We are patronised and treated like children.

The mood is of self-congratulation and there is a refusal to engage let alone learn from the criticism the department receives, unless of course it comes from the Left or from an incredibly expensive commission finding that we are institutionally racist. There is no self-reflection on the fact we have completely failed to fulfil our democratic duty to reduce migration.

When the Rwanda scheme seemed a millimetre closer to happening, staff message boards were filled with comments vowing they will not work on such an evil project.
Senior staff always mollify these messages and tell staff not to resign. Everyone knows that the clock is running down on the current Government and nothing really needs to be done; policies cannot be enacted as they need governance, and the governance needs terms of reference and the terms of reference need to be redrafted and then circulated a few more times before we can hold the first meeting. Many relatively senior officials spend their time dealing with this work, toiling away at things that will never be read or used in an endless round of busywork.

In spite of all this it wouldn’t matter if the Home Office was a finely oiled machine ready and eager to deliver on every possible government priority and determined to protect the UK’s borders. The clear messaging behind closed doors from the Treasury and other departments is that legal migration should be expanded to boost lacklustre economic growth.

For my colleagues, I suspect James Cleverly’s ascension is merely an opportunity to run rings around an inexperienced minister in a new department. And for Britain, our borders will remain uncontrolled."