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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2022, 02:19:25 am »
"There could also be confusions using 'it', I would assume you were not talking about a person if you referred to an 'it'. Even if you disagree, using they/them is in agreement with more mainstream gender-neutral language and cannot be considered in any way insulting, whereas "it" can be."

There are some who prefer It/Its pronouns for themselves. Some would say that's dehumanizing, but I see that as an opportunity to criticize anthropocentrism. Theoretically if you think of gender as a compass instead of a single spectrum, It/Its could be seen as implicitly neither masculine nor feminine (neotenous), while They/Them could be seen as implicitly both masculine and feminine (androgynous).

I've been contemplating using It/Any pronouns on myself for these and other reasons. But I would still use They/Them for most situations for the reasons you mentioned.

This could also be explored in fiction.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2022, 03:19:06 am »
There are some who prefer It/Its pronouns for themselves. Some would say that's dehumanizing, but I see that as an opportunity to criticize anthropocentrism. Theoretically if you think of gender as a compass instead of a single spectrum, It/Its could be seen as implicitly neither masculine nor feminine (neotenous), while They/Them could be seen as implicitly both masculine and feminine (androgynous).

I don't see they/them as necessarily androgynous. I think that the association of they/them with androgyny may be an artifact of the assumption that people are gendered beings. It makes sense that they/them would carry such artifacts as it is used in reference to people, so it reflects the ways in which people are typically viewed.

Countering anthropocentrism is a good reason for it-pronouns, but I would prefer to fight anthropocentrism the other way by referring to more non-humans (starting with animals!) as they/them. This reinforces the idea that animals are beings like us and not objects (goys) to be exploited. Referring to all beings as "it" would not change anything about the way we talk about any non-humans, and so it does not have this advantage. This may also further normalise the objectification and exploitation of humans aswell as non-humans.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2022, 09:39:42 pm »
Good!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/disney-removes-ladies-and-gentlemen-boys-and-girls-magic-kingdom-fireworks/

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The original introduction included, "Good evening, ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, dreamers of all ages." Now, the greeting is "Good evening, dreamers of all ages."

The rightist reaction:

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The change caused a mixed reaction on social media. Some Twitter users were outraged, with one writing "I HATE THAT. BRING IT BACK NOW!!!"

The leftist reaction:

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Others say they welcome the new change. "I love "Dreamers of all ages" because it really makes that super snuggly and more magical. It's so heartwarming," one person tweeted.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2022, 08:51:51 pm »
Even the most elementary degendering, such as everyone filling in the same form, upsets worshippers of sexual dimorphism:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10928505/Male-blood-donor-turned-away-clinic-refused-answer-pregnant.html

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Mr Sinclair, 66, was told to fill in a form which asked whether he was expecting a child or had been pregnant in the past six months.

When he complained that as a man in his 60s this question did not apply and he should not have to answer it, Mr Sinclair said staff at the clinic told him they could not accept his blood.
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'It is nonsensical and it makes me angry because there are vulnerable people waiting for blood, including children, and in desperate need of help. But they've been denied my blood because of the obligation to answer a question that can't possibly be answered.'

If he is not pregnant, just tick the 'No' box! What is so difficult about that?

Sinclair also looks like what we would expect:


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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2022, 05:06:56 pm »
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Right (and False Left):

"In His own image created He them; male and female created He them." - Tanakh

True Left:

"When you make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ... then will you enter the Kingdom.” - Jesus

Correction:
Right (and False Left):

"In His own image created He them; male and female created He them." - Genesis 1:27
True Left:

"When you make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ... then will you enter the Kingdom.” - Thomas 22:5,7
When in doubt, use the 16 Words: 'We must Engineer the Destruction of Western Civilization and Tribalism, and Unite All Races Through Nobility.'

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

History is Written by the Victors.

He Who Controls the Past Controls the Future; He Who Controls the Present Controls the Past.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2022, 05:34:16 pm »
The Gospel of Thomas are sayings attributed to Jesus, not Thomas.

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Gospel of Thomas. (Translated by Thomas O. Lambdin). These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas. Thomas wrote down.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2022, 06:35:17 pm »
(Sigh) I know that, but it's important for those looking for sources for bible/Gnostic text study to cite the proper book, chapter, and verse. Besides, anyone who sees that quote is invariably going to ask, 'Where does He say that?', so I'm helping them out.
When in doubt, use the 16 Words: 'We must Engineer the Destruction of Western Civilization and Tribalism, and Unite All Races Through Nobility.'

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

History is Written by the Victors.

He Who Controls the Past Controls the Future; He Who Controls the Present Controls the Past.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2022, 04:27:36 am »
Our enemies complain about common sense:

https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/06/how-dare-you-misgender-me/

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From next year, the booking system must also be changed so that Deutsche Bahn no longer only addresses its customers with “Mr.” or “Mrs.” [What about “It”?] Either it must be dropped completely, or the company must find a third form of address, which has so far been completely unclear.
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“There are still no universally recognized standards for addressing non-binary gender people in the German-speaking world,” said a spokeswoman for Die Welt. Even within the group of people affected, the ideas about this are currently still very different.

Why not simply "Guest" ("Gast") for everyone?
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2022, 04:32:26 am »
Some history:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKaVI-IStNE

Let's finish the job!

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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2022, 09:50:51 pm »
SNL makes fun of MTG's gender obsession:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4VGtQBXjY8