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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2021, 12:29:26 am »
The worst thing is that progressives are on board with space travel also. Read the following utter idiocy:

https://goodmenproject.com/social-justice-2/black-people-white-people-and-orange-people-on-mars/

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Going to Mars can help Earth solve racism. Also, sexism. If we do it right.
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Going to Mars inspires young people to know that doing the impossible can become possible. Once, it was impossible to split atoms, walk on the moon, or understand the human genome. Now it’s in the realm of what humans can achieve. Why, on Earth then, do we limit our beliefs to think that we cannot “achieve the impossible” and cure inequality? If a very huge majority of people say no to exploitation, it can be stopped.
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The first human colonists on Mars will come from a changed Earth, one that better knows itself. We will also learn, more than ever before, that we are one species among many. We can unite with this fact, and let it seep deeply into the shared DNA of our bones.

To know for a fact, once and for all, that we are not alone in the Universe is huge. It could well change our petty opinions about in-groups and out-groups. It could inform and improve our religions, and our narrow perspectives on who “belongs.”

Anti-racists already exist, and we did not need to go to Mars to become anti-racist. So why should going to Mars be necessary to promote anti-racism? Put another way, anyone who must go to Mars as a prerequisite to become anti-racist is not really anti-racist! Of course, progressives are simply bad at thinking. (The reality is that progressives are Westerners, therefore like the idea of going to Mars for the usual Western reasons, and are just trying to rationalize in some nominal anti-racism as an afterthought.)
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Utopianism is Slavish!
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2021, 05:32:29 pm »
Walter Isaacson Hopes CRISPR Gene Editing Will Be Used To Create A Utopia, Not A Dystopia
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZviX6VjaeY

All utopian ideals are rooted in hedonism and all hedonism is slavish. Furthermore, what do you think rightists would create with CRISPR technology? Are you people completely fucken insane at this point or what? What is wrong with your brains? Why can you not think clearly?





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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2021, 12:29:57 am »
False Leftists are confused about vocabulary:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/university-warns-against-using-oppressive-171700004.html

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A Massachusetts university compiled a growing list of words and phrases it considers “oppressive” and discouraged people from using them.

The phrase “killing it,” for example, is language Brandeis University wants people to stop using.

"If someone is doing well, we don’t need to equate that to murder," Brandeis’s Prevention, Advocacy, and Resource Center wrote in a new "oppressive language list."

The list is divided into five categories: violent language, identity-based language, language that doesn’t say what we mean, culturally appropriative language, and person-first alternatives.

“Take a shot/stab at,” “trigger warning,” and “go off the reservation” are all on the “violent language” list because they “needlessly use imagery of hurting someone or something.”

Many people (e.g. rightists) deserve to be hurt. To discourage such imagery is to promote the notion that no one deserves to be hurt, which is going to ensure we lose when the fighting begins.

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People should also stop using “rule of thumb,” another phrase on the list, as the “expression allegedly comes from an old British law allowing men to beat their wives with sticks no wider than their thumb.”

OK, this one I agree with. Nice information about Western civilization too!

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The “identity-based language” list includes terms that are masculine-dominant, such as “you guys,” “policeman,” “congressman,” and "freshman.”

"You guys" is not masculine:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/guy#etymonline_v_14401

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"fellow," 1847, American English; earlier, in British English (1836) "grotesquely or poorly dressed person," originally (1806) "effigy of Guy Fawkes," leader of the Gunpowder Plot to blow up British king and Parliament (Nov. 5, 1605). The effigies were paraded through the streets by children on the anniversary of the conspiracy.

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“Ladies and gentlemen,” a phrase often used to address a crowd of mixed genders, should also not be used, as it is “within the gender binary, which doesn’t include everyone.”

I agree (in fact I was proposing this one long before mainstream academia was).

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The term “African American” should also stop being used. “Black” is listed as a “possible alternative” as “not all Black people are from Africa and/or America.”

I agree. As I keep saying, this is the only correct definition of Africa:



But "black" should eventually be phased out too, as it too is a Western concept.

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Even a more generic term such as “people of color” is considered “oppressive,” as the center said: “If you are talking about a specific racial group, name the group you are talking about.”

WRONG. These so-called "specific racial groups" are Western concepts, which is what we need to get rid of. Thus using "POC"* is better than using these group names, as it emphasizes our outgroup status only and not the Western concepts designed to divide the outgroup. On this account, the more direct "non-white" is even better than "POC".

(* Jews are not POC.)

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Similarly, “transsexual” is a word people “outside of that group should not use.” Instead, the school recommends people simply refer to them as “trans and gender non-conforming folk.”

Far too complicated. People who have had limb-lengthening surgery are not called "height non-conforming folk". Why have special terminology for gender only? (Answer: because Westerners are obsessed with sexual dimorphism.)

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The university also encourages people to stop using words such as “crazy," "insane," "wild," "lame," or "walk-in,” as in a walk-in appointment, because they are “ableist.”

Wrong again. The important thing is whom we call "crazy". Here is an example of the correct way to use the term "crazy" (also note the correct use of the term "you guys", because anyone dressed in Western dress code is grotesquely dressed):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbZHDC9oleU

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/

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The word "picnic" also made the list because it is "often associated with lynchings of Black people in the United States, during which White spectators were said to have watched while eating, referring to them as picnics or other terms involving racial slurs against Black people."

So do you want people to remember how evil "whites" are, or do you want them to forget? I want them to remember and hence buy:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/firearms/
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2021, 04:49:18 am »
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Brandeis University

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandeis_University

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Founded in 1948 as a non-sectarian, coeducational institution sponsored by the Jewish community, Brandeis was established on the site of the former Middlesex University. The university is named after Louis Brandeis, the first Jewish Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

If this university’s anti-racism efforts were in any way sincere, its administration would have started by abolishing every one of its institutional references to Judaism and by renaming the institution itself.

More on the racist who the university is named after:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Brandeis

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Brandeis also became a prominent figure in the Zionist movement. He became active in the Federation of American Zionists in 1912, as a result of a conversation with Jacob de Haas, according to some. His involvement provided the nascent American Zionist movement one of the most distinguished men in American life and a friend of the next president. Over the next several years he devoted a great deal of his time, energy, and money to championing the cause.

Leftists should treat this university no differently than the many other institutions and monuments on American soil dedicated to racists.

Given the amount of rubbish published along with the kernels of truth, it seems that the university is deliberately trying to confuse anti-racists, which is of course consistent with the interests of every racist. Considering this intrinsic racist self-interest that must motivate the university’s decisions and its remorseless display of its rotten origins, I find it reasonable to assume that it only ever feigns adherence to any semblance social justice as some sort of preemptive measure in order to dissuade future Cancel Culture targeting.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2021, 02:36:54 pm »
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The word "picnic" also made the list because it is "often associated with lynchings of Black people in the United States, during which White spectators were said to have watched while eating, referring to them as picnics or other terms involving racial slurs against Black people."

This actually isn't true. It's just an urban legend. But I agree with some of the other stuff

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2021, 10:31:55 pm »
https://twitter.com/petersavodnik/status/1414709032263192582?s=19
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It's odd that people who say they believe in progress hate space travel.

It is very odd indeed. The answer is that they are not progressives, but True Leftists in the making.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2021, 10:37:19 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xa12sv7AUg

As usual, TYT (who proudly and accurately call themselves progressives) reveal their False Leftism.

Firstly, it's not "humanity" who did this, it was Westerners. Everything they describe is a consequence of Western civilization exclusively.

Secondly, long before "the scientists" predicted it, it was already utterly in-your-face obvious to anyone not Westernized. History looking back at our era should be praising all the non-Western civilizations (which would never have created these problems in the first place) long before praising Western scientists who at most had the meagre ability to see what they had done after already doing it (was it not also Western scientists who enabled the Industrial Revolution in the first place?).

Thirdly, the solution is not more advanced machines! TYT correctly identifies the (exclusively Western) belief in the desirability of infinite growth as the source of the problems we currently face, but by proposing more machines as the solution are practicing the exact same (exclusively Western) belief - only transferred to technology rather than economy: the problems created by today's machines can be solved with tomorrow's more advanced machines. False Leftists just are incapable of accepting that the problems created by Western civilization can never be solved by appeal to a different facet of Western civilization, but only by radical rejection of Western civilization in its entirety.

Laslty, success is not defined by achieving sustainability! If you bother to just think about it for a moment, sustainability itself is nothing but yet another type of infinite growth, but merely along the time axis FFS! TYT is so intellectually Western they don't even realize how Western they are.....
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2021, 12:06:27 pm »
This is the top comment to the video posted above which I found to be an interesting point:

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LightFangX
13 hours ago
*slow claps*
Well done humanity. Instead of putting the smartest people in charge you put the most greedy people in charge.

Firstly, "smartness" does not necessarily equate a person being devoid of "greed". A smart person can still be very greedy. Secondly, who was it that voted these greedy people into office time and time again in Western governments? That's right, the majority under a democracy did! What does that say about the majority of people in any given Western country? What does that say about democracy over-all? Is it possible that greedy people love democracy because they know the majority of people will vote them in to office time and time again?

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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2021, 07:34:01 pm »
Worth a listen at the least:

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4 False Beliefs that Society is Built On - Dr. Bruce Lipton
Dr. Bruce Lipton, PhD is an internationally recognized leader in bridging science and spirit. Stem cell biologist, bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and recipient of the 2009 Goi Peace Award, he has been a guest speaker on hundreds of TV and radio shows, as well as keynote presenter for national and international conferences.

In 1982, Dr. Lipton began examining the principles of quantum physics and how they might be integrated into his understanding of the cell’s information processing systems. He produced breakthrough studies on the cell membrane, which revealed that this outer layer of the cell was an organic homologue of a computer chip, the cell’s equivalent of a brain. His research at Stanford University’s School of Medicine, between 1987 and 1992, revealed that the environment, operating though the membrane, controlled the behavior and physiology of the cell, turning genes on and off. His discoveries, which ran counter to the established scientific view that life is controlled by the genes, presaged one of today’s most important fields of study, the science of epigenetics. Two major scientific publications derived from these studies defined the molecular pathways connecting the mind and body. Many subsequent papers by other researchers have since validated his concepts and ideas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM5w3EjikdA

From our perspective:

1. Universalism is greater than Materialism. Materialism leads to competition instead of unity.
2. Genetics are half the story, blood-memory is the other half of the story.
3. Evolution is based upon selective pressure, blood-memory effects evolution.
4. Competition in evolution is what leads to materialism and anthropocentricism, both of which are evil and dangerous.

See also:  https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/truth-knowledge/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/consciousness-cannot-have-evolved/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
                 https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

Blood-Memory:




To truly understand what's going on inside of you in an honest attempt to Know Thyself you're going to have to get past your ego, which can be very difficult for most, especially Westerners!

Hint: Anthropocentricism = Ego!



To be a good Westerner you will need: more money, more power, more knowledge, more control, more understanding, more technology, more culture, more muscle, more friends, more houses, more cars, more jewellery, more decorations, more fans, more support, more love, more acceptance, more fame, more education, more, more, and more, etc.... Until one day you have SO MUCH material item's in your possession you finally feel fulfilled, right? THAT is the Western way in a nutshell!




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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2021, 04:23:00 am »
While I am grateful to False Leftists at least trying to make the case that Afghan refugees should be accepted by NATO countries, it is at the same time frustrating to observe that they cannot seem to do so without portraying the Taliban negatively. There is nothing stopping from simply arguing that some people like the Taliban and other people dislike it, therefore those who dislike it should not have to pay taxes to it. Instead they are talking like the Taliban is some kind of supervillain group.

Worse, I have even seen some False Leftists call the Taliban "far-right". WTF? Rightism = defence of Western civilization. Since when has the Taliban been promoters of Western classical music FFS?! What the False Leftists really mean, of course, is that the Taliban is not progressive. In their minds, leftism = progressivism and rightism = anything else.

Actually, leftism = attack on Western civilization. And progressivism itself is a Western idea. You cannot truly attack Western civilization without also attacking progressivism. This is why progressives are False Leftists: they merely attack some parts of Western civilization (e.g. "white" supremacism) using other parts (e.g. human "rights") which end up being defended). The Taliban are not ideologically polished by our standards, but at least when they attack a given aspect Western civilization, they don't use a different aspect of Western civilization to do so.
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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2021, 02:10:19 pm »
The reason why they don't like the Taliban is because of how they treat women and gay people, which is understandable. The Taliban are more "traditional" than most American right wingers, so it makes sense to dislike the Taliban if you don't like right wingers to begin with. The Taliban aren't racist, but they still fall into the other trappings that make it hard to defend them against the West
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2021, 05:17:56 pm »
Islam itself is traditionalist lest we forget. Let's also not forget comparisons such as these:

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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2021, 10:05:27 pm »
"The Taliban are more "traditional" than most American right wingers, so it makes sense to dislike the Taliban if you don't like right wingers to begin with."

The difference is that the tradition of right-wingers occupying the US (please do not call them "Americans"):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/

is Western tradition, whereas the tradition of the Taliban is a non-Western tradition. So the only people for whom it makes sense to dislike the Taliban for the same reason that they dislike right-wingers are progressives. Hence the need to more clearly distinguish between progressives and anti-Westerners. For one thing, it is only Western tradition which leads to:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/

The problem is that progressives support this ****!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/msg4831/#msg4831

(This is not to say that we cannot criticize the Taliban (or other non-Western traditions), but our criticism should be from a non-progressive stance: we should first agree that we should to look to the past for inspiration (thereby already setting ourselves apart from False Leftists who accuse the Taliban of "backwardness" etc.), but then accuse them of misinterpreting what the past was like, and offering a better interpretation.)

"make it hard to defend them against the West"

I was recently demonstrating how to do so:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg7599/#msg7599

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(Rightists who claim that Islam etc. also requires women to dress differently than men completely miss the point, which is that Islamic dress codes try to reduce women's visible sexual dimorphism as opposed to Western dress codes which try to increase women's visible sexual dimorphism. It is incredible that I even need to explain this.....)

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/msg7717/#msg7717

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"those dress codes reduce the visual sexual dimorphism of women without simultaneously reducing the visual sexual dimorphism of men to the same degree."

This is a valid criticism and one which I have raised myself in the past. Why should women do more work than men in dressing up? They should not. But the point here is that Western dress also requires women to do more work than men in dressing up, yet this extra work is done by women in order to increase their visible sexual dimorphism! Thus both Western and Islamic dress codes (sadly) require women to do more work, but for opposite objectives, and comparing only the objectives allows us to conclude that Islamic dress code is at least trying to aim in a good direction (albeit with much room for improvement).

Basically, Westerners are more voyeuristic. (Especially the French.)
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2021, 11:33:05 pm »
Rightists continue to fail at understanding the difference between progressivism and wokeness:

https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2021/10/residential-schools-were-woke-idea.html

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The current debate over Canadian residential schools for native children has avoided analyzing the real reason why they were started in 1876 and lasted until 1947.

That’s because the idea was shaped by the woke belief nurture (Western schooling) would overcome nature (Native biology). Our Victorian ancestors thought if you took the natives out of their remote communities and taught them how to read and write it would lift up those communities, and the entire native culture, to Western standards.

This is progressivism, not wokeness. Progressivism is pro-Western. Wokeness is anti-Western. The intention to create more Westerners from prior non-Westerners via compulsory schooling is a pro-Western intention.

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At the time, native kids had no running water, no toilet facilities, no clean clothes, no education and little or no hope for a better future.

Because to our enemies, this is not running water:



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The guilt for all this rests squarely on the shoulders of 19th Century progressives, the woke of their day. For woke leftists today to blame the churches for failures to administer their own ideas, is irony at its finest. This was a progressive failure from start to finish.

Progressives were not the woke of the 19th century. The woke of the 19th century were the Romantics, who were both anti-progressive and anti-colonialist:

https://eprints.utas.edu.au/10817/2/WHOLE_-kUNDA.pdf

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It is not commonly remarked that over a span of more than forty years the Surrealists published anti-colonial tracts and staunch criticism of the West, but it is routinely observed that in their collections, exhibitions and artwork they included objects and referred to the cosmologies of non-Western cultures.
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In her reading of the Manifesto, Taoua imputes the presence of Rousseau’s noble savage, an idea, she says, that ‘undergirds Breton’s social criticism, which values the native instincts in human beings which are ostensibly corrupted by education and the alienating experience of acculturation into the French middle class.’74
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‘In contrast to these discourses that explicitly or implicitly upheld the superiority of European society,’ she writes, ‘the Surrealists glorified non-Western cultures through emphasising the potential of the non-rational to ‘liberate’ repressive European society.88

https://read.dukeupress.edu/books/book/915/chapter-abstract/144641/Romanticism-and-the-Longing-for-Anticolonial

(Note that while we prefer these lines of thought to those of progressivism, we do not entirely endorse their lines of argument either.)
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