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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2021, 10:17:38 pm »
This is what False Leftists care about:

https://www.nola.com/news/article_f0e99ed4-336d-11ec-b9f7-7f40a1cf5396.html

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New Orleans-built rocket set for test to send first woman and person of color to moon

In contrast, True Leftists want to eradicate the very idea of space travel, which would not have existed in the first place in absence of Western civilization. Some ignorant False Leftists claim that desire for space travel is a general "human" desire in reaction to possessing the machines that enable it, and thus is not exclusively Western; this can be disproven by showing that Westerners desired space travel long before they were able to build the machines needed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_travel_in_science_fiction

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Early works of science fiction, called "proto SF", such as novels by 17th century writers Francis Godwin and Cyrano de Bergerac, or astronomer Johannes Kepler, include "lunar romances", where much of the action takes place on the Moon.[4]
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From the late 19th and early 20th centuries onward there was a visible distinction between more "realistic" and scientific fiction (which later would evolve into hard sf[8]), whose writers, often scientists like Konstantin Tsiolkovsky and Max Valier, focused on the more plausible concept of interplanetary travel (to the Moon or Mars), whereas the more grandiose but less grounded in realism were the stories of "escape from Earth into a Universe filled with worlds", which gave rise the genre of space opera, pioneered by E. E. Smith
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On the screen the French movie 1902 A Trip to the Moon, by Georges Méliès, also described as the first science fiction film, linked special effects to the depictions of spaceflight.[5]: 744 [10] Together with other early movies such as Woman in the Moon (1929), Thing to Come (1936) they contributed to the early recognition of the concept of the rocket as the iconic and primary means of space travel, decades before the space program begun in earnest.[5]: 744  Later milestones in film and television include the Star Trek series and movies, and the 2001: A Space Odyssey film by Stanley Kubrick (1968), which visually advanced the concept of space travel, allowing it to evolve away from the simplistic rocket towards that of a more complex space ship.[5]: 744 

False Leftists are nothing but Westerners who want to give "whites" less credit for Western civilization, and who thus want to reframe Western ideas as general "human progress" that they delusionally claim would have happened sooner or later anyway (with or without Western civilization).

True Leftists have no problem with giving all due credit to "whites" (including Jews) for Western civilization because this only strengthens our case against them!

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2021, 09:06:06 pm »
In response to global warming, we already know that the most guaranteed effective countermeasures are drastic population reduction and de-industrialization. But instead of pursuing these objectives, Westerners have been trying to solve the problem by introducing yet more machines, whether they be electric cars, nuclear fusion reactors, or anything else tries to let us maintain the industrial lifestyle while averting the consequences, and also averting any need to consider that our own desires are the problem. Here is the latest and perhaps most obvious example yet of the Western approach to problem-solving:

https://futurism.com/the-byte/amazon-geoengineering-research

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A billionaire researching plans to dim the Sun might seem like the plot of a famous “The Simpsons” episode — but that’s exactly what Jeff Bezos seems to be doing.

Bezos’ megaretailer Amazon has partnered with the National Center for Atmospheric Research and the geoengineering nonprofit SilverLining to help create models that show what exactly would happen if we blocked out some of the Sun’s rays, Gizmodo reports.

More specifically, the company is donating its powerful computer processors to help model 30 different simulations of Earth’s future climate. In one of those simulated worlds, humans have artificially injected aerosols into the atmosphere to dim sunlight — drastically cooling down the planet in the process.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2021, 10:29:32 pm »
Jeff: Oh snap that flame-thrower in the living room was a bad idea Elon, the house is on fire!!!
Elon: Should I turn it off Jeff!?
Jeff: Nah! Just turn off the lights and open the freezer door we'll be good!

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But lately I cannot help but wonder how did these people get to be this specifically stupid!? I mean, most of them aren't even living in reality at this point!?

Savitri Devi wrote something about how literate/educated societies are counterintuitively more receptive to mass propaganda, since, in their hubris, they believe they are too smart to be affected by it.

False Leftists just need to see an infographic or random news article quote from an "expert" they've never heard of, and boom, they have been just as easily herded as any rightist. No need for fact checking or rational thinking. They commit all the irrational follies they observe rightists committing; they just place their trust in different sources.

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Also, here's what I was mentioning before:

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Long-time nuclear waste warning messages are intended to deter human intrusion at nuclear waste repositories in the far future, within or above the order of magnitude of 10,000 years. Nuclear semiotics is an interdisciplinary field of research, first done by the Human Interference Task Force in 1981.

A 1993 report from Sandia National Laboratories recommended that such messages be constructed at several levels of complexity. They suggested that the sites should include foreboding physical features which would immediately convey to future visitors that the site was both man-made and dangerous, as well as providing pictographic information attempting to convey some details of the danger, and written explanations for those able to read it.
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The Waste Isolation Pilot Plant has done extensive research in development of written or pictorial messages to warn future generations. Since today's written languages are unlikely to survive,[2] the research team has considered pictograms and hostile architecture in addition to them.[1] Texts were proposed to be translated to every UN written language. In 1994, Level II, III, and IV messages in English were translated into French, Spanish, Chinese, Arabic, Russian, and Navajo, with plans to continue testing and revision of the original English text and subsequent eventual translation into further languages.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-time_nuclear_waste_warning_messages

We don't need that for carbon dioxide because trees literally use carbon dioxide as food--using it to grow their wood and make sugar/starch (which nearly all life forms use as food)... We don't even need that for other potent greenhouse gases like methane either.


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Yeah that's actually a major issue with nuclear waste.

And my (and many others) biggest issue with nuclear power. We haven't actually solved the waste issue. Our best idea is bury it, hope it doesn't leak, and hope the civilization 1000-10,000 years from now doesn't stumble on it unawares. That last problem illustrates just how unsolved these issues are. As we don't actually have a means of conveying danger reliably to a future society. All the proposed solutions, have major flaws. Case in point: Illustrations won't work because a skull and crossbones might mean death to us, but could be a symbol of their god, or a comic strip style showing someone getting sick and dying could easily be read backwards and inadvertently show someone becoming healthy.

And that's just the holes in our plan for what we should do to protect people 10,000 years from now. Our plans for protecting people today are just as flawed. Especially since we already have so much nuclear waste permanently stored in temporary storage facilities that every square inch of future storage facilities is already spoken for 2x over. Because only a handful of places on the globe have the conditions to store it long term. And even then many of those risk leaks into ground water etc.

Oh yeah, and there's the glaring issue that we don't actually know with certainty that whatever structures we build to store it will even be able to survive the millenia until the radioactivity has gone down to safe levels. And with them shoved 200ft below the surface it would be years before we even knew something was wrong, at which point it would be too late.

One barrel per year per reactor is extremely small. We could store all of it for safely thousands of years in a single facility (like the one in Nevada).

It's a political issue - not an engineering or environmental issue.

In a couple hundred years, we'll likely have the technology to recycle it anyway.

The problem with the facility in Nevada is that the groundwater is percolating through the fractures in the tuff much, much faster that modeled. They’re seeing isotopes from the nuclear testing in the 40s and 50s in the groundwater adjacent to the facility, which the groundwater is connected to flows that exit the area to the southeast, that are populated. That, and due to the plutonium having close to a 2 million year half-life, the EPA wants a stable facility capable of being nonpollutive for 1 million years. The failed rift zone by the Baja has the potential also to reactivate the currently inactive/extinct volcanoes in the area as well. There are definitely some scientific and environmental concerns.
https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/rcktxo/til_the_us_strategic_petroleum_reserves_are/hnw341x/

Western governments can't even do basic things like shelter homeless people (despite more than enough vacant housing to house all of them), etc. Hell, they can't even plan beyond a single election cycle for massive, unignorable problems (e.g. global warming, overpopulation)! Why would anyone think they are competent enough to STORE DEADLY WASTE FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS? (Especially given all of the hundreds of nuclear accidents that have happened so far?) Assuming the quotation above is accurate, the "simple" and "fool-proof" Western plans to contain nuclear waste have already failed and polluted the groundwater...

People criticized Trump for his "magical thinking" of believing he could just will things into existence. That's literally what "progressives" are doing when they take for granted that "although we are doomed with current rates of pollution and resource use, _surely_ people in the future will invent something to fix all this, so don't worry!"

Insanity.


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A cornucopian is a futurist who believes that continued progress and provision of material items for mankind can be met by similarly continued advances in technology. Fundamentally they believe that there are enough matter and energy on the Earth to provide for the population of the world.

Looking further into the future, they posit that the abundance of matter and energy in space would appear to give humanity almost unlimited room for growth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornucopian

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According to Malthusian theory, the size and growth of the population depend on the food supply and agricultural methods. In Boserup's theory, agricultural methods depend on the size of the population. In the Malthusian view, when food is not sufficient for everyone, the excess population will die. However, Boserup argued that in those times of pressure, people will find ways to increase the production of food by increasing workforce, machinery, fertilizers, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ester_Boserup#Scholarly_contributions

Thinking future generations can just magic their way out of a problem so we don't have to deal with it today is just insanity. Even in (authentically) conservative societies they understand that they have a responsibility to ensure future generations are not overburdened by problems created during our lifetimes, because the conservative fears this will eventually disrupt the continuity of their traditions.

But False Left "progressives"... Unless I'm just being uncharitable here, it seems they care even less about the welfare of future generations than (authentic) conservatives.

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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2021, 11:47:51 pm »
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What if they are like him!?

Why We Should NOT Look For Aliens - The Dark Forest
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The Universe is incredibly big and seems full of potential for life, with billions of habitable planets. If an advanced civilization had the technology to travel between the stars, at just 0.1% of the speed of light, It could colonize our galaxy in roughly 100 million years. Which is not that long given the billions of years the milky way has existed – so in principle any spacefaring civilization should be able to spread rapidly over huge sectors of the galaxy. And yet we see nothing, hear nothing, the universe seems empty. Devoid of others. This is the Fermi Paradox, which we have discussed in more detail in other videos.

Confronted with the seemingly empty universe, humanity faces a dilemma. We desperately want to know if we are alone in the Milky Way. We want to call out and reveal ourselves to anyone watching but that could be the last thing we ever do. Because maybe the universe is not empty. Maybe it’s full of civilizations but they are hiding from each other. Maybe the civilizations that attracted attention in the past were wiped away by invisible arrows. This is the Dark Forest solution to the Fermi paradox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUJYP8tnRE

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2022, 11:57:49 pm »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/decision-invade-ukraine-raises-questions-185646957.html

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Vladimir Ashurkov, a close aide of Alexei Navalny, Putin’s most prominent opponent who is now in a penal colony, described Monday’s rambling speech by the Russian president about Ukraine as “really bizarre”.

“It’s unprecedented in the rhetoric of world leaders, but also for Russia. It’s quite strange,” said Ashurkov, who is executive director of Navalny Anti-Corruption Foundation, and lives in exile.

“Why would you spend so much time, you know, looking back into the past, when we now live in the 21st century? We should be looking into the future.
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“I think he’s in some sort of self-induced concept of reality that is very revanchist, based in the past, and in the trauma of the dissolution of Soviet Union,”
he said.

Well, Putin is connecting himself to the past, and he is also currently running circles around the False Left politicians who are not. So instead of complaining about Putin's connection to the past, we should be replacing False Left politicians with True Left politicians who understand that a rightist connected to the past can only be defeated by a leftist connected to the past.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2022, 09:27:36 pm »
The worst of False Leftism:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-black-and-asian-people-do-not-resent-e2-80-98western-achievements-e2-80-99-we-made-them-possible/ar-AAWwIZx

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No, Black and Asian people do not resent ‘Western achievements.’ We made them possible.

Those who do resent Western achievements, such as ourselves, would never call ourselves "black" or "Asian" (Western terms) in the first place.

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Why would we resent something that we have contributed significantly to?

Because we we were forced to contribute to it?

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Historically, the U.S. has relied heavily on the labor of people of color and immigrants for its economy. Enslaved Black people were responsible for the growth of America’s economy in the 19th century. Slavery has been called the economic engine of the South, which at one point was the source of the majority of cotton used in Britain, France and Russia. By the start of the Civil War, the South was profiting handsomely from the labor of enslaved Black people.

Are you arguing that we should not resent slavery just because slavery ended up contributing to the economy of a civilization that added a lot of machines to the world?

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Around the same time as the war, in the early to mid-1860s, the Central Pacific Railroad was recruiting Chinese laborers to work on the country’s first transcontinental railroad after an insufficient number of white workers responded to its ads. Doing extremely dangerous and exhausting work while being paid less than their white counterparts, these estimated 15,000 to 20,000 Chinese migrants were essential to what has been described as “one of the most ambitious American engineering enterprises at the time” — despite the lack of recognition they receive even to this day.

Are you arguing that we should not resent being unfairly paid for dangerous work, again just because this ended up contributing to the economy of a civilization that added a lot of machines to the world? (What happened to rail travel in the US, by the way? It was soon sidelined by newer modes of transport such as cars and planes. This is how Western civilization ultimately repaid the railroad labourers. Should we not resent this?)

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The man behind Zoom, the video conferencing platform that most of us have depended on to work from home during the pandemic, is Eric Yuan, an Asian man who immigrated to the U.S. from China in 1997. Baiju Bhatt, an Indian American entrepreneur, is one of the co-founders and the chief creative officer of Robinhood, the commission-free trading app that has made investing in and trading stocks and other financial assets more accessible to the masses and has been valued at $32 billion. As its name suggests, Beats by Dr. Dre, which Apple acquired in 2014 for a record $3 billion and is one of the most recognizable headphone brands on the market, was created by Dr. Dre — a Black American rapper, producer and entrepreneur from Compton, California — with business partner Jimmy Iovine.

Many more such examples exist of both Asian Americans — who “drive Silicon Valley innovation,” according to a 2016 Nikkei Asia article — and Black Americans, who have succeeded despite the lack of support from Silicon Valley investors.

These particular individuals probably do not resent Western civilization, but only because they have personally profited from it. Are you arguing, therefore, that personal profit should be considered more important than ethical principles?

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In this day and age, when the global community is so interconnected and constantly collaborating, the term “Western achievements” feels outdated. The East-West divide that Wax’s rhetoric perpetuates is unnecessary and dangerous, as it could enforce stereotypes about differences that are not accurate and fan the flames of xenophobia.

No, I welcome Wax's use of the term "Western achievements". I only disagree with Wax in that I would prefer Western achievements to never have occurred. Both Wax and I would argue that if the same individuals behind Zoom, Robinhood, etc. had been born in an alternate world in which Western civilization had never existed, they would not have come up with Zoom, Robinhood, etc.. The difference is that I would prefer the alternate world to have been our reality. In practice, this means I want to destroy Western civilization so that the rest of us can return to a lifestyle more like what we had before the colonial era.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2022, 08:54:52 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/modern-world-cant-exist-without-100035723.html

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The Modern World Can't Exist Without These Four Ingredients. They All Require Fossil Fuels

The modern world was never meant to exist.

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Modern societies would be impossible without mass-scale production of many man-made materials. We could have an affluent civilization that provides plenty of food, material comforts, and access to good education and health care without any microchips or personal computers: we had one until the 1970s, and we managed, until the 1990s, to expand economies, build requisite infrastructures and connect the world by jetliners without any smartphones and social media. But we could not enjoy our quality of life without the provision of many materials required to embody the myriad of our inventions.

Before we get into the main discussion, compulsory schooling is not "good education". And jetliners should never have existed either.

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Four materials rank highest on the scale of necessity, forming what I have called the four pillars of modern civilization: cement, steel, plastics, and ammonia are needed in larger quantities than are other essential inputs. The world now produces annually about 4.5 billion tons of cement, 1.8 billion tons of steel, nearly 400 million tons of plastics, and 180 million tons of ammonia. But it is ammonia that deserves the top position as our most important material: its synthesis is the basis of all nitrogen fertilizers, and without their applications it would be impossible to feed, at current levels, nearly half of today’s nearly 8 billion people.

The planet should never have been populated by anywhere near 4 billion (let alone 8 billion) humans. Ammonia is the culprit!

Guess which civilization introduced ammonia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia

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Gaseous ammonia was first isolated by Joseph Black in 1756 by reacting sal ammoniac (ammonium chloride) with calcined magnesia (magnesium oxide).[49][50] It was isolated again by Peter Woulfe in 1767,[51][52] by Carl Wilhelm Scheele in 1770[53] and by Joseph Priestley in 1773 and was termed by him "alkaline air".[20][54] Eleven years later in 1785, Claude Louis Berthollet ascertained its composition.[55][20]
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Ammonia even at dilute concentrations is highly toxic to aquatic animals, and for this reason it is classified as dangerous for the environment.

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This dependence easily justifies calling ammonia synthesis the most momentous technical advance in history: other inventions provide our comforts, convenience or wealth or prolong our lives—but without the synthesis of ammonia, we could not ensure the very survival of billions of people alive today and yet to be born.

Of course we can. Just stop using crops to raise meat/egg/milk/etc. animals and the surplus will more than offset the loss from not using ammonia.

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Plastics are a large group of synthetic organic materials whose common quality is that they can be molded into desired shapes—and they are now everywhere. As I type this, the keys of my Dell laptop and a wireless mouse under my right palm are made of acrylonitrile butadiene styrene, I sit on a swivel chair upholstered in a polyester fabric, and its nylon wheels rest on a polycarbonate carpet protection mat that covers a polyester carpet. But plastics are now most indispensable in health care in general and in hospitals in particular. Life now begins (in maternity wards) and ends (in intensive care units) surrounded by plastic items made above all from different kinds of PVC: flexible tubes (for feeding patients, delivering oxygen, and monitoring blood pressure), catheters, intravenous containers, blood bags, sterile packaging, trays and basins, bedpans and bed rails, thermal blankets.

Not to mention:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg12279/#msg12279

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg12544/#msg12544

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Steel’s strength, durability, and versatility determines the look of modern civilization and enables its most fundamental functions. This is the most widely used metal and it forms countless visible and invisible critical components of modern civilization, from skyscrapers to scalpels. Moreover, nearly all other metallic and non-metallic products we use have been extracted, processed, shaped, finished, and distributed with tools and machines made of steel, and no mode of today’s mass transportation could function without steel. The average car contains about 900 kilograms of steel and before Covid-19 struck the world was making nearly 100 million vehicles a year.

Cars should never have existed either.

As for skyscrapers:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg39/#msg39

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    According to FLAP, between one and nine million birds die each year in the city from hitting skyscrapers due to mistaking reflective windows for open sky, or being drawn to lights at night.[1]

    According to a 2014 article in the ornithological journal Condor, an estimated 365 million to 988 million birds die each year by colliding into buildings in the United States.[2]

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Cement is, of course, the key component of concrete: combined with sand, gravel and water it makes the most massively deployed material. Modern cities are embodiments of concrete, as are bridges, tunnels, roads, dams, runways and ports.

We do not need to build any more. We should be gradually abandoning more and more buildings along with reducing population.

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And these four materials, so unlike in their properties and qualities, share three common traits: they are not readily replaceable by other materials (certainly not in the near future or on a global scale); we will need much more of them in the future; and their mass-scale production depends heavily on the combustion of fossil fuels, making them major sources of greenhouse gas emissions. Organic fertilizers cannot replace synthetic ammonia: their low nitrogen content and their worldwide mass are not enough even if all manures and crop residues were recycled. No other materials offer such advantages for many lightweight yet durable uses as plastics. No other metal is as affordably strong as steel. No other mass-produced material is as suitable for building strong infrastructure as concrete (often reinforced with steel).

The correct answer is to reduce population and thus reduce demand.

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Moreover, the unfolding transition to renewable energies will demand huge amounts of steel, concrete and plastics. No structures are more obvious symbols of “green” electricity generation than large wind turbines—but their foundations are reinforced concrete, their towers, nacelles, and rotors are steel, and their massive blades are energy-intensive—and difficult to recycle—plastic resins, and all of these giant parts must be brought to the installation sites by outsized trucks (or ships) and erected by large steel cranes, and turbine gearboxes must be repeatedly lubricated with oil. These turbines would generate truly green electricity only if all of these materials were made without any fossil fuels.

With a reduced population, fewer additional turbines will need to be built. Heck, reduce population enough and existing turbines might already be enough!

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And beyond these four material pillars new and highly energy-intensive material dependencies are emerging and electric cars are their best example A typical lithium car battery weighing about 450 kilograms contains about 11 kilograms of lithium, nearly 14 kilograms of cobalt, 27 kilograms of nickel, more than 40 kilograms of copper, and 50 kilograms of graphite—as well as about 181 kilograms of steel, aluminum, and plastics. Supplying these materials for a single vehicle requires processing about 40 tons of ores, and given the low concentration of many elements in their ores it necessitates extracting and processing about 225 tons of raw materials. And aggressive electrification of road transport would soon require multiplying these needs by tens of millions of units per year!

Lower population means fewer people needing transportation. This is the only correct answer.

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Modern economies will always be tied to massive material flows, whether those of ammonia-based fertilizers to feed the still-growing global population; plastics, steel, and cement needed for new tools, machines, structures, and infrastructures; or new inputs required to produce solar cells, wind turbines, electric cars, and storage batteries. And until all energies used to extract and process these materials come from renewable conversions, modern civilization will remain fundamentally dependent on the fossil fuels used in the production of these indispensable materials. No artificial intelligence designs, no apps, no claims of coming “dematerialization” will change that.

Prohibiting most people from reproducing is all that is needed to change it.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2022, 01:42:35 pm »
"Progressivism" will always be an inferior mindset for leftists, because it prevents leftists from tapping into attitudes and experiences like this:
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I hadn’t really considered the effect of consumerism until my late 30s, which is roughly when I joined the Society for Creative Anachronism (SCA). Being in a medieval reenacting setting meant that I was given the opportunity to value the food I ate, tools I worked with, things I wore, because I was making my own tools/textiles/clothing/jewellery, etc.

It only took me a couple of months to start seeing everything around me through the lens of a craftsperson. I was appreciating the effort behind handcrafts more, and started shunning “disposable” items because there was an enormous portion of my life that those things wouldn’t fit into. And once you’ve made your own stuff, or bought it off another craftsperson, there’s a deeper connection to that item than I’d ever experienced before. I will prefer to use the things I have made sustainably to any plastic item.

Did anyone else have some type of event that triggered their shift to anti-consumption? If so, what was it?
https://old.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/uauh6c/reenacting_helped_me_reduce_my_consumption/

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I definitely got that feeling from learning how to sew, with a focus on sewing historically inspired clothing. Really opened my eyes to how most modern clothing is trash from its very conception. Terrible fabrics, terrible tailoring, and terrible workmanship. I now lean towards thrifted clothes as at least they survived a few washes and there is more variety. Plus I tend towards tighter woven natural fabrics so any repairs I do will last.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/uauh6c/reenacting_helped_me_reduce_my_consumption/i600czi/

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To me, anticonsumption is not just about deciding not to buy things. It's about learning to relate to the physical world differently. You don't have to be a subsistence farmer, but learning skills like how to repair your own clothes or fix your appliances can go a long way.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/uauh6c/reenacting_helped_me_reduce_my_consumption/i6063wt/

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I've had a very similar experience. I haven't started re-enacting, yet. However, getting into the re-enacting scene; learning to make, grow, and reuse items myself; and learning how expensive and inaccessible even a fraction of our level of consumption and waste would have been to people just a hundred years ago is shocking. I have a much deeper respect for the objects I use and what I have access to, but I also respect the ingenuity of the people who came before us. I can't imagine going back to living life the way I used to. It just feels so wasteful.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/uauh6c/reenacting_helped_me_reduce_my_consumption/i614jui/

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2022, 11:53:19 pm »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvB0OoCMXcY

I side with Kasparian this time. Just walk FFS.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2022, 09:02:57 pm »
Vigeland explicitly repudiates one of the pillars of progressivism (from 5:00):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G9DvwaFzKQ

Good, she now understands that fighting is the only way to positive change. Rightists cannot be educated, persuaded or even reasoned with to agree with us, EVER:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/superiority-cannot-be-taught/

We only get concessions from them when we fight them and defeat them, and even then they will only regroup and fight us again to recover their losses. The next question I would ask her is: is fighting rightists over and over again just to hold our gains (or regain them after losing them) how we want to spend the rest of time? If not, then logically the way we should fight rightists is not just to defeat them, but to exterminate them. Not only is fighting our enemies the only way to positive change, but exterminating our enemies is the only way to lasting positive change.

Let's see if she can reach this next stage of conversion to True Leftism.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2022, 01:11:41 am »
False Leftist "counterculture" Boomer wants income equality because it bolsters progressivism:


Compulsory schooling is child abuse.
Highways shouldn't exist because cars shouldn't even exist.
Cutting the poverty rate led to degenerate Westerners consuming more resources than they previously needed and thus more waste (not to mention population growth).
Technology is not always good, especially when machinists are the ones creating it.
Space travel is a nightmare that we are trying to avoid at all costs.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2022, 01:35:45 am »
"False Leftist "counterculture" Boomer"

Does Tiedrich self-identify as belonging to the Counterculture? If so, we should call him out publicly on it.

In any case, you left out the most important part:

https://www.newsunzip.com/wiki/jeff-tiedrich/

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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2022, 08:02:43 am »
@90sRetroFan

If we use Hitler's ideal environment. Then we will see the Afghanistan and all of nations on "Afrika" as the example today. Not the West which oftenly promoted by so-called "the civilized progressives." Hitler not want industrialism activity, only an community of nations full of renewable resources, no more buildings, no morefactories, only environment with meadow, plants, and natural scenery.