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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2022, 05:13:12 pm »
More progressive foolishness:

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62581401

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First Native American woman to travel to space
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Astronaut Nicole Aunapu Mann, of the Wailacki of the Round Valley Indian Tribes, will be mission commander - responsible for all phases of flight.
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"I think it's important that we communicate this to our community, so that other Native kids... realise that some of those barriers that used to be there are really starting to get broken down," she added.

Why would anyone nostalgic for pre-colonial America even want to travel to space? Space travel is something brought to America by the Western occupiers FFS! Why are you adopting their values?

Here is a post to remind of of your history:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/how-did-the-english-colonize-america/msg15273/#msg15273

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Ms Mann says that in her allocated 3.3 lb (1.4kg) for personal items she will take "a dreamcatcher that my mother gave me when I was very young".

Spare us the pathetic prop signalling. If you were truly American you would have turned down the offer to travel to space in the first place, because the very idea of space travel never occurred in pre-colonial America. This is what you should be proud of.

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She has been deployed twice on aircraft carriers supporting combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan

As if we needed more evidence that you are a Westerner, not an American.

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In 2002, John Herrington, an enrolled member of the Chickasaw Nation, was the first Native American man to fly into space. He carried the Nation's flag and a traditional flute on his 13-day voyage.

This whole "let's ostentatiously do uniquely Western activities while carrying pre-colonial trinkets" is as cringeworthy as any behaviour gets.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #46 on: September 05, 2022, 10:02:50 am »
Judeo-leftists criticize Ben Shapiro for mocking diversity in space exploration:


I fully agree with the hosts' perception that Shapiro's conception of the archetypal space explorer is that of "thick necked straight white men". I disagree with the hosts that this archetype should be challenged because it is misrepresentative (it is not), or that it is "fascist" or "ubermensch" in nature.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #47 on: September 05, 2022, 04:42:46 pm »
False Leftists do not understand where "non-white" representation should be encouraged and where it should be discouraged. If they see more "white" than "non-white" firearm owners, they do not (unlike us) tell "non-whites" to buy more firearms. But if they see more "white" than "non-white" astronauts, they (unlike us) tell "non-whites" to become astronauts. Underneath it all, their chief concern is to get "non-whites" behaving in a way that does not cause "whites" to feel threatened. "Non-whites" with firearms will scare "whites", therefore "non-whites" should not have firearms. On the other hand, "non-whites" becoming astronauts will reassure "whites" that "non-whites" are just as capable of perpetuating Western civilization, therefore "non-whites" should become astronauts.

For True Leftists the answer is simple. It should be encouraged where the result is more likely to undermine Western civilization. It should be discouraged where the result is more likely to reinforce Western civilization. This leads us to the opposite conclusions.

"or that it is "fascist" or "ubermensch" in nature."

To clarify, fascists may not associate space exploration with "whiteness", "heterosexuality", etc., but fascists do like the idea of space exploration. Fascists would even argue that fascism is superior to identitarianism because it would recruit space exploration talent from wherever it can be found and thus have a stronger space program than identitarians with their narrower recruiting. This is why we are not fascists.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #48 on: September 05, 2022, 05:08:22 pm »
Indeed, fascists may also argue against ethnocentrism for similar reasons: recruiting across ethnic lines will help cultivate the ideal, sexually dimorphic, "ubermensch" candidate for space exploration.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2022, 01:36:07 am »
Gates will never stop being a progressive:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bill-gates-technological-innovation-help-225859457.html

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Bill Gates: Technological innovation would help solve hunger
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In assigning technology a pre-eminent role in addressing the world’s food crisis, Gates puts himself at odds with critics who say his ideas conflict with worldwide efforts to protect the environment.
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Some researchers question the wisdom of pursuing the fundamental premise that Gates has embraced: Increasing agricultural production through the use of modified seeds along with fertilizers and pesticides.
They point to the environmental footprint of industrial agriculture, including the use of fossil fuel-based fertilizers, the degradation of soil quality and the diminishing of biodiversity.

The only way to solve the food crisis is orderly depopulation via state control over reproduction. In particular, all who think more innovation is the answer to problems created by previous innovation should be immediately prohibited from reproducing.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2022, 11:11:17 pm »
Wakandism is the epitome of False Leftism:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/25/wakanda-forever-importance-black-girl-genius/

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what I was most struck by was how [Black Panther: Wakanda Forever] portrays Black girls and women and technology. It leads us to imagine a world in which Black girls are technological geniuses and the weapons that White men use are, in Gen. Okoye’s words, “so primitive.”

The part in bold is what False Leftism is all about.

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“Black Panther” is a bit of a technological-revenge fantasy. In the movie, the genius inventor is an American Black college student named Riri Williams, a.k.a. “Ironheart” (Dominique Thorne), who is studying at MIT. She develops a crucial piece of technology that everyone wants to get their hands on.
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Shuri, Riri and their respective technological geniuses are the true heroines of “Black Panther.”
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So, what if we lived in a world where Black girls were encouraged to be inventors in science and technology? Or where Black women could protect and benefit from their own creativity and genius?

If we lived in such a world, we would have to eliminate even more bloodlines in order to kill Western civilization.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2022, 06:54:01 pm »
U.S. Tech Workers, a project of the anti-immigrant group Progressives for Immigration Reform (PFIR), has ties to an anti-immigrant hate network and unprecedented access to the Trump administration.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/01/31/workers-organization-shares-staff-cash-anti-immigrant-groups
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The group’s primary function is lobbying. Founded in 2018, they advocate for the curtailment of the H-1B visa program on the basis that employers systematically abuse the program, thereby harming both American and international tech workers.

Other labor-focused organizations, such as the International Labor Recruitment Working Group, have also highlighted the systemic abuses committed by employers who utilize this specific visa program. However, a closer look at the staff and funds of U.S. Tech Workers illuminates its ties to the anti-immigrant movement.


SPLC's Hatewatch Staff collected the information presented in the graph from the following organizations' websites: The Foundation Center, Progressives for Immigration Reform, U.S. Tech Workers, Doctors without Jobs, Center for Progressive Urban Politics, VDARE and the Federation for American Immigration Reform.
One of U.S. Tech Workers’ writers is Joe Guzzardi, a man with ties to the anti-immigrant network founded by white nationalist and eugenicist John Tanton. Guzzardi serves on the national board of advisors for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), an anti-immigrant hate group Tanton started in 1979. In addition to serving as a FAIR national board advisor, Guzzardi is a writer and analyst at PFIR. PFIR began in 2009, with founders contending that blocking immigrants from coming into the U.S. protects the environment because immigrants are to blame for urban sprawl, traffic congestion and other issues.

Prior to his current roles, Guzzardi directed media relations at Californians for Population Stabilization (CAPS), a state-level anti-immigrant hate group founded by white nationalist Garrett Hardin, for nearly a decade. From 2001 to 2010, Guzzardi authored approximately 738 blogs for VDARE, a white nationalist hate website founded by Peter Brimelow.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2022, 09:19:58 pm »
Continuing from:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/elon-musk/msg16916/#msg16916

progressive commenters defend Musk using typical progressive reasoning:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-musk-neuralink-faces-federal-221949094.html

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did anyone think that a brain implant would be approved without animal testing?

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As much as it may feel heartless I would prefer there being a phase of animal testing on most scientific things that will alter a person from medicine to technology before moving to humans, whats the alternative?

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So you'd rather go right to human testing? Or skip human testing and just put out a product (which is just large scale human testing)? Get a clue, live in the real world for a while

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Should we just implant electrical devices in paralyzed humans and 'see what it does'?

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Animals have always been used for testing, there is often no other way without using humans.

In short, don't even consider the anti-progressive possibility of (*gasp!*) not developing the new machine in the first place. The only choices are: 1) progress without animal testing; or 2) progress with animal testing.

The following potentially leftist commenter is deeply confused:

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2022 and we’re still testing on animals and eating food from factory farms. Sure seems like society is going in the wrong direction

"Still"?! It was in pre-modern times when we weren't testing on animals or eating from factory ranches (both of which came from post-Renaissance Western civilization). Yes, society is going in the wrong direction, but the correct direction is backwards!

At least some Musk fans realize that it is leftists (as opposed to progressives) who dislike Musk:

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Well, folks, here they come! Now we're seeing the full court press on Musk from the left.

so hopefully more people will learn the difference between leftism and progressivism.
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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2022, 01:05:08 am »
@90sRetroFan This breed of false leftist is actually even worse than your comment implies. These kinds of people who circlejerk about how how great scientific progress is could very easily start promoting yet another option that we haven't mentioned yet: testing on confirmed human criminals. But they don't. Why? Because they're so disgustingly anthropocentric that testing on any human, even the worst of them, is considered "barbaric" and an atrocity, yet it's totally fine to test on a non-human who has done no wrong besides being born as the wrong species. And trying to get these people to see their humanist hypocrisy will get you nowhere. 9 times out of 10, they'll just start harping on endlessly about "human rights", failing to see the bigger picture
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Re: Western Civilization is UGLY
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2023, 09:33:44 pm »
https://twitter.com/BlackSh20965850/status/1609284671476473860?s=20&t=AaypLzGpX8bR_MkhiXOHyQ
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I completely agree that this is what False Leftists think. Only by acknowledging the bottom picture as superior will we be able to decolonize.
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2023, 01:51:05 am »
Westerners don't know how to talk, make empathic and ethical communication, because they consider that emotions and feelings are "not rational". If we consider emotions and feelings irrational, how can we know people's suffering...

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Re: Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2023, 01:58:56 am »
"Animal" is not an acceptable True Left insult, even for use as an example. It might cause the listener to think you are an anthropocentrist. Please choose a more suitable example insult next time.

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Re: Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2023, 02:10:13 am »
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If we consider emotions and feelings irrational, how can we know people's suffering...

What about imagination?

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What Is Cognitive Empathy?

Cognitive empathy means that you can understand another person's perspective. It is also referred to as perspective-taking or putting yourself in someone else's shoes.2 In essence, you can imagine what it might be like to be that person in their situation, giving you a better understanding of their experience.
https://www.verywellmind.com/cognitive-and-emotional-empathy-4582389

Do I really need to feel the emotional suffering (emotional empathy) of someone who has been wrongfully brutalized to be able to imagine how terrible they must feel, or can I use my imagination and put myself in their position?

Question: Personally, I have been angry for well over 20 years now, would I be able to attain new customers for my business if I were constantly expressing my anger, especially to strangers, and in public every opportunity I get? Sure, I could go homeless and live off a freegan diet, but how would I have ended up here had I done so? Do you really need someone to physically show you their suffering before you can empathize with them?

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Re: Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2023, 02:27:08 am »
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What about imagination?

Westerner's glorification of empiricism prevent them to agree with you, they are retard

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Do I really need to feel the emotional suffering (emotional empathy) of someone who has been wrongfully brutalized to be able to imagine how terrible they must feel, or can I use my imagination and put myself in their position?

Imagination can make us know sufferings without experience it first which need sufferings happen, therefore Plato and Mohammed's rationalism which you propose is superior rather than Aristotle's empirical theory. But westerners are retard.

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Re: Leftists against progressivism
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2023, 09:04:25 pm »
Rightists beome aware of True Leftism:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/left-now-demonic-aim-ordinary-120000170.html

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The Left now has a demonic new aim: to make ordinary people poorer

There is nothing demonic about it, quite the contrary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty#Spirituality

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Among some individuals, poverty is considered a necessary or desirable condition, which must be embraced to reach certain spiritual, moral, or intellectual states. Poverty is often understood to be an essential element of renunciation in religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism (only for monks, not for lay persons) and Jainism, whilst in Christianity, in particular Roman Catholicism, it is one of the evangelical counsels. The main aim of giving up things of the materialistic world is to withdraw oneself from sensual pleasures (as they are considered illusionary and only temporary in some religions—such as the concept of dunya in Islam).

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We are living through the most startling political realignment in more than 100 years. Never since the advent of modern socialism in the early 20th century has the Left openly advocated making ordinary people poorer, thereby leaving those on the Right to defend the spread of mass prosperity.

Yes:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg4254/#msg4254

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_poverty_and_wealth

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    Perrotta points out that material wealth is highly valued in the Old Testament; the Hebrews seek it and God promises to bless them with it if they will follow his commandments.[12] Joseph Francis Kelly writes that biblical writers leave no doubt that God enabled men such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Solomon to achieve wealth and that this wealth was a sign of divine favor.
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    Jesus explicitly condemns excessive love of wealth as an intrinsic evil in various passages in the Gospels, especially in Luke (Luke 16:10–15 being an especially clear example). He also consistently warns of the danger of riches as a hindrance to favor with God

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Where organised protest movements in the past have been inspired by the idea that the masses were too poor, now they promote the idea that most ordinary people are too rich.

False Leftism is fading and True Leftism is dawning.

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everyone accepted the underlying assumption that it was desirable for as many people as possible to become progressively better off.

Not us! We were never progressives!

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Until very recently, there was no respectable voice calling for an end to the spread of prosperity to the developing world, as well as in the advanced nations.

Regressivism has very recently entered the discourse!

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Now it is not just the juvenile Left making this extraordinary demand. Politicians of the centre-Right who had adopted pretty much wholesale the doctrine of social justice – which is to say, everybody having an equal chance for economic self-determination and a materially comfortable life – find themselves having to justify penalising ordinary people for heating their homes or for travelling beyond their own neighbourhoods.

Prior to the colonial era, most people did not travel beyond their neighbourhoods:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/msg15224/#msg15224

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/anti-gentrification/msg15225/#msg15225

and certainly did not use central heating:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/msg10221/#msg10221

The pre-colonial lifestyle is what we want to get the world back to.

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Of course, the Industrial Revolution will not go down without a fight.

See you on the battlefield.

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the eco-Left’s next project. That is to abolish animal farming, which has been a civilising feature of human society for much longer. The devastation that such a ban would create on rural life would rank with the Enclosures Act as a social and economic cataclysm.

Yes, after de-Westernization comes de-Turanization:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/farming-vs-ranching/

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In the 18th century many of those earlier displaced farming people – the ones who did not simply perish – could be absorbed into the emerging new industries, thereby creating the proletariat on which Marx founded his revolutionary ideology. What would happen to the new legions of former dairy, sheep and pig farmers? Would they all be expected to find new jobs in the green energy business?

They should be killed the same way they have endorsed their countless victims being killed.

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Modern social democratic principles would have to be applied, wouldn’t they?

Absolutely not! We are regressives, remember? Autocracy all the way!
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