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Re: Childcare Issues
« on: November 04, 2021, 08:34:39 pm »
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I would have preferred spending my childhood in isolation/quarantine over how I actually spent it: under tyranny.

I'm finding that if you really treasure your privacy and solitude westerners will attempt to impose themselves on you by trying to insert themselves in your life even though you never invited them into your life in the first place. It seems the more you try to get away from barbarians the more those barbarians want to be in your life! WTF!?!?!

Here's another Westerner on parenthood:

What Becoming a Parent Really Does to Your Happiness
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Research has found that having children is terrible for quality of life—but the truth about what parenthood means for happiness is a lot more complicated.

Obviously in a sane world if you were planning on having children because you thought the children would make you happier then you are function on nothing more than your own ego, which is not surprising considering Western civilization is built on elevating the human ego above all else. See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
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Few choices are more important than whether to have children, and psychologists and other social scientists have worked to figure out what having kids means for happiness. Some of the most prominent scholars in the field have argued that if you want to be happy, it’s best to be childless. Others have pushed back, pointing out that a lot depends on who you are and where you live. But a bigger question is also at play: What if the rewards of having children are different from, and deeper than, happiness?

Again, in a sane world if your primary interest in having children revolves around the impression that a person will be rewarded for bring kids into this world then should you really be allowed to reproduce in the first place? DO THESE FUCKEN WESTERNERS, AND ESPECIALLY RIGHTISTS, EVEN CARE AT ALL ABOUT THE FACT THAT ANY CHILD BORN ANYWHERE IMPACTS THOSE ALREADY LIVING HERE ON THE PLANET, AND WHO WERE ALSO FORCED TO DO SO WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT? IT IS LITERALLY ANOTHER MOUTH TO FEED AND A HUMAN THAT MUST BE CARED FOR BY A STATE!!!

TALK ABOUT SELFISH PEOPLE! SHOULD WE EXPECT DIFFERENT FROM BARBARIANS THOUGH?

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The early research is decisive: Having kids is bad for quality of life. In one study, the psychologist Daniel Kahneman and his colleagues asked about 900 employed women to report, at the end of each day, every one of their activities and how happy they were when they did them. They recalled being with their children as less enjoyable than many other activities, such as watching TV, shopping, or preparing food. Other studies find that when a child is born, parents experience a decrease in happiness that doesn’t go away for a long time, in addition to a drop in marital satisfaction that doesn’t usually recover until the children leave the house. As the Harvard professor Dan Gilbert puts it, “The only symptom of empty nest syndrome is nonstop smiling.”

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After all, having children, particularly when they are young, involves financial struggle, sleep deprivation, and stress. For mothers, there is also in many cases the physical strain of pregnancy and breastfeeding. And children can turn a cheerful and loving romantic partnership into a zero-sum battle over who gets to sleep and work and who doesn’t. As the Atlantic staff writer Jennifer Senior notes in her book, All Joy and No Fun, children provoke a couple’s most frequent arguments—“more than money, more than work, more than in-laws, more than annoying personal habits, communication styles, leisure activities, commitment issues, bothersome friends, sex.” Someone who doesn’t understand this is welcome to spend a full day with an angry 2-year-old (or a sullen 15-year-old); they’ll find out what she means soon enough.

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But, as often happens in psychology, although some research provided simple findings—in this case, “having children makes you unhappy”—other efforts arrived at more complicated conclusions. For one, the happiness hit is worse for some people than for others. One study finds that fathers ages 26 to 62 actually get a happiness boost, while young or single parents suffer the greatest loss. And crucially, there are geographic differences. A 2016 paper looking at the happiness levels of people with and without children in 22 countries found that the extent to which children make you happy is influenced by whether your country has child-care policies such as paid parental leave. Parents from Norway and Hungary, for instance, are happier than childless couples in those countries—but parents from Australia and Great Britain are less happy than their childless peers. The country with the greatest happiness drop after you have children? The United States.

In a sane world would Norwegians and Hungarians be allowed to reproduce at all? See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/hungary-v4/

Aren't we all so glad that Westerners in Hungary are creating more of those types and parents get paid leave for doing so?

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Children make some happy and others miserable; the rest fall somewhere in between—it depends, among other factors, on how old you are, whether you are a mother or a father, and where you live. But a deep puzzle remains: Many people would have had happier lives and marriages had they chosen not to have kids—yet they still describe parenthood as the “best thing they’ve ever done.” Why don’t we regret having children more?

One possibility is a phenomenon called memory distortion. When we think about our past experiences, we tend to remember the peaks and forget the mundane awfulness in between. Senior frames it like this: “Our experiencing selves tell researchers that we prefer doing the dishes—or napping, or shopping, or answering emails—to spending time with our kids … But our remembering selves tell researchers that no one—and nothing—provides us with so much joy as our children. It may not be the happiness we live day to day, but it’s the happiness we think about, the happiness we summon and remember, the stuff that makes up our life-tales.”

These are plausible-enough ideas, and I don’t reject them. But other theories about why people don’t regret parenthood actually have nothing to do with happiness—at least not in a simple sense.

One involves attachment. Most parents love their children, and it would seem terrible to admit that you would be better off if someone you loved didn’t exist. More than that, you genuinely prefer a world with your kids in it. This can put parents in the interesting predicament of desiring a state that doesn’t make them as happy as the alternative. In his book Midlife, the MIT professor Kieran Setiya expands on this point. Modifying an example from the philosopher Derek Parfit, he asks readers to imagine a situation in which, if you and your partner were to conceive a child before a certain time, the child would have a serious, though not fatal, medical problem, such as chronic joint pain. If you wait, the child will be healthy. For whatever reason, you choose not to wait. You love your child and, though he suffers, he is happy to be alive. Do you regret your decision?

Does the author who wrote this article not see the contradiction in the above paragraph? If the second part of the sentence that is in bold is true, then can the first part of the sentence also be true? Only if you realize that if you really loved your children in the you would never have brought them into this world in the first place. I think Westerners confuse EGO with LOVE more often than not!

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That’s a complicated question. Of course it would have been easier to have a kid without this condition. But if you’d waited, you’d have a different child, and this baby (then boy, then man) whom you love wouldn’t exist. It was a mistake, yes, but perhaps a mistake that you don’t regret. The attachment we have to an individual can supersede an overall decrease in our quality of life, and so the love we usually have toward our children means that our choice to bring them into existence has value above and beyond whatever effect they have on our happiness.

This relates to a second point, which is that there’s more to life than happiness.
When I say that raising my sons is the best thing I’ve ever done, I’m not saying that they gave me pleasure in any simple day-to-day sense, and I’m not saying that they were good for my marriage. I’m talking about something deeper, having to do with satisfaction, purpose, and meaning. It’s not just me. When you ask people about their life’s meaning and purpose, parents say that their lives have more meaning than those of nonparents. A study by the social psychologist Roy Baumeister and his colleagues found that the more time people spent taking care of children, the more meaningful they said their life was—even though they reported that their life was no happier.

Raising children, then, has an uncertain connection to pleasure but may connect to other aspects of a life well lived, satisfying our hunger for attachment, and for meaning and purpose. The writer Zadie Smith puts it better than I ever could, describing having a child as a “strange admixture of terror, pain, and delight.” Smith, echoing the thoughts of everyone else who has seriously considered these issues, points out the risk of close attachments: “Isn’t it bad enough that the beloved, with whom you have experienced genuine joy, will eventually be lost to you? Why add to this nightmare the child, whose loss, if it ever happened, would mean nothing less than your total annihilation?” But this annihilation reflects the extraordinary value of such attachments; as the author Julian Barnes writes of grief, quoting a friend, “It hurts just as much as it is worth.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2021/11/does-having-kids-make-you-happy/620576/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

So, according to this author their final conclusion is that you must be attached to this world in order to find purpose and meaning in it, and you should seek attachment through others? Besides Westerners and their sychophant's, does anyone believe that this is actually sound advice?