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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2022, 07:47:04 am »
Elon Musk is not a Yahweh worshipper, he is a Mercury worshipper.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2022, 05:00:33 am »
@rp Gaddafi wasn't a National Socialist, but Aryanism still shares a decent amount in common with other real world ideologies. So in that respect, he played a key role in promulgating universalist anti-Zionism. That's basically what I'm referring to when I talk about people who aren't necessarily Aryanists. A lot of the ideas and achievements of other ideologies are transferable to ours.

Not sure if Gaddafi implemented state control over reproduction like Deng had done or allowed anyone to reproduce as long as they could take care of their children.

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"Now that we know the laws of heredity, it is possible to a large extent to prevent unhealthy and severely handicapped beings from coming into the world. I have studied with great interest the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injuries to the racial stock. I'm sure that occasionally mistakes occur as a result. But the possibility of excess and error is still no proof of the incorrectness of these laws. It only exhorts us to the greatest possible conscientiousness. When I think of all the means that have been invented and constantly used to prevent conception or even to kill and abort the beginnings of life, it seems to me the ultimate in hypocrisy and inner untruth if these same people -- and it is them, in the main -- call the sterilization of those who are severely handicapped physically and morally and of those who are genuinely criminal a sin against God. I despise this sanctimoniousness in the world, as I despise all those who carry it in their faces and on their lips." - Adolf Hitler

Source : Otto Wagener, Hitler Memoirs of a Confidant page 145, 146




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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2022, 08:10:39 pm »
The simplest reason why the state should control reproduction is because the people who most need to not reproduce are those who will never voluntarily refrain from reproducing, and who additionally tend to be very successful at reproducing:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/son-writes-scathing-obituary-dad-151353672.html

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Lawrence H. Pfaff Sr., 81, of Belmont, New York, died June 27. He lived “a long life, much longer than he deserved,” according to the obituary, which was published Saturday in The Florida Times-Union.
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He described his father in the obituary as “a ladies’ man” and an “abusive alcoholic,”
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Pfaff Sr. is survived by five children, but, according to the obituary, could have fathered more.

“His love was abundant when it came to himself, but for his children it was limited,” the piece said. “It will be challenging to miss Lawrence, Sr. because he was narcissistic. He was incapable of love.”
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“Lawrence, Sr. can be remembered for being a father to many, and a dad to none,” the obituary concluded.

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-treachery/msg464/#msg464

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Another problem that could easily be solved by state control over reproduction:

link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00213-0

   
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The problems psychopathic individuals impose on society and in their interpersonal relationships can be held in stark contrast to reports of their appeal and sexual success in some of those relationships. In the current paper, we seek to contextualize this enigma by focusing on the interpersonal dynamics of psychopathic individuals in romantic encounters. We first formulate a plausible evolutionary function, the sexual exploitation hypothesis, that proposes psychopathy exhibits “special design” features for subverting female mate choice, facilitating the induction of favorable impressions and desire in prospective intimate relationships. We then test the hypothesis in two studies with university samples. Study 1 had young men assessed on psychopathy, social intelligence, and sociosexuality engage in a filmed dating interaction. Study 2 had young women view a subsample of the videos, rate them on desirability, and leave voice messages. Results show psychopathy was related to sociosexuality, specific factors of social intelligence, and generating higher desirability ratings from women after controlling for men’s physical attractiveness. Analyses involving comparisons of two men showed women’s ratings increased in favor of the more psychopathic man. Women’s voice pitch also changed, but only in response to different facets of psychopathy. The results provide preliminary support for the sexual exploitation hypothesis and suggest that more dynamic assessment of putative desirability in psychopathy may be required to capture its plausible special design features in prospective dating encounters.

but if left unattended will surely worsen over time as in each generation the psychopaths are reproductively advantaged, thus leading to more psychopaths in the following generation.

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-infidelity/msg466/#msg466

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The archetype continues to be fleshed out:

medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-low-voiced-men-em-women.html

   
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Men with low-pitched voices have an advantage in attracting women, even though women know they're not likely to stick around for long.
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    "Until now, it's been unclear why women would like the voices of men who might cheat. But we found that the more women thought these men would cheat, the more they were attracted to them for a brief relationship when they are less worried about fidelity."

Another job for state control over reproduction!

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-infidelity/msg4084/#msg4084

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Men in the Misogynistic group were more likely than men in the two Normative groups to have caused a pregnancy

And this is why we need state control over reproduction. Otherwise every new generation will be more sexist than the previous!

To say nothing of:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/elon-musk/msg14549/#msg14549

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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2022, 02:21:19 pm »
National Socialism ≠ Nazism

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

Race = Quality && Race ≠ Ethnicity.

History is written by the victors.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2022, 07:59:38 pm »
Pronatalism is heritable:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musks-76-old-dad-203015062.html

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Elon Musk's 76-year-old dad says he's had another child with his 35-year-old stepdaughter: 'The only thing we are on Earth for is to reproduce'
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Elon Musk's dad has fathered a second child with his stepdaughter, who is 41 years his junior, he said in a new interview.

Errol Musk, 76, told The Sun Wednesday that he had a daughter with Jana Bezuidenhout, 35, in 2019.

The elder Musk and Bezuidenhout previously welcomed a son, Elliot Rush, who is now 5 years old.

Bezuidenhout's mother, Heide, and Musk were married for 18 years and share two children. Bezuidenhout was 4 years old when Musk became her stepfather.

Errol and Maye Musk were married from 1970 to 1979 and share three children: Elon, Kimbal, and Tosca.
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The New York Post reported that he had fathered a total of seven children.
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Speaking with the tabloid, Musk echoed his son's views on population growth.

"The only thing we are on Earth for is to reproduce," he said. "If I could have another child I would. I can't see any reason not to."


Today, Errol and Elon Musk are estranged.

That Errol and Elon dislike each other, yet still agree on pronatalism, only further proves my point.

If pronatalism is heritable, then it is likely that antinatalism is also heritable. This is why the duty of the National Socialist state is to keep antinatalist bloodlines around long enough for all pronatalist bloodlines (preferably starting with Musk's) to first be eliminated.

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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2022, 07:01:48 pm »
Hitler teaches us how to reduce the population and against Western Civilization from individual method, that is not reproduce

I don't know why the children who grow up mostly want to have child and reproduce with their partner during adult. Seeing that they ever abused by their oppressive parents. Of course I know, the reason is, they like to have s*x with their partner, because attracted by the partner's body...

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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2022, 07:57:23 pm »
"they like to have s*x with their partner, because attracted by the partner's body..."

I have tried to introduce a different way of thinking: the more you are attracted to the partner's body, the less you should want to have sex with them. If you are attracted to something, you should not want to change it. But sex demonstrably changes the partner's body (often irreversibly) in many ways (including but not limited to conception):

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/telegony/msg3429/#msg3429

Therefore wanting to have sex with someone actually reveals that you are not attracted to them enough. We should feel so attracted to our partner that we would not want to pollute them with sex.

This is the same reasoning as behind my old idea of promoting gravure as the alternative to ****:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-infidelity/msg466/#msg466

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We should consider promoting gravure as a clean alternative to ****. Whereas **** demeans the performers, gravure pedestalizes them. Thus in terms of psychological impact on the viewer, whereas **** leads to desensitization (and consequently the need for increasingly **** performances just for the same effect), gravure leads to sensitization (and consequently the demand for increasingly subtle performances). A gravure fan looking at **** will find it so unsubtle as to evoke only disgust. This is what we should aim at: not people refusing **** out of fear of being aroused by it, but people refusing **** because they find it too aesthetically crude to be arousing.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2022, 08:35:43 pm »
@90sRetroFan

The historical records shows Hitler never have direct s*x with his wifes. And only doing so-called "s*xual pleasure" with seeing her. And even he slept with separated bedroom from his wife.


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Re: Psychological decolonization
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"I did not ask to be born, and the world is not suited to me, nor me to it."

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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2023, 03:45:56 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/parental-guidance-choosing-not-to-have-kids-judgment-1.6869488

Being childless still carries stigma — even though more people are choosing not to become parents

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For centuries, the idealized path through life for many people — especially women — has been one that includes a lovely home, a loving partner and a couple of adorable children to raise.

But increasingly, Canadians are choosing not to have children. The country's birth rate hit a record low in 2020.

There are many reasons people choose not to procreate: income, health, relationship status and simple preference. But one thing they all have in common is the stigma they face for that choice.

Lori Coombs was very set on not having children when she entered her first marriage. But she says she began to realize her value in the family she joined centred firmly on her reproductive abilities.

"Strangers that you chat with at a wedding will kind of put guilt on you that you're not doing your part in providing the world with a good human being to raise. You hear things like 'what if your child would grow up to cure cancer?' Well, maybe, but what if he grows up to be a serial killer?" says Coombs.

Lorilee Keller, a registered clinical counsellor in Vancouver, says society needs to shift focus away from the expectation that all people can or will be parents.

"I think a lot of people are looking for friends and family to be just supportive and maybe not assume that everyone is going to go down the path of having kids or that everyone has a choice in that," Keller said.

As younger generations face climate catastrophes, unreachable housing markets and political unrest, many more people will likely make the choice to not bring children into the world. We need to not just accept this but embrace it, and see the value in these members of our own "village."

Whether by choice or by not, the childless people in our lives play equally important roles and deserve to be free of any judgment. 


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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2023, 02:30:43 pm »
Natalism is starting to sound a bit tribal? Imagine that...

The Cruelty of Natalism
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People without children may struggle to survive in a natalist world.

Natalism can render individuals without children invisible.

Natalism holds no space for those without children.
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Natalism

Whether by choice or not by choice, not having children in a natalist society is nearly impossible to navigate. There just isn’t room for us.

Natalism is, essentially, the promotion of childbearing. It’s when having children is the norm. Don’t have kids? You’re not normal. Welcome to life in the U.S. and most other countries...
Entire article: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/psychology-in-the-real-world/202306/the-cruelty-of-natalism

 

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Re: True Left breakthrough: antinatalism
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2023, 08:25:20 pm »
https://incels.is/threads/people-in-cucktears-will-say-that-the-son-will-have-no-problem-finding-a-gf-when-he-grows-up.73747/
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"I see no problem with him" cucktears member would say when that poor son will grow up.

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Re: Reproductive decolonization
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2023, 11:34:24 am »
The current president of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro, who was chosen by the late Hugo Chávez, has a Sephardic Moorish background, and he has a biological child.

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He stated in a 2013 interview that "my grandparents were Jewish, from a Sephardic Moorish background, and converted to Catholicism in Venezuela".[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol%C3%A1s_Maduro

His son also has his own biological children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol%C3%A1s_Maduro_Guerra
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