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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2021, 11:18:52 pm »
It's not just racism either. It's now been a full year of coronavirus, and our enemies still do not get it about masks. Behold their utter inferiority:

eurocanadian.ca/2021/01/questions-for-mask-communists.html

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“If we are passengers on a sinking ship and everyone is wearing a life jacket but me—because I have chosen not to wear one—would you lash out at me for “not caring about other people”, or being “selfish”? How absurd. My choice not to wear a life jacket does not constitute a threat to your survival.”

By the same token:

“If you really believe that your cloth mask works, then why are you worried if I don’t wear one?”

“If your mask works, and I am not wearing a mask, then my COVID breath shouldn’t penetrate your mask, should it? And if your mask works, then why should you care if I am 6 feet or six inches from you?”

Of course we know the answer:



But they are not going to get it no matter what, and we should stop behaving as if they can get it if we just spend enough effort teaching them. There is only one way to communicate with our enemies:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/firearms/
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2021, 10:34:58 pm »
Governments are realizing it now:

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-55309923

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"Unconscious bias training" is being scrapped for civil servants in England, with ministers saying it does not work.

The training, intended to tackle patterns of discrimination and prejudice, is used in many workplaces.

The government says there is no evidence it changes attitudes - and is urging other public sector employers to end this type of training.

Though still there idiots who don't get it:

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Lucille Thirlby, assistant general secretary of the FDA civil servants' union, called on ministers to say "what are you going to replace it with".

State control over reproduction with people from racist bloodlines prohibited from reproducing, hopefully?

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Studies suggest that epigenetics allows some learned adaptive responses to be passed down to new generations. The question is how.
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Racism has everything to do with survival and very little to do with hate. People who claim racism is hate completely miss the point and can never help bring about the end of racism, because these are the same types of people who believe you can teach people to not be racist.


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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2021, 09:53:57 pm »
"Racism has everything to do with survival"

Yes. The reason why racism exists is because it gives its practitioners a competitive advantage:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/ethnotribalism-the-computer-simulation/

Until False Leftists accept this harsh reality and hence drop their bad habit of trying to portray racism as being disadvantageous as well as unethical, we are going to get nowhere.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2021, 10:35:15 pm »
BLM is finally learning that education will not end racism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4saPHkoO44

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2021, 10:14:01 pm »
Leftists are getting our message (note "Myth #3"):



Of course False Leftists are still misuing the word "myth" with a negative connotation, but we can get round to changing this later.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2021, 10:21:21 pm »
More people see the light:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/im-tired-trying-educate-white-095952986.html

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I'm Tired of Trying to Educate White People About Anti-Asian Racism
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I find that I am increasingly weary of pleading for acknowledgment or empathy. I am ready to stop chasing after those who need to see your deepest wounds on display before they will even contemplate believing your words. I’ve lost the energy or desire to educate or provide reasoned, patient answers to anyone who still needs to be convinced that Asian people face discrimination and violence in this country. Even the week of the Atlanta-area spa shootings that left eight people–six of them Asian women–dead, I received many versions of the question: What would you say to white people in this moment, to help them understand how serious this is?

What can I say to persuade this or that group of white people–white parents, white people with Asian relatives or friends or co-workers, white people who aren’t “comfortable” talking about race or privilege–to start having these “important conversations” if they aren’t already? Is it my responsibility to do so? Maybe, if I can, but the truth is that I am tired of being asked to think about racism from the perspective of those least impacted by it. I don’t always feel like explaining anti-Asian prejudice to people who have never considered it before. I don’t want to hear or validate confessions that someone hasn’t thought enough, done enough, said enough, worked enough, read enough, challenged enough microaggressions at work or at school. I don’t need an inbox full of emotional labor from white people just discovering the fact that Asians in America experience racism, and that I am Asian American. I do hope that more people read, learn and speak out, as we should all be doing, and I’m grateful to those who have more drive and capacity to teach right now. But there are days when I feel up to it and days when I don’t, and lately the latter outnumber the former.

Perhaps it shouldn’t have taken me so long to realize that it isn’t always my responsibility to engage with white people on this issue–whether that means cataloging the most recent horrific attacks in case someone is still unaware, providing examples of racism I’ve personally experienced in diverse and insular spaces alike, recommending articles and books for them to read, offering impromptu lessons on the Asian American history many of us weren’t taught in school, or trying to put words to the heavy dread and fury I carry through each day now–all in an effort to persuade others to name and care about what is happening. Laying down this burden flies against an instinct first cultivated so I could cope with and try to close the empathy gap between me and the white family and friends who loved me but who could never quite see or grasp my reality as a Korean American woman. As a transracial adoptee, I was uniquely conditioned to excuse and instruct and even comfort the white people who adopted me, or hired me, or gave me a chance, or just seemed to tolerate my presence–I felt as though I should be the one to not just reach out, but stretch more than halfway to meet them. It was my duty, I long believed, to be a bridge–even if this sometimes required me to offer up my pain or trauma for others to walk over in pursuit of some elusive understanding.

Racism against Asian and Pacific Islander people in this country is long-standing. But perhaps I could permit myself to feel the full weight of my anger and weariness over it only when, after a year filled with so much grief and fear and the loss of several people I loved, I found myself buying safety whistles for me and my daughters. Now, as each week brings new reports of Asian elders being assaulted, Asian women being harassed, Asian children being bullied, I realize how little will I have to partake in discussions about racism that center and cater to whiteness: what white people don’t know; what they’re uncomfortable with; what they refuse to see or recognize or speak out against. There will always be those who doubt or deny the racism, othering and fetishization that dehumanizes us, the violence that threatens us. At what cost, I wonder, do I continue to exhaust my own finite resources running after them, hoping to reach them? Have I not lost enough precious time and energy to white supremacy?

Exactly.

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After the Atlanta shootings, when a fellow Korean American texted to ask how we might try to talk with, protect and support our families in the midst of our shared rage and grief, I realized that the conversations I most want to have right now are ones that focus not on the silent or the unconvinced, but on the people we fight for–our loved ones, our communities, our allies and those to whom we owe our solidarity. As I think about what I can do, how I can best help and hold space for those more vulnerable than myself, I’ve found the most meaningful support and comfort within the community I do have, and have had all along: the people who don’t need to hear my pleas in order to see and value my humanity.

As for the rest, their bloodlines simply have to be eliminated.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2021, 11:36:36 pm »
So why do False Leftists believe racists can be educated to not be racist? I have always suspected that it is because many racists can pretend to not be racist when it suits them, and the hopelessly naive False Leftists are being easily fooled. And now our enemies admit it in their advice column:

https://www.amren.com/commentary/2021/06/guide-for-the-perplexed/

The problem:

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I am having problems at work and with my family due to my involvement in the racial question and the white nationalist movement.

One of my sisters is now estranged from me because she is so angry over my voting for Donald Trump and against Joe Biden. This situation has been brewing. I’ve tried to explain our ideas to her over the past two years but she just gets mad. After the election she told me that I am not welcome in her house and that she would not see me during the Christmas holidays.

Now my parents are annoyed that my sister and I have fallen out.

In addition to trouble at home my job is shaky.

A “woke” fellow employee has informed my company of my “racist” ideas.

I’ve been called in and grilled by the boss and I may get fired. I need this job and I’m worried that the SJW co-worker could stir up an online doxing, making it difficult for me to get another job if I lose this one.

Do you have any suggestions on how I can handle this situation?

The advice (plus typically obnoxious cultural appropriation in the first line):

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How, Paleface! How to smokum peace pipe with family and boss?
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I am a great believer in insincerity and hypocrisy. They save a lot of trouble in life.

You might send your sister a birthday gift with a little note expressing your affection for her, your regret at the hiccup in your relations with each other and your own consigning of the whole issue to oblivion.

Eat humble pie if you have too. Nobody’s watching. You can feed her what she wants to hear. It doesn’t matter. The silly cow will never listen to you anyway, so why care?

Be sure to share your note, gift, etc. with your parents. This will cause them to soften toward you and, if your sister won’t reciprocate, their annoyance will shift and be directed at her.
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Try to mitigate the situation with your bosses. Give anodyne versions of what you believe about our issues. Water the issue down. Tell them what they have heard does not accurately reflect what you actually believe.

Assure the company managers/owners that you will never do or say anything that will cause them any trouble.

Do not try to win them over to your views while the matter is being digested by your superiors. This is a time for equivocation, not martyrdom.

Here again the principle of the utility of insincerity and hypocrisy holds true.

Which is why I keep saying that if anyone with a past record of racism claims to have reformed, they are lying unless they are willing to attend a far-right gathering and massacre as many other attendees as they can. Anyone can make verbal claims. Actions are a more reliable indicator of sincerity.
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Re: Western civilization = sustainable evil
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2021, 12:56:00 pm »
Western "sustainability" means finding more efficient ways to continue to do this:


https://i.redd.it/e9ysypln1o771.jpg

Instead of just...not eating plastic-packaged fruit when it's not in season?


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As far as I am aware, recycling actually doesn't result in most of the materials being recycled--they are simply sold/shipped somewhere else and put in some other nation's landfill. Reducing consumption and utilizing reusable materials are millions of times more important than recycling plastic junk that never should have been legal to manufacture in the first place.

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A sculpture of the G7 leaders shaped like Mount Rushmore made of electronic waste has been erected in Cornwall ahead of the G7 Summit.

It has been named "Mount Recyclemore" and bids to highlight the damage caused by the disposal of electronic devices.

Sculptor Joe Rush said he hoped it would show they needed to be made more easily reusable or recyclable.

He said: "It needs to be repairable or made to last longer because the stuff is going into landfill."

According to a United Nations report, more than 53 million tonnes of e-waste was generated worldwide in 2019 - over 9 million tonnes more than five years earlier.

The seven leaders depicted in the sculpture are UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Japan's Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga, French President Emmanuel Macron, Italy's Prime Minister Mario Draghi, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel and US President Joe Biden.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-57406136

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"We have this looking at them and hopefully we're going to prick their conscience and make them realise they're all together in this waste business.

"The key message is 'talk to each other' and let's sort this mess out," Mr Rush added.

Sigh, if that had any conscience or thought this was wrong in the first place, they would have done something about it hundreds of millions of tons ago... By spending hundreds of hours making a fancy sculpture and hoping it makes literal supervillains spontaneously have some comic book fantasy moment where they snap their fingers and magically change every view and position they've ever taken in their entire life, False Leftists are contributing to the prolonging of all these problems.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2021, 11:33:26 pm »
https://newrepublic.com/article/163079/convince-people-eat-less-meat

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How Do You Convince People to Eat Less Meat?

You don't. You simply prohibit them from reproducing. (Indeed, in a world of true justice, you would do to them what they consider acceptable to do to their slaughter victims.)

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A recent fracas in Spain shows that simply telling people to reduce meat consumption in the name of climate and personal health won’t work.

Especially if they are Westerners.

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In early July, Spain’s minister of consumer affairs, Alberto Garzón, posted a short video on Twitter urging Spaniards to decrease their meat consumption. From a political communication perspective, it was flawless. He listed the many ways large-scale meat production and consumption harm humans, the environment, and animals, all backed by peer-reviewed science. He focused on reducing meat intake, not eliminating it—he praised nonindustrial livestock systems and family barbecues. He acknowledged that changing diets is hard for those without access to cheap, accessible, and diverse food choices. He explained that the government would launch food education campaigns and implement regulations to incentivize more sustainable diets. He even added a hashtag: #MenosCarneMasVida (Less Meat More Life).

Spanish politics exploded. While Garzón’s nuanced, well-researched message received some support (the number of Spaniards who claim to want to reduce their meat consumption is rising), several fellow politicians turned to juvenile trolling. Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, of Spain’s socialist party, gushed about his love of the chuletón steak to a press conference, and Teodoro García Egea of the right-wing People’s Party tweeted out a picture of a grill packed with slabs of meat with the caption, “To your health.”

The affair brilliantly displayed the fraught politics of dietary change. The average Western diet—prevalent in Spain, just as it is in the United States and the United Kingdom—is high in meat, fat, and sugar, its production and consumption an environmental and public health disaster. This has been true for decades. But in the past few years, a growing chorus of voices have begun to call for major dietary changes in the interest of human and planetary health. The EAT-Lancet report published in February 2019 called for a global shift to a primarily plant-based diet if we are to keep agricultural production within planetary limits. The problem, however, is that actually changing what people eat is extremely difficult.
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The traditional way for NGOs, companies, and governments to approach dietary change is through information campaigns and so-called nudges that don’t impinge on individual choice or risk regulatory and legislative battles. They’re nonintrusive ways of suggesting more healthy or ethical choices to consumers—like releasing EAT-Lancet recommendations or national dietary guidelines, slapping “fair trade” labels on coffee or “humanely raised” labels on meat. It can also mean deciding not to promote a product, as the food website Epicurious did when it vowed to stop running beef recipes for many of the reasons mentioned by Garzón.

The problem with these interventions is that they are not all that effective. While consumers may claim they want to make more informed or sustainable decisions, they tend to default to their usual habits in the supermarket aisles. And information doesn’t necessarily shift behavior; it may even have the opposite effect. Psychologists argue that when consumers face the “meat paradox” of eating meat while being opposed to the harms caused by it, they will often create justificatory narratives and rationalizations that deny harm or personal responsibility rather than actually halting meat consumption.

Most people are inferior, and the inferior cannot be taught to be superior.

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These mild, less effective policy efforts also tend to be attacked by critics as if they were actually reducing consumer choice. EAT-Lancet was met with a coordinated online countercampaign under the hashtag #yes2meat. Epicurious was lambasted by pro-beef critics, including foodies and food writers, in the wake of its decision. When the United Nations tried to call for meat reduction to mitigate climate change, it too was brutally critiqued, including by pro-meat climate scholars.
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When schools in Lyon, France, moved to make lunches plant-forward (albeit with fish and egg and dairy options available), farmers stormed the city in protest and the French minister of agriculture clamored against anti-meat “ideology.” In the U.S., Joni Ernst, the infamously meat-industry-friendly senator from Iowa whose campaign advertising included boasts about pig castration, has introduced an act to preemptively preclude federal institutions from engaging in nudges like “Meatless Monday.”

And anyone who still thinks they can be is delusional.

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The academic case for such taxes on meat is robust and convincing. But taxes in general are massively politically unpopular and lead to accusations of a nanny state interfering in consumers’ free choice, as the battles over sugar taxes around the world have shown.

On July 15, the U.K. released its Food Strategy, a well-researched document urging a reshaping of the British food system in the interest of health and sustainability. It called for reductions in sugar, salt, and meat. But the authors only suggested a tax on sugar and salt, shying away from a “politically impossible” meat tax. Instead, they recommended plant-forward dietary nudges and subsidies for the development of alternative proteins.

It’s a good illustration of the way policymakers often self-edit when it comes to such a fraught topic. The problem is that, while this approach is politically pragmatic, it is naïve to expect that clinging to the lower rungs of the Nuffield Ladder can lead to even the Food Strategy’s suggested 30 percent reduction in meat consumption, let alone the EAT-Lancet standard.

But the problem isn’t only that policymakers are wary of inviting pro-meat backlash. It’s also that virtually all governments subsidize and promote meat production and consumption. The EU, despite its Green Deal commitment to carbon neutrality by 2050, has spent millions of Euros on a “Beefatarian” advertising campaign, and both Europe and the USA support animal agriculture through extensive subsidies and supports.

If Hitler had won WWII, things might be different. But he didn't. So they aren't.

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What does all of this mean for dietary change? The trite answer is that there is no silver bullet solution and that we need an “all of the above” approach that includes individual and collective action and policy shifts. We also need to accept that any shift in the status quo is going to generate pushback. Eventually the culture war over meat is going to have to be fought.

Yes. And our recommendation for how to fight it is to associate a meat-heavy diet with Westernization. Then at least among those who believe that Western civilization must die, there might be a shift. See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dietary-decolonization/

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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2021, 06:48:32 pm »
Sorry Folks, Trumpists Are Too Far Gone
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--Unfortunately, it has become clear that Trumpists are too far gone to be brought back to reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjge4sOGbZw

Exactly, as we have been saying from the get go! Anyone who thinks leftists should attempt to unite with Trumpists to fight the "elites" at this point is also a false-leftist and clearly living in lala-land! Furthermore, why would Americans try and unite with people who are clearly un-American in an attempt to fix the many problems America is facing? That's absolutely ridiculous!!!

False-leftists cannot even bring themselves to acknowledge that this is a left versus right issue to begin with. Follow these types of people at your own peril! These people aren't even living in reality! I would also not be surprised if some false-leftists are actually rightist operatives trying to set true leftists up for failure!

See also:  https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/     (Keyword: Americans!)

Hint: If you do NOT believe in E Pluribus Unum then there's an excellent chance you are NOT an American!

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2021, 04:12:32 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGt1Ukg7q4Y

About Blumenthal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Blumenthal

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In March 2017, Blumenthal co-sponsored the Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S.270), which made it a federal crime, punishable by a maximum sentence of 20 years imprisonment,[187] for Americans to encourage or participate in boycotts against Israel and Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories if protesting actions by the Israeli government.[188]

In short, the dumb Jews are just as evil as the smart ones.

Also recall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-lMIGV-dUI

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2021, 08:49:31 pm »
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Vegetarians and vegans are seen as less socially attractive by the meat-eating majority in part because they are viewed as moralistic, according to a new study published in the journal Appetite. The findings provide new insight into the relationship between dietary choices and social attraction, or the willingness to affiliate oneself with particular social groups.
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“Despite strong arguments favoring a shift toward plant-based diets, there is only a minority of people who choose to abstain from meat (vegetarians) or other animal products (vegans), raising the question why shifts toward plant-based diets are often resisted by the meat-eating or ‘omnivorous’ majority.”

“One of the barriers could be social: People often do not like to deviate from social norms, even if there are good moral reasons to do so, and minorities are often seen as less socially attractive. I therefore decided to examine the role of negative stereotypes in predicting the social attractiveness of vegetarians and vegans,” De Groeve said.
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The participants viewed omnivores as the most socially attractive group, followed by vegetarians. In other words, the participants were very willing to be associated with omnivores and slightly less willing to be associated with vegetarians. They were slightly unwilling, however, to be associated with vegans.

Vegetarians, and especially vegans, were seen as more moral but also more eccentric and moralistic (self-righteous and narrow-minded) than omnivores, which in turn predicted lower social attractiveness. Vegetarians and vegans were often described as “eco-friendly” and “considerate” during the free association task, but they were also described as “judgmental” and “preachy.”
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“An interesting question for future research is to examine the accuracy of stereotypes associated with vegetarians and vegans, in particular with regard to moralistic impressions. People may have had negative experiences with moralistic vegans, though people might also merely imagine being moralistically judged by vegans,” De Groeve said.

“A lot of evidence also shows that many people typically want to avoid harming animals, despite engaging in dietary habits that harm animals (this has been called the meat paradox in psychological literature). To maintain the illusion that eating animals or their products is both (relatively) harmless and unavoidable, people might engage in motivated reasoning to defend their diet. Moralistic stereotypes may serve as a stigma to silence morally-motivated vegetarians and vegans whose mere existence challenges this illusion.”
https://www.psypost.org/2021/09/moralistic-impressions-help-explain-the-reduced-social-attractiveness-of-vegetarians-and-vegans-61889

Ironically, for every vegan I've seen preaching, I've seen 100 anti-vegan reactionaries preach about how much they hate vegans. You know, all those low-effort jokes about "How do you know someone is a vegan? They won't shut up about it, hah hah hah!!".

I think this is the real reason why non-vegans are perceived as the most "socially attractive"--people want to fit in with the majority and will join in on the vegan-bashing stereotypes because it signals they are part of the dominant majority group.


I agree with the author that it probably does get under the average person's skin when a moralistic person forces them to confront difficult moral questions. The majority of people seem highly adverse to such a thing, and I suppose most are just too dumb or selfish to want to be bothered with the difficult task of self-reflection.

Unlike the author, I don't think the majority of people would care about the exploitation of animals, if they were forced to self-reflect on their actions. Rightists are motivated by the Judeo-Christian logic that animals were created by Yahweh so the superior humans could exploit them. And False Left secular humanists are motivated by what is essentially the same reasoning (especially when it comes to scientific exploitation of animals).

The majority of people are ignoble.

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I think a lot of the judgement omnivores and carnivores feel from vegetarians is self-inflicted by virtue of the mere presence of a vegetarian.

For example, if you offer someone meat and they refuse it because they don’t eat meat, the natural human impulse is to question - what’s wrong with them or what’s wrong with me?

Even if the vegetarian doesn’t explain their motivations, we are all already familiar with why most people become vegetarian:

    Reduce animal suffering

    Plant based diets are generally healthier

    Plant based diets have a lower ecological footprint

Why are most people meat eaters?

    Meat tastes good

    It’s what I know and I’m comfortable with it / It's part of my cultural upbringing and traditions

Because of that, many meat eaters look at a vegetarian and think, “they think they’re better than me.” Which ironically is quite judgmental.
https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/pwcpvb/moralistic_impressions_help_explain_the_reduced/heh4zfv/

As a side note, I've noticed a similar reaction from alcohol drinkers toward non-drinkers. Many actually get angry and indignant when they are merely in the presence of someone who doesn't drink alcohol. Why? Because they are afraid of being judged by others for their degeneracy? Because they have an internal conflict with themselves over their desire for alcohol? Idk, but they end up reinforcing their in-group status by judging non-drinkers for being "weirdos" for not engaging in the same behavior as the majority of people.

Even if a non-alcohol-drinker literally doesn't say anything about why they aren't drinking alcohol, they will still be judged simply for not joining in with the majority. Even if a vegan/vegetarian literally doesn't say a single word, omnivores will look at their plate full of plants and make a disparaging comment to reinforce that they are in the out-group.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2021, 09:49:39 pm »
"people want to fit in with the majority"

To test this, we could offer people a thought experiment choice: would you rather be a) vegan but appear to be omnivorous to others; or b) omnivorous but appear to be vegan to others?

"difficult moral questions"

Except this is not even difficult. Is it OK to slaughter you for your meat? No? Then don't slaughter others for their meat! That's literally all there is to it! It's about the most elementary analysis that exists!

"dumb or selfish"

Selfish. I have known people who could solve brain teasers etc. much faster than I can, but who still behave like this when confronted with vegans (e.g. me).

"I don't think the majority of people would care about the exploitation of animals, if they were forced to self-reflect on their actions. Rightists are motivated by the Judeo-Christian logic that animals were created by Yahweh so the superior humans could exploit them. And False Left secular humanists are motivated by what is essentially the same reasoning (especially when it comes to scientific exploitation of animals)."

I agree. I also see signs that the "for the sake of science" crowd are getting worse. In the past, they at least more often tried to justify their position with the utilitarian argument that the scientific discovery might end up reducing suffering for many more others (which of course does not make it ethical). Now they increasingly claim that scientific discovery is worthwhile for its own sake! They have become worshippers of discovery itself. See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2021, 08:28:10 pm »
Those convinced that "whites" are the victims cannot be persuaded otherwise, not even by their own logic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqJ5Hq9ETXw