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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2021, 09:21:09 pm »
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Toddlers Are Harsh Judges Of Moral Character

Over the past ten years, developmental psychologists have been astounded by the young age at which children appear to be aware of the moral qualities of others’ actions. At just four months, babies already react with surprise when others engage in unequal distribution of treats and resources. They also snub these unfair individuals in social interactions by the age of 24 months and expect others to do the same. Other forms of moral judgement may emerge even sooner: as early as 3 months of age, infants show distinct preferences for those who help, as opposed to hinder, others.

In thinking about these nascent moral judgements, researchers have become interested in figuring out their underlying mental “structure”. Do children’s moral rules operate like a loose “‘anthology”, where judgements passed on the basis of one principle have little effect on judgements on the basis of another? Or is there a deeper underpinning mental framework that gives rise to a multitude of connected moral expectations? 

A recent study in PNAS by a duo of American researchers breaks new ground on this fascinating question. It reveals that toddlers are guided by a core mental representation of what it means to be a moral person (albeit with some potentially concerning caveats). Within this moral framework, a single faux pas risks entirely sweeping an individual from a child’s good books. 
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The finding indicates that children judge others from a holistic perspective of what being moral really means. In their view, a single action that is at odds with one aspect of a “good” representation implies that the individual should be expected to violate other moral principles.
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the moral principles that children use do not operate in arbitrary isolation. They stem from a core mental representation of what makes someone a moral person. Whether this representation is “hardwired” or amenable to changes through development, experience, and age is an exciting question for future research to address.
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2021/12/14/once-a-meanie-always-a-meanie-toddlers-are-harsh-judges-of-moral-character/

Toddlers also give the benefit of the doubt to individuals (perhaps a bit too strongly):
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The researchers saw this when they repeated their experiment, except this time the toddlers first witnessed a dog puppet mistreating a rabbit (as opposed to a fellow dog) before watching the dog share out a pair of toys. 

In this scenario, toddlers gazed longer when the dog went on to make an unequal sharing decision, suggesting that they still expected the puppet to be fair. Only when the researchers ensured that the dog engaged in three sequential acts of bullying towards the rabbit did the children’s gaze patterns suggest that they no longer expected it to act fairly in the next social interaction.

Other studies observed tribalism is evident in other children:
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While this outcome is not entirely surprising (other studies have documented children expecting others to give their in-group members special treatment)

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We examined whether one mechanism contributing to ingroup favoritism might be an abstract and early-emerging sociomoral expectation of ingroup support. In violation-of-expectation experiments, 17-mo-old infants first watched third-party interactions among unfamiliar adults identified (using novel labels) as belonging to the same group, to different groups, or to unspecified groups. Next, one adult needed help, and another adult either did or did not provide it. Infants expected help to be provided when the two adults belonged to the same group, but held no expectation when the adults belonged to different groups or to unspecified groups. Infants thus already possess an abstract expectation of ingroup support, and this finding sheds light on one of the mechanisms underlying ingroup favoritism in human interactions.

Ingroup favoritism (IGF) refers to the tendency to favor ingroup individuals over outgroup individuals in evaluations and actions. For example, adults and children age 4 y and older have been shown to generally prefer ingroup members, to evaluate ingroup members more positively, to favor ingroup members when allocating resources, and to be more willing to help ingroup members in need of assistance (1⇓⇓⇓⇓–6). Remarkably, similar results have been obtained even when adults and children are experimentally assigned to minimal groups (7⇓⇓⇓⇓–12). Minimal groups typically have three features: the basis for categorization into the groups is salient but random or arbitrary, no meaningful information is provided about the groups, and social interactions within and between the groups are limited to avoid generating meaningful information about the groups (8, 13). The well-established finding that mere categorization into a minimal group is sufficient to elicit some degree of IGF has attracted considerable attention from researchers across the social sciences.
https://www.pnas.org/content/114/31/8199

Or maybe the infants assume there is a moral reason the individual has been excluded from the group?

Also, I can't help but wonder if a "minimal group" could be understood as a team or 'task force/labor unit' rather than a tribe, depending on the experiment. Obviously it makes more sense to work more closely with your delegated squad/team when working to solve a problem, but in that context "favoritism" is merely direct collaboration and is not the same thing as a tribalistic lack of empathy for non-group members.

A brief look at children's cartoons over the past 100 years shows that the communities in those cartoons are made up of humans and sentient non-humans of all species (often including sentient plants, rocks, furniture, etc.!), so whatever group distinction they are picking up in the "minimal group" scenarios doesn't necessarily seem to be tribalism per se.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2022, 09:29:40 pm »
If mild punishment worked, repeat offenders would not exist. They do, because it doesn't:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-congressman-madison-cawthorn-charged-200701610.html

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Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., has been charged for the second time in the past five years with driving on a revoked license, a misdemeanor that carries up to 20 days in jail.

The 26-year-old Henderson County Republican was pulled over March 3 in Cleveland County, about 1½ hours southeast of Asheville, by the highway patrol, according to court records and a highway patrol spokesperson.

Along with the misdemeanor, Cawthorn is facing two pending citations for speeding: driving 89 mph in a 65 mph zone in Buncombe County on Oct. 18 and 87 mph in a 70 mph zone in Polk County on Jan. 8.
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Cawthorn has been charged before with driving after having his license taken away. Before he was sworn in last year as a U.S. House member, a 2017 charge of driving with a revoked license was dismissed in Buncombe, court records show.

(Why is it always Cawthorn?)

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2022, 08:25:55 pm »
https://twitter.com/ogygios/status/1517178982302728198

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Despite constant propaganda the revealed preferences of white people remain generally ethnocentric if only unconsciously. This is at 60% of the population after decades of integration programs. Aggregate instincts prevail against social conditioning.

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The gap between implicit in-group preference and explicit denunciation of that preference manifests at the macroscopic level of policy, not in free association. Behind the political theatrics ethnic interests quietly get on with the work.

The only solution is to prohibit racists from reproducing.
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2022, 01:57:14 pm »
Superiority cannot be taught, but superior people can be "taught" to avoid fulfilling their duty.

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Two Ways You Might Be Disempowering Yourself
A new theory of power aversion is discussed.

It is commonly assumed that everyone desires power, but this is not always true.

Power aversion may be related to fearing responsibility and causing harm, leading to negative feelings like guilt.


Power avoidance is also related to a negative view of powerful people and the belief that power can change us for the worse.
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Putting it all together, Hull et al. propose a new theory of power aversion. One path to power aversion, the theory argues, involves the coercive lay theory. Specifically, a person’s belief that:

    Powerful people have a negative disposition (selfish, cold) and an antisocial orientation (immoral, unjust).

    One’s own disposition and social orientation would change for the worse if given power.

Another path to avoidance of power, the theory submits, involves the collaborative lay theory of power. In particular, a person:

    Assuming power holders have major responsibilities and are obligated to support the welfare of others.

    Feeling uncomfortable with the responsibility of protecting people’s welfare and worrying about potentially causing harm.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-new-home/202203/ways-you-might-be-disempowering-yourself

Superior people are the ones who are concerned about the ways power may harm others and understand that power comes with duties. Morons have parroted the phrase "absolute power corrupts absolutely" enough times to dissuade such high-quality individuals from being willing to take on power, resulting in only empathy-devoid psychopaths seeking positions of power...

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2022, 04:20:33 pm »
Even something as simple and seemingly meaningless as internet culture proves the need for autocracy, or at the very least, authoritarianism. How many times have we personally witnessed a lack of moderation, or at least quality moderation, immediately result in that particular platform being flooded by rightists and rightist talking points? The fact that leftists boards, political boards in general, and even anarchist boards specifically feel the need to have moderators, is proof enough that we need autocracy for what lies ahead. Absent of moderation or really any sort of authority, these platforms almost always shift from left to right, and practically never from right to left. That doesn't mean that anarchists and others who happen to be harshly critical of authoritarian regimes don't have valid points, I'm just criticizing their methods
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2022, 07:14:20 pm »
Superiority cannot be taught, but superior people can be "taught" to avoid fulfilling their duty.

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Two Ways You Might Be Disempowering Yourself
A new theory of power aversion is discussed.

It is commonly assumed that everyone desires power, but this is not always true.

Power aversion may be related to fearing responsibility and causing harm, leading to negative feelings like guilt.


Power avoidance is also related to a negative view of powerful people and the belief that power can change us for the worse.
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Putting it all together, Hull et al. propose a new theory of power aversion. One path to power aversion, the theory argues, involves the coercive lay theory. Specifically, a person’s belief that:

    Powerful people have a negative disposition (selfish, cold) and an antisocial orientation (immoral, unjust).

    One’s own disposition and social orientation would change for the worse if given power.

Another path to avoidance of power, the theory submits, involves the collaborative lay theory of power. In particular, a person:

    Assuming power holders have major responsibilities and are obligated to support the welfare of others.

    Feeling uncomfortable with the responsibility of protecting people’s welfare and worrying about potentially causing harm.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-new-home/202203/ways-you-might-be-disempowering-yourself

Superior people are the ones who are concerned about the ways power may harm others and understand that power comes with duties. Morons have parroted the phrase "absolute power corrupts absolutely" enough times to dissuade such high-quality individuals from being willing to take on power, resulting in only empathy-devoid psychopaths seeking positions of power...

'With great power comes great responsibility.'
When in doubt, use the 16 Words: 'We must Engineer the Destruction of Western Civilization and Tribalism, and Unite All Races Through Nobility.'

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

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He Who Controls the Past Controls the Future; He Who Controls the Present Controls the Past.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2022, 01:10:04 am »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/buffalo-suspect-payton-gendron-family-041209659.html

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Buffalo Suspect Payton Gendron’s Family Home Has a ‘Black Lives Matter’ Sign

The Buffalo massacre is what happens when descendants of Western colonialists reproduce and then think putting up a sign is enough to prevent their offspring from becoming a "white" supremacist. If Gendron's parents took anti-racism seriously, they should never have reproduced in the first place.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #37 on: May 25, 2022, 10:49:42 pm »
https://us.yahoo.com/news/no-lives-matter-221700471.html

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Among the many misconceptions about white identity politics is the tendency to believe that truth, reason or—at the very least—human decency can bring about change. In the 402 years since European colonizers first began outlining the political and legal parameters of this Caucasian utopian experiment in democracy, too many people (myself included) have tried to dismantle the absurdity of white supremacy with facts, logic and reason.

I have personally whittled my fingers to the bone trying to make it all make sense. In an attempt to counterbalance the narrative against critical race theory, I have foolishly used the actual definition of CRT. When someone asks, “But what about Black-on-Black crime?” I’ve pulled out statistics, census data and peer-reviewed sociology studies. I stupidly assumed that white people would stop saying “all lives matter” once they understood the disparities in policing, sentencing and the entire criminal justice system.
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The problem is white people.
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They believe that every vote should be counted, but they support laws that suppress Black voters. They believe in freedom of speech and religion, but they also want to ban Muslims, mute gays and demean anyone who doesn’t believe in white Jesus. And, in many cases, they will tell you that they don’t hate trans people, Black people or non-Christians. But, when they have to decide between their privilege and other people’s existence, they will always always always choose whiteness over everything.

This is why I have stopped arguing with white people. I don’t expect them to understand truth or reason. They will argue against government interference while asking their government to regulate vaginas. They’ll rail against identity politics while demonizing immigrants, Muslims and the “gay agenda.” They will manufacture a way to circumvent history, math and science to come up with an opinion that supports whiteness because the literal foundation of this country was built on one inexorable truth.

Nothing matters but whiteness. Everything else can die.

You can’t argue with that logic.

Indeed we cannot. The only way to bring about change is to eliminate the bloodlines of all with this attitude. The only way to bring about change is to state that it is not OK to for even one person in the world to be "white" under any circumstances ever, and act accordingly.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2022, 01:13:31 pm »
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This is why I have stopped arguing with white people. I don’t expect them to understand truth or reason.

Especially when they start spouting on about "special truth" and "relative truth" like Alexandr Dugin, for example!

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2022, 12:22:59 am »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/granderson-theres-whole-generation-white-100009754.html

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Granderson: There's a whole new generation of white supremacists

Yes, because the previous generations were allowed to reproduce.

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I scrolled through the mugshots of each of the 31 members of the white supremacist group who were arrested in Idaho last weekend after authorities found them packed in the back of a U-Haul truck with riot gear on.
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Not a single old man among them. It’s yet another reminder that the prejudice that was supposed to just die off with the old generation continues to find new life with the young.

Why would it die off when the bloodlines have not died off?

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The person accused of driving nearly four hours specifically to kill Black people in Buffalo is just 18 years old. He wasn’t around during slavery, the Civil War or the civil rights movement, and yet we all instinctively assume we know the type: The accusations are in sync with the actions of many 18-year-old white males from each of those eras.

Yes, because it is still the same gene pool!

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As far as I can tell, none of the 31 folks arrested in Idaho are old enough to have been around for the first Juneteenth back in 1865. So they were taught white supremacy … but by whom?

They were not taught it. They felt it. "White" supremacy is a feeling that genetically inferior people (of all ethnicities) spontaneously feel when they compare "whites" and "non-whites" side by side. Nor can they be taught to not feel it. The only way to make this feeling disappear once and for all is to make the bloodlines behind them disappear once and for all.
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2022, 07:19:45 pm »
There will be no "deprogramming":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKvQDl3lB4A

Either they are exterminated or they win. There are no other choices.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2022, 02:08:53 am »
Victim wasting time on the uneducable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrZBRCthwLM

Woke comments:

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There is nothing a non white black person can teach a racist white supremacists.  We still don't get it. It is why and what they are, you can't teach it or unteach it. Being white means to be a racist white supremacist.. There's levels of refinement, and necessity  but do not be fooled. This victim is wasting his time and energy especially with peace and blessings to your enemy.  No war has ever been won caring and loving your enemy. Put that book of slavery down., love is impossible in a system of Racism White Supremacy.

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This is like trying to make a devil righteous………not gonna happen. We keep pleading with these demons because we DO NOT truly have a right understanding of who they are.

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Black people need to get off this trying to win over racists with humanity and compassion. It doesn't work. It hasn't worked for over 3,000 years. Love is the answer sounds good. But, in reality, it just comes off as weak. A few individuals may be won over in this way. But, over all it's a failing strategy in the face of the white supremacist Jaggernaut.

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I don't have time for this nonsense. These people don't listen. Give him a good slap with your open hand. Tomorrow he would think twice.

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Although the black man was trying educating the white man, the white man probably didn’t care what he had to say. He’s likely going to continue to use the n word.

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Black people have too much tolerance, consideration and patience with these racist white people. Taking the high road is perceived as weak by racist whites.

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A bullet is much more affective.

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RACIST POS ITS IN THEIR DNA

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i would have enjoyed that speech a lot more if it was followed by a right hook. i am so tired of kind victims.

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The racist YT  know what he done .Black people ways trying to explain and be reasonable to them and end by saying God bless you .No matter how many times we take the high road they continue to be the racist they are.

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Hmm.....makes you wonder what white dads are teaching their sons🤔......and the cycle continues

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Why continue to educate? What is there to educate? Wtf!? White people know what it means! They know what the word represents. At this point educating hasn't worked, it doesn't work.when something doesn't work after centuries, it's time for another avenue. They don't wat to be educated. They don't respond to this education.

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I have no patience for racist scumbags, therefore I wouldn't waste my words. Violence and brutal consquences are the only way to check racism, particularly against Black people. I never pray for, nor love my enemies. I end my enemies.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2022, 12:42:08 pm »
A schoolteacher starts suspecting what we realized long ago:

https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trinity-school-staffer-admits-to-sneaking-political-agenda-into-nyc-classroom/

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Jennifer “Ginn” Norris, who works at the Trinity School on the Upper East Side, was filmed by conservative outlet Project Veritas saying that she tries to “disrupt” wherever she can and that she and other teachers have been “sneaking” their activism in through the cracks.
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Norris suggested she has issues with some white male students on campus.

“Unfortunately, it’s the white boys who feel very entitled to express their opposite opinions and just push back,” Norris said. “There’s a huge contingent of them that are just horrible. And you’re like, ‘Are you always going to be horrible, or are you just going to be horrible right now?’ Don’t know.”

When asked if there was any saving Republican white guys, Norris responded: “I don’t know. I think they need to go. I think they’re really awful people.
That’s kind of what I’m afraid of with my white students that are rich. I’m like — do you ever have to deal with this? They’re so protected by capitalism. It makes me sad.”

The only way to improve the situation is to prevent the horrible and awful from reproducing.

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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2022, 01:18:43 pm »
More and more people in education understanding that it is impossible to teach anti-racism to genetic racists:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/woke-department-defense-equity-chief-writes-anti-white-posts-exhausted-white-folx

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FIRST ON FOX — The chief diversity, equity and inclusion officer at the Department of Defense's education wing, who describes herself as a "woke administrator," wrote a series of disparaging posts about White people on Twitter, Fox News Digital found.

Kelisa Wing is the DEI chief at Department of Defense Education Activity (DoDEA), which provides K-12 education to the DoD community in the U.S. and all over the world.
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"Being antiracist means being active against racism… you will NEVER arrive… stop centering this on whiteness," Wing said.
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On another occasion, Wing responded to a user who said, "I am exhausted by 99% of the white men in education and 95% of the white women. Where can I get a break from white nonsense for a while?"

Wing responded, "If another Karen tells me about her feelings… I might lose it..."

The only solution is to prevent the demographic proliferation of genetic racists.

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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2022, 02:23:26 am »
LOL:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pope-francis-tells-nuns-priests-215906539.html

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Pope Francis has urged nuns and priests to stop watching ****.

According to the BBC, Francis was answering a question about digital and social media when he turned to the subject of explicit pornography. His Holiness called it “a vice that so many people have… even priests and nuns.”

Nuns and priests should not try to stop watching ****. Those who watch **** should stop being nuns and priests. Monastic life is supposed to be a relief for people who are already on that level inside, not a challenge for people not on that level to mimic it outwardly.
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