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Re: Communism
« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2022, 10:40:10 pm »
I don't see why we would. Can you elaborate?

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Re: Communism
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2022, 12:06:14 am »
Well I was assuming since they hated White supremacy enough to side with us that would mean something, but I suppose not.

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Re: Communism
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2022, 12:18:53 am »
"since they hated White supremacy enough to side with us"

That's the latter group. Your earlier post was asking about:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/communism/msg16465/#msg16465

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Perhaps not. If siding with us or siding with rightists were the only two options, some might side with us. Specifically, those who love Western civilization more than they hate "white" supremacy will side with rightists, whereas those who hate "white" supremacy more than they love Western civilization will side with us.

Could we expect the former group to have relatively more Aryan blood compared to the latter group?

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Re: Communism
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2022, 12:37:38 am »
My bad. I misspoke. I meant the latter group.  Do you thing they have relatively more Aryan blood compared to the former gorup?

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Re: Communism
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2022, 12:46:21 am »
It is possible, but we should not worry too much about this for now.

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Re: Communism
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2022, 09:53:01 am »
When I see videos of the violent insurrectionists on Jan 6 calling anti-Trump Republicans "traitors", I am reminded of the violent proletarian Bolshevik untermensch, who similarly labeled people they didn't like "class traitors". The MAGACommunism movement is right in that these insurrectionists would be more sympathetic to Communism than leftism.
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Re: Communism
« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2022, 09:32:01 pm »
In keeping with the previous points, I think we can now classify communism as a "center left" ideology (similar to European social democracy) instead of a "far left" ideology, since it is further to the right of even other False Left ideologies such as pure relativism.

What do you think?

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Re: Communism
« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2022, 10:23:10 pm »
This could be confusing, since centre-left usually refers to positions that attempt reform without upsetting existing structures, in contrast to communism has from its outset advocated actively discarding old structures.

It is also confusing to compare communism with relativism, since the former is a political position whereas the latter is a philosophical position.

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Re: Communism
« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2022, 10:43:00 pm »
I agree with your points. But what is a good name for present day ideological False Leftism? Wokeism?

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Re: Communism
« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2022, 10:55:11 pm »
"Wokeism?"

No, we are trying to claim wokeness as a term for the True Left. This is why in so many of my posts I have been describing comments I like as "woke comments". "Woke" must never be used with a negative connotation.

"what is a good name for present day ideological False Leftism?"

Scandinavia-worship:

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/bernie-sanders-nordic-model-finland-american-dream-sanna-marin-2020-2-1028868627

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https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/bernie-sanders/msg5197/#msg5197

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Sanders responded by attempting to distance himself from Venezuela's Bolivarian government, replying to such worries by stating, "When I talk about democratic socialism, I'm not looking at Venezuela. I'm not looking at Cuba. I'm looking at countries like Denmark and Sweden".[206]

See also:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonial-crimes-dw-documentary/msg13464/#msg13464
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Re: Communism
« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2022, 11:55:23 am »
I wanted to mention another thing rightists have in common with communists is the use of economic argumentation to rationalize the behavior of mass shooters and "incels", and more broadly the bad behavior of "white" men.

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Re: Communism
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2022, 01:11:17 pm »
"White" economics have made non-"whites" behave just as badly as "whites" themselves though. Economic considerations seem to be the main driving factor for the spread of "white" bad behavior among non-"white" populations....

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Re: Communism
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2022, 04:45:26 pm »
Rightists use economics to excuse "white" failure but blame "non-white" failure on heredity. This is a different approach than communists, who at least avoid this double-standard and apply economic explanations across the board.