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False Leftists getting leftism wrong
« on: December 16, 2022, 08:44:33 pm »
There are many of these out there, and they deserve a topic of their own. Here is one example.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-aren-t-feminists-backing-133000745.html

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Why aren’t feminists here backing brave woman-led Iranians?

Because only False Leftists are stupid enough to side with the pro-Western anti-regime protestors against the non-Western (and, most importantly, anti-Israel) regime:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg16485/#msg16485

True Leftists understand that the priority is to kill Western civilization first.

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Iranian-Americans were part of #MeToo, she said, and protested the murder of George Floyd right alongside everyone else. “But now our young people are being killed for standing up for their human rights, and where is everybody?”

Weinstein is a Westerner. Chauvin is a Westerner. Khamenei is not a Westerner. Duh!

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Yet “where are the feminists” who you’d have thought would have been first to support the woman-led movement set off by Amini’s murder?

Who cares whether a movement is woman-led? What matters is whether a movement is anti-Western! This is a fundamentally pro-Western movement. Therefore we oppose it. It is that simple.

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not one of the state California lawmakers and other officials invited to stop by did.

Doing so could have been more than an act of courtesy. In some European countries, including Germany and Sweden, lawmakers have unofficially “adopted” an incarcerated activist, bringing international attention to that person’s story in the hope that this spotlight might save his or her life.

Thank you for the demonstration of False Leftist anti-American Eurocentric cue-taking.

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Another activist said that earlier in the day, she had knocked on every door of every member of the California assembly, and talked to many staff members, hoping to interest someone in coming down to the vigil to have a bowl of Persian Ash Reshteh and at least learn about what some European lawmakers are doing to help.

“Not one person showed up,” she said.

We despise your Eurocentrism. American True Leftists prefer to take cues from our fellow non-Western countries, not from former Western colonial powers.

Some commenters get it (though many of these are probably rightists):

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Maybe they see the US as a poo poo stirrer and do not believe our news anymore.

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feminists tend to be liberals and democrats. those are people who love muslims and hate Jews.

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Because there's no evil white man to blame in Iran.

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Feminists are not stupid. They don't want to be accused of inciting Islamophobia

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American “feminists” are nothing of the sort.  Theyre simply white-male haters.

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They risk losing their Twitter "woke" bandwagon points and being called Islamophobic if they go after Muslim regimes.

Here is a False Leftist commenter for contrast:

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to fix the problems in MIDDLE EAST starts with Iran ! people in Iran they are ready for democracy and democratic government !!

False Leftists are useful idiots.

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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2022, 07:19:04 pm »
https://www.yahoo.com/news/whoopi-goldberg-faces-scrutiny-over-235231598.html

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Whoopi Goldberg is facing fresh scrutiny for remarks about the Holocaust after she previously drew backlash for claiming the genocide was not “about race.”

Firstly, there is no reason to believe there was a 'Holocaust'. We should treat with scepticism any alleged event that is illegal to investigate in the very country where it was supposed to have happened.

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Times journalist Janice Turner pushed back, noting to the 67-year-old actress and comedian the race laws Nazi Germany officials implemented targeting Jewish people.

When Turner reiterated that “Nazis saw Jews as a race,” Goldberg replied: “Yes, but that’s the killer, isn’t it? The oppressor is telling you what you are. Why are you believing them? They’re Nazis. Why believe what they’re saying?”

National Socialist Germany only saw Jews as a race because Jews themselves saw themselves as a race first, which Jews have been doing since Tanakh times. Goldberg ludicrously makes it sound like Jews never thought of themselves as descendants of Jacob until Hitler told them they were!

Ironically, Goldberg is actually correct that we should not believe oppressors who tell us what we are. Yet the true oppressors are the Western colonialists who introduced terms such as "black" that Goldberg(!) thinks is something real.

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“It doesn’t change the fact that you could not tell a Jew on a street,” Goldberg added. “You could find me. You couldn’t find them.”

Gestapo members were trained to spot Jews by their non-Aryan faces, for example:



Goldberg also a non-Aryan face (note the resemblance - she literally looks like Foxman in blackface with a wig!):



so Gestapo members could surely pick her out by the physiognomic criteria they would have used to pick out Foxman. (Let's not yet started about her surname.....) Skin colour is irrelevant.

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Goldberg said in apologizing earlier this year that her support for Jewish people would “never waiver.”

That's the other problem.

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Anti-Whiteness
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2023, 06:37:33 pm »
Leftist explains the difference between "White" saviors and True Leftists:
https://twitter.com/IMPFneinPlural/status/1614299202640809986?s=20
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I believe in community, not Big Gov altruism
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The biggest difference between Leftists who are White Saviors, & those who genuinely care about non-White people, is the ability to listen & process.

White Saviors, by & large, have ignored voices from cultural minorities who told them not to trust their colonizer governments.
I believe in community, not Big Gov altruism
https://twitter.com/IMPFneinPlural/status/1614300906039963648?s=20
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@IMPFneinPlural
Instead of listening, White Saviors, like the unhinged, misogynistic, war criminal Prysner, & many others, rage that those that do not get the clot shot are killing people with their stupidity, selfishness, & lack of trust in altruistic Western governments.
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2023, 06:59:52 pm »
I can't stand "white" saviour movies such as Avatar. Here is a good example in the dialogue of the lack of ability to listen and process:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/quotes/qt4155323

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Moat: It is hard to fill a cup that is already full.

Jake Sully: My cup is empty. Trust me.

This exchange perfectly captures the contradictory essence of the "white" saviour: he thinks he knows better than the person he himself is desperate to learn from! But if so, why the desperation to learn from that person? (And worse, the movie shows him soon succeeding, in effect validating the "white" saviour worldview.....)

(True Leftists despise not only Sully, but the Na'vi (Gentiles) also:

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Neytiri: You are like a baby. Making noise, don't know what to do.

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Neytiri: You have a strong heart. No fear. But stupid! Ignorant like a child!

These lines were supposed to make Neytiri sound wise, but they just make her sound adult. With that said, this is an accurate portrayal of Gentilism, which has no concept of Original Nobility.)
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2023, 07:13:15 pm »
At the very least, I commend James Cameron for being vegan, because he’s pretty famous so it’ll further normalize the lifestyle. At the celebration he organized for the premier of Avatar 2, all the food was plant-based

But I do agree that the way James Cameron presents his own franchise is almost quintessential false leftism. There was a thread online that someone created, where they asked fans if the Avatar franchise had made them vegan (I’m assuming because of the producer’s self-proclaimed veganism and the franchise’s emphasis on the relationship between the Na’vi and their companion animals). And the one comment that I really think said it all, was something to the effect of “Why would I go vegan? The Na’vi themselves aren’t even vegan”. I think that’s the main issue with the franchise in my book, outside of the fact that it doesn’t really have an interesting story to tell and is just eye candy. It doesn’t really emphasize the unfortunate nature of the lifestyle of the Na’vi. In fact, it glorifies it.

There’s also another piece of unintentional symbolism that the franchise provides: If you look into the lore provided outside of the movies, Eywa, the goddess of the Na’vi, embodied by their sacred tree, is implied to have destroyed every single attempt at civilization the Na’vi have ever made, in an effort to preserve the balance of nature. This implies that the only two options are gentilism (“the noble savage”), or progressive “civilization”. This is obviously wrong, because we support regressivism AND value civility. True civility
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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2023, 07:28:10 pm »
It also glorifies reproductive Eurocentrism IMO.

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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2023, 07:38:56 pm »
"gentilism (“the noble savage”), or progressive “civilization”."

I wouldn't even say that Gentilism is contrary to progressivism. Hunting equipment and tactics became consistently more efficient over time even within the Paleolithic era (enabling hunting of more and more types of prey previously too difficult to hunt), therefore a Gentile would have no reason to be nostalgic for the past, but instead should only expect the future to be even better.

"It also glorifies reproductive Eurocentrism IMO."

Don't get me started about The Last Samurai.

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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2023, 11:29:31 pm »
"I wouldn't even say that Gentilism is contrary to progressivism."
Hence why Gentiles are False Leftists/progressives

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Re: False Leftists getting leftism wrong
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2023, 05:50:09 pm »
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171112216/fat-talk-diet-culture-parenting-kids-virginia-sole-smith

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On how thinness upholds white supremacy

The thin ideal is definitely a white ideal.

No:



As I keep explaining, thinness is a warm habitat adaptation:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/

whereas:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/blood-memory/msg19059/#msg19059

Seriously:

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Sole-Smith, who herself identifies as "small fat,"



Go to any of the countries in green on the above map and see if that is how people of your size over there are described!
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Why the Idea of Western Civilization is More Myth Than History
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Naoíse Mac Sweeney on Writing a New History of the West
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One weekend, I found my younger son at the kitchen table, carefully writing out everything he knew about the Olympian gods for his school homework. His brow was furrowed, and he trained his eyes on the page with a level of concentration that I wish he would pay to his maths homework. So I asked him—casually, I thought—why he was so interested in the ancient Greeks. He beamed up at me with an angelic smile and answered, “Because that’s what you study, Mama.”

At this point, my heart nearly burst with parental pride. I am a Professor of Classical Archaeology and the ancient Greeks are, quite literally, my bread and butter. But my heart sank when my son added as an afterthought, “and because the Greeks gave us Western Civilization.” Buckle up, kid, I thought, you’re in for a lecture.

I wanted to tell him that the ancient Greeks did not give us Western Civilization. That there is no golden thread, unfurling unbroken through time from Plato to NATO.That we in the modern West are not the heirs of a unique and elevated cultural tradition, stretching back through Atlantic modernity to Enlightenment and Renaissance Europe, and from there through the darkness of the medieval period and ultimately back to the glories of classical Greece and Rome...

Some of the best forms of Christianity in Europe arose from "the darkness of the medieval period": https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/catharism-the-'good-christians'/
Compared to the Judeo-Christianity that was by then dominant in Europe during the Enlightenment and Renaissance periods: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/

It was also the Judeo-Christianity of the Enlightenment and Renaissance period which ultimately lead to the formation of "white" and "black" identity in Colonial America prior to the anti-Western American War of Independence: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-curse-of-ham-or-hamitic-myth/

Continuing with the article:

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For most of us, it seems normal—even natural—to think of Western history in these terms. Unthinkingly, we assume that the modern West is the custodian of a privileged inheritance, passed down through a kind of cultural genealogy that we usually refer to as “Western Civilization.”

It is a version of history that is all around us, set out in popular textbooks, encoded implicitly into children’s stories and Hollywood movies, and proclaimed loudly and sometimes even angrily by commentators on both sides of the political spectrum. But it is a version of history that is simply wrong.

Perhaps the greatest centre of medieval classical learning when it came to the sciences was in Baghdad, the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate.

So, why is Islam not as responsible for the devastation the Industrial Revolution has wreaked on the planet and life in general? Because ultimately Islam has never been anthropocentric at it's core as Judaism always has been, nor was Islam's main prophet: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/inspired-by-muhammad/

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/islamic-golden-age-philosophy-and-humanities/
               
Continuing:

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Research points to a different version of Western history. I have myself spent two decades of my professional life uncovering how ancient Greeks and Romans were much more diverse than we might think. They were neither predominantly white nor predominantly European, and indeed did not conceive of racial and geographical categories in the same way that we now do. As a result, the monks of western Europe, laboriously copying Latin manuscripts in their dusty scriptoria, were not the only medieval heirs of classical antiquity.

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/what-did-the-romans-think-about-race/

Continuing further:

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So too were the merchants of fourteenth century Sudan, conducting their trade in Greek; and so too were the Buddhist sculptors of northern India and Pakistan, who drew on the artistic traditions of the Indo-Greek kingdoms.

But perhaps the greatest centre of medieval classical learning when it came to the sciences was in Baghdad, the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate, where classical scholarship was fused with new philosophical and scientific developments drawn from across Asia, Africa, and Europe.

Put simply, the real history of the West is much richer and much more complex than the traditional grand narrative of Western Civilization acknowledges. It is not a golden thread but a golden tapestry—in which strands of diverse peoples, cultures, and ideas have been woven together over the centuries.

Our notion of Western Civilization is then demonstrably wrong, proven to be factually incorrect again and again by the mounting weight of historical and archaeological research. So where did the idea come from anyway? And why do we still cling to a version of Western history that we know to be untrue?

Western Civilization sure does love it's gold: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/
And, Western Civilization sure does love to steal from non-Westerners: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonization-of-africa/
                                                                                                                  https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-as-viewed-by-westerners/
                                                                                                                  https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-and-sexism/
                                                                                                                  https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-'black'-and-'white'-identity-politics-scam/
                                                                                                                  https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonial-crimes-dw-documentary/

Continuing:

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The roots of the grand narrative lie in the Renaissance, when European thinkers began to engage more intensively with Greek and Roman antiquity. But the idea of a coherent “West,” bound together by its shared classical heritage, its Christianity, Judeo-Christianity and its common geography did not emerge until several centuries later.


Western Culture is literally also known as "Judeo-Greco-Christian Culture"...

See also: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
                https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/catharism-the-'good-christians'/

Further from the article:

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The founding fathers found inspiration in the classical world not only for their revolutionary fervor, but also for how to justify the inconsistencies at the heart of the revolutionary movement.

Westerners using Judeo-Greco-Christian culture to justify the inconsistencies in their hearts, no way, you don't say!?!?!?  :o  ;D

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As late as the sixteenth century, there were attempts to build an alliance between the protestant powers of northern Europe and the Muslim Ottoman Empire, in coalition against their common enemies, the Catholics of central and southern Europe—implying a very different civilizational configuration from the one which we now take for granted today.

It was only with the expansion of European overseas imperialism Colonialism over the course of the seventeenth century that a more coherent idea of the West began to emerge, being deployed as a conceptual tool to draw the distinction between the type of people who could legitimately be colonised, and those who could legitimately be colonizers...

Read that last sentence in red a couple of times!

And, Protestants and Catholics are still Judeo-Christians alike, they are merely two opposing factions of the same exact thing!!!

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With the invention of the West came the invention of Western history—an elevated and exclusive lineage that provided an historical justification for the Western domination.According to the English jurist and philosopher Francis Bacon, there were only three periods of learning and civilization in human history: “one among the Greeks, the second among the Romans, and the last among us, that is to say, the nations of Western Europe.”

But if the West and its history was invented in the imperial capitals of seventeenth century Europe, the notion of Western Civilization was born in the eighteenth century on the battlefields of revolutionary North America.

From Adams to Washington, the founding fathers found inspiration in the classical world not only for their revolutionary fervor, but also for how to justify the inconsistencies at the heart of the revolutionary movement—the cry for a freedom that permitted Black slavery, and the rejection of imperial Colonial shackles whilst continuing to impose them on others. It was the privileged inheritance of Western Civilization, the cultural and intellectual correlate of race, that justified the differential treatment of different groups of Americans.

Western Civilization is therefore not just a myth in the sense that it is a fiction that we tell ourselves, despite knowing that it is factually false. It is a myth that was invented to justify slavery, imperialism, and oppression. As such, it served the ideological needs of the time of its invention, reflecting the core values of the society that produced it...
Rest of the article: https://lithub.com/why-the-idea-of-western-civilization-is-more-myth-than-history/

There is a huge difference between someone who takes inspiration from Socrates, or Plato, to someone who takes inspiration from Aristotle!: https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
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