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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #60 on: July 02, 2021, 10:37:56 pm »


A good effort, but reproductive potential does not appear to have been removed, so unfortunately another failure. Why stab if you can shoot? If you are a knife-fighting expert, it is true that a knife is a better weapon than a gun at close quarters, but clearly this Ahimsa activist was not, so why not use the gun?

About the Jew:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boston-rabbi-stabbing-suspect-denied-233925494.html

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Rabbi Shlomo Noginski
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Noginski, a father of 12
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The family eventually moved to Israel where Noginski became a successful businessman and was a city councilman at one point. He moved to Boston to serve the city's Russian-speaking Jewish community

This is what happens when you don't remove their reproductive potential early enough.
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #61 on: July 08, 2021, 10:48:17 pm »
https://us.yahoo.com/huffpost/tennessee-cop-knocked-unconscious-allegedly-220540711.html

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“I didn’t know they let Black people into the reception,” 22-year-old KPD officer Tanner Holt reportedly told a Black man just moments before he was knocked unconscious.

Unfortunately no reproductive potential appears to have been eliminated. Therefore while it is nice to hear about, it is ultimately useless.

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #62 on: July 23, 2021, 11:43:53 pm »
https://www.cp24.com/news/man-charged-in-two-hate-motivated-attacks-targeting-toronto-s-jewish-community-wanted-on-surety-warrant-1.5520992

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Toronto police have issued a surety warrant for a man charged in two separate attacks targeting the city’s Jewish community earlier this month.

In a news release issued Friday, police said that Michael Park, 32, was “originally” released on bail with a surety, but added that this is “no longer the case.”

The first incident occurred on July 6 at 8 a.m. at Stanley Park, in the area of King Street West and Walnut Avenue.

At that time, police said that a man with a non-permanent drawing of a swastika on his chest was yelling anti-Semitic slurs towards an individual.

The man then allegedly assaulted a person by throwing an unidentified object at them. The suspect was located by police in a nearby area and arrested. He was charged with interfere with use and enjoyment of park by others, use profane/abusive language in park, and assault with a weapon.

Four days later, police said officers responded to a call for an assault near Yonge Street and Glen Elm Street at 10:30 a.m.

In that incident, police said the suspect was walking northbound on Yonge Street when he showed a victim walking in the opposite direction a non-permanent drawing of a swastika on his chest.

The suspect then began hurling anti-Semitic slurs at a group of people, according to police, before being confronted by the victim about his language.

Police said the victim was punched “multiple times” by the man.

For better results, Park could consider using a firearm.

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According to Toronto police, Jews were targeted in approximately 30 per cent of all hate crimes in the city in 2020, the highest proportion of any one group.

For good reason.

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Since it's Friday here's some Karenism that the conclusion of will make you smile to kick off the weekend!

Karen In HOA Dispute Gets WHOMPED
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Karen gets into an HOA dispute with a neighbor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1oVNw2jiQ8

I condone this type of justified retaliatory violence. 

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2021, 10:18:44 pm »
Unfortunately she didn't get the Samuel Paty treatment. It is not even clear that any reproductive potential has been removed. If you are going to do retaliatory violence anyway, why not make it demographically consequential?

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2021, 09:51:44 pm »
Morale-lifting story of the day:

https://vdare.com/posts/his-name-is-steven-butler-white-14-year-old-abducted-and-brutally-murdered-by-black-man



For once, the fish has been avenged. And with the fish tormentor dead at 14, it is exceedingly likely that reproductive potential has been removed.

Also note the face shapes: not only does the fish tormentor look as subhuman as we would expect, but also our Ahimsa hero even looks his part!

https://newschannel20.com/news/local/man-hit-14-year-old-repeatedly-with-axe-prosecutors-say

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Prosecutors allege Vandyke killed Butler by hitting him repeatedly with an axe or an edged tool.

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2021, 01:54:02 am »
While it's a good thing that Steven Butler is no longer capable of harming sentient beings, I don't think Vandyke actually had any justifiable reason for the crime. It's highly probable that this man's victim could have just as easily been someone that we would consider respectable, since we have no motive, and I highly doubt that he committed the crime out of compassion for fish. Ahimsa isn't random violence that just so happens to be perpetrated against someone we don't like. It requires that the person is aware of initiated violence, and feels compelled to action by it, to retaliate. Maybe this isn't what you meant by the post, but I think that we should have higher standards for the kinds of people that make it onto the ahimsa thread, because adding people like this just makes us look bad, and it allows our enemies to discredit us
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2021, 01:57:32 am »
We have discussed this topic on the blog here:
http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/when-history-is-written-by-leftists-contd/comment-page-1/#comment-183326

It is possible for even ignoble people to practice ahimsa. Therefore this is consistent with @90sRetrofan praising the action, but not necessarily the person doing the action himself (except for only when he did the action).
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2021, 02:15:12 am »
@rp I agree with the examples that AS lists in that blog comment. I concede that I would define those as cases of ahimsa perpetrated by someone ignoble. But I still disagree in labeling the Vandyke case as a case of ahimsa. If the perpetrator isn't doing it to stop initiated violence, then it isn't ahimsa. It's simply more initiated violence that just so happens to be perpetrated against someone we don't like. With the examples that AS provides of the individual retaliating against perpetrators of sexual violence, and the individual going out of their way to hunt predators, their reason for doing those things is at least out of an awareness of initiated violence. This probably isn't true for Vandyke. What happened in this case is more akin to karma. The boy got a taste of what he dishes out to fish (and possibly land animals) on a regular basis, and we should just leave it at that
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2021, 02:17:15 am »
You raise some good points. Perhaps @90sRetroFan could clarify his stance, then.

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2021, 02:22:37 am »
"I highly doubt that he committed the crime out of compassion for fish"

Most readers of the Tanakh highly doubt that Cain killed Abel out of compassion for the lambs (Abel's victims). But our interpretation is that that was indeed Cain's motive, because we give people benefit of doubt in absence of contrary information. I simply applied the same standards to Vandyke as I did to Cain. I do not recall you complaining about our interpretation of Cain, so I would be interested to hear why you have different standards for Vandyke.

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2021, 02:40:54 am »
@90sRetroFan Because a lot of the stories in the Bible are historically dubious enough to the point where the only real usefulness that can be extracted from them, is the archetypes that they represent. For one, Cain was the archetypal farmer, and Abel was the archetypal herder. Combined with the fact that Abel's offering of flesh was what set off Cain's murder attempt, there's at least some evidence that what Cain did was justified. There is zero evidence in the case of Vandyke. Again, we have no motive at all. All we know is that some random man killed some random boy who we happen to dislike. Even if it were true that, one, the story of Cain and Abel actually happened, and that two, Cain really did not kill Abel for the reason we would consider justifiable, then I would accept the fact that Cain isn't someone to admire or even to respect. If the criteria for who this guy murders has nothing to do with whether they initiate violence, then there's no real reason to label him a hero

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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2021, 02:45:29 am »
As a side note, I think it's worth mentioning that even if I wanted to give Vandyke the benefit of the doubt, it doesn't make strategic sense for us to do so. If we posted the mugshots of every single guy who just so happened to kill someone we don't like, then we'd have thousands upon thousands of examples, and 0.001% of them would turn out to be anybody notable when further information comes to light. I'd rather just use this thread as an opportunity to shed light on those who are definitively noble, so that the cases we post on here aren't just filler
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2021, 03:42:48 am »
"All we know is that some random man killed some random boy"

We know Vandyke knew Butler:

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the suspect was an acquaintance of the boy’s father

It does not seem contrived to assume he was aware of Butler's cruel hobby, or had encountered other but similar manifestations of Butler's cruelty. If I knew Butler and had killed him, avenging his victims would surely be my motive for doing so. Thus for me to not at least start off by assuming Vandyke did so for the same motive would be dishonourable, as it amounts to expecting less of him than I would expect of myself.

"If we posted the mugshots of every single guy who just so happened to kill someone we don't like"

That's not what we do. I only drew attention to this story because our enemies drew attention to it first, just as I only talk about Cain and Abel because Judaism talked about them first. This is about turning our enemies' stories against them by changing the way people interpret these stories.


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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2021, 02:46:37 pm »
"That's not what we do. I only drew attention to this story because our enemies drew attention to it first"

That's true. Fair enough