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True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« on: October 02, 2021, 11:48:38 pm »
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00031224211041094

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Our results indicate that higher education liberalizes moral concerns for most students, but it also departs from the standard liberal profile by promoting moral absolutism rather than relativism.

Leftists are becoming moral absolutists. Thus by definition, leftists are ceasing to be liberals. This is also known as wokeness.

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Some contemporary accounts depict universities as puritanically committed to a liberal “culture of victimhood” (Campbell and Manning 2018; Lukianoff and Haidt 2018; Pluckrose and Lindsay 2020), a fact seemingly at odds with previous critiques of “permissive” moral relativism (Hunter 1991; Wuthnow 1989).

A relativist can never be sure who is the victim in any encounter, whereas a culture of victimhood demands certainty among the victims that they are victims. Thus it is logically necessary that wokeness is anti-relativist.

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Orthodoxy sees moral truth as coming from an “external, definable, and transcendent authority” that provides fixed standards for behavior (Hunter 1991:44). Progressivism, on the other hand, regards moral truth as relative and subject to revision according to the evolving needs of humans and societies. Orthodoxy is generally associated with political conservatism, and progressivism is tied to liberalism.

This is why I keep saying we are not progressives. True Leftism is better labelled as heterodoxy: we still believe in fixed standards of behaviour, just not the standards rightists believe in! An even better description is to say, as was said in ancient times: we and they worship different gods. (They of course worship Yahweh, whereas we worship the true God. But those who revise morality "according to the evolving needs of humans" in fact also worship Yahweh by prioritizing human interests. This is why we say False Leftists are closer to rightists than to True Leftists.

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Moral Foundations Theory (MFT) posits five innate psychological foundations that trigger automatic gut-reactions and motivate judgments of right and wrong (Haidt 2012). These include the “individualizing” foundations of care and justice—individualizing in that they privilege the well-being of individuals—and the “binding” foundations of loyalty, authority, and sanctity that serve to uphold social order. Conservatives in the United States endorse individualizing and binding foundations about equally. Liberals emphasize individualizing foundations somewhat more strongly than conservatives and place much less weight on binding foundations (Graham et al. 2009; Koleva et al. 2012).

This is misleading. Leftists are trying to destroy the Western social order, so at present must undermine binding foundations as a matter of strategy. This does not imply that, should a time one day come when we have built a social order based on leftist values, we would be similarly nonchalant about binding foundations then. While there may exist genuine liberals who will always try to undermine binding foundations (irrespective of what kind of social order they hold together), they are to be distinguished from True Leftists who are merely opposed to the binding foundations of the currently predominant social order, not to binding foundations in general. We are not against loyalty, just against loyalty to Western civilization! We are not against authority, just against the authority of Westerners. We are not against sanctity, just against the sanctity of Eurocentrism.

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Egalitarian values concerned with minority group rights became a hallmark of the growing college-educated class, distinguishing them from the “outmoded” or “bigoted” traditionalism of the less educated.

These are not necessarily egalitarian values. It is perfectly possible to be concerned with a minority not because you believe the minority is equal to the majority, but because you believe the minority to be superior to the majority.

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Recent accounts indicate that trends toward identity-based morality may have evolved into a “culture of victimhood” on college campuses (Campbell and Manning 2018; Lukianoff and Haidt 2018; Pluckrose and Lindsay 2020). According to Campbell and Manning (2018), victimhood culture grants moral status to those who suffer, valorizes those who vigilantly monitor conduct for signs of oppression, and treats opposition to its ideals as severe offenses.

This is poorly described. Those (victims) who suffer as a consequence of violence initiated by others are not the same as those (oppressors) who suffer as a consequence of retaliatory violence to the violence they initiated. The latter receive no status no matter how much they suffer.

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these developments raise the intriguing possibility that higher education encourages a modified liberal morality: although the college-educated share a high level of concern for others and relatively low concern for traditional social order, they depart from the common liberal profile by infusing their beliefs with a sense of moral certainty, which is seemingly at odds with an emphasis on moral relativism.

So why still call it liberal? Just call it woke or True Leftist!

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Smith (2014) advances similar conclusions in his reflection on American sociology, arguing that sociologists are engaged in a “sacred project” aimed at achieving individual emancipation, self-determination, and personal affirmation for all people (cf. Martin 2016).

If the idea of a sacred project is possible in leftist minds, this proves that sanctity remains a leftist value, and hence that such leftists are indeed not liberals (who have been defined as disbelievers in sanctity).

With that said, the woke obviously do not want individual emancipation, self-determination and personal affirmation for oppressors, so the idea that we want these for all people is nonsense. In fact, we want all oppressors burning in hell for eternity.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2022, 08:18:40 pm »
Keep fat-shaming in order to accentuate our divergence from False Leftism!

https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/university-of-illinois-chicago-wants-to-cancel-racist-word-obesity/

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The University of Illinois Chicago’s school of public health published an article by a dietitian claiming the medical term is “racist” and should be replaced with the wordy term “people with larger bodies.”

How about "people with larger carbon footprints because of their larger bodies"?

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Author Amanda Montgomery, RN, argued that race scientists used “fatness and differing body characteristics” to classify black people as “less civilized” and “as a way to justify slavery, racism and classism, and control women,” according to her health brief, entitled “Addressing weight stigma and fatphobia in public health.”

In reality, of course:



Fat is a cold winter adaptation, you False Leftist idiot:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/temperature-effects/

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Montgomery also contends that losing weight “has detrimental effects on our physiology” and many people can’t become thinner because of “uncontrollable genetic or environmental factors.”

But they can voluntarily refrain from reproducing. Imagine how much better the world would be if the next generation were populated solely by the offspring of people in the green areas!

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Obesity is defined by the World Health Organization as having a body mass index over 30. The organization says the condition is “preventable” by eating healthy food and engaging in regular exercise.

A person’s BMI is calculated by dividing their body weight in kilograms by their height in meters squared. The medical community considers a “healthy” BMI to be between 20 and 25.

Montgomery argues that the BMI is a flawed measurement that is “not representative of the entire human population,” because it does not consider health behaviors or body composition.

This is true. Non-ectomorphs can become low-BMI via dieting. They are still not ectomorphs. Therefore ectomorph supremacism makes more sense than low-BMI supremacism.

Recall:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg13049/#msg13049

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Re: Psychological decolonization
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2022, 09:06:57 pm »
Your post just reminded me of this: (12 years old now)

Southwest Airlines Boots Skinny Woman Off Plane for Fat Passenger
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Southwest Airlines recently kicked a skinny woman off a plane to make room for an oversized 14-year-old girl who needed two seats, a move that has prompted at least one expert to call for airlines to start selling a handful of special big seats on flights for bigger Americans.

Normally, we hear about passengers who are too fat to fly -- people so obese that they can't squeeze into their chair and never thought to purchase a second ticket. Remember when Southwest booted Clerk's director and actor Kevin Smith from a flight in February because of his heft?

But this time it was a 5-foot-4, 110-pound Sacramento, Calif.-area woman who was forced from the plane.

"It didn't seem right that I should have to leave to accommodate someone who had only paid for one seat," the anonymous woman told the Sacramento Bee.

The catch here is that the woman was flying standby and paid full fare for the last available seat on the flight from Las Vegas to Sacramento, and the extra-large passenger here happened to be a 14-year-old girl traveling on her own.
https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/fat-fly-southwest-airlines-skinny-woman-booted-off/story?id=11262521

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2022, 12:41:44 am »
https://us.yahoo.com/lifestyle/sydney-sweeneys-micro-mini-outfit-body-positivity-213845522.html

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Why Sydney Sweeney’s micromini outfit feels like a threat to body positivity: 'So coveted yet unachievable'
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Although Sweeney pulls it off beautifully, reluctance from onlookers to praise the outfit has less to do with the styling than it does the messaging about beauty and body standards.

Firstly, no, she does not pull it off beautifully. Here is the photo:



As I have mentioned before, thin body and short/wide face is one of the worst combinations. On the other hand, I of course disagree with the False Leftists (who ironically are incapable of perceiving the ugliness I just described):

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"No shade to beautiful Sydney... but I'm sad we're seeing more of this ULTRA low rise waist and ULTRA flat tummy look again," one person commented on the Instagram post. "So coveted yet unachievable for so many of us with different builds."

Yes, so don't covet it. Just admire those who have it effortlessly. (Not Sweeney, though, because of her face shape as already explained.)

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"This set is created with this very thin body in mind. It's not created for plus and so that in and of itself is frustrating," Gianluca Russo, co-founder of the Power of Plus, previously told Yahoo Life. "A lot of it, too, feels very glorifying of a body type that we've been working against actively for many years now. The body type is very reminiscent of the early 2000s, when we had all these big conversations around anorexia and fashion and bulimia and how these models were treated back in the day, which is not great. And for a lot of people it feels kind of triggering."

Yes, because you look like this:



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Tyler McCall, editor-in-chief of Fashionista.com, also analyzed the trend on her social media in early March, writing that it "reminds me of the thin-at-any-cost mentality of the aughts."

And you look like this:



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"It's still operating on the same model, which is to let trends be dictated by people who are thin and then let it trickle down until it reaches size inclusivity rather than letting a plus-size body like Paloma or Precious [Lee] and Ashley [Graham] and all of them help to lead the trends," he explained, noting that microminis aren't only styled on slim bodies, but also remain exclusively accessible for that body type. "You would hope it would come back in a new inventive way and I think the way it came back was so reminiscent of the way it started, and that's kind of on this exclusionary model."

Thin people waste less cloth per garment, you moron. Why should cloth-wasters (ie. you) be the ones allowed to set trends for clothes?

(I never even understood why larger-sized versions of the same garment cost the same as the smaller-sized versions, given that the former require more cloth to make. This is measurably unfair to those who purchase the latter. If I was in charge of pricing, I would scale up the price of all garments in proportion to size. Similarly, in a fair society, the price of public transport tickets should be scaled according to each passenger's weight, and so on.)

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"Millennials currently having a collective panic attack at the prospect of fitting back into low rise bottoms and crop tops,

I weigh less today than I weighed when 9/11 happened. Anyone whose weight increases with age after completing height growth should be prohibited from reproducing.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2022, 04:55:17 am »
I think fat-shaming could be a problem in North Korea considering the leader and his grandfather and father.





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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2022, 09:50:26 pm »
Subhuman unintentionally lists ways in which plus-size is inferior:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/woman-shared-her-plus-size-015833575.html

Read the list (and look at the digusting photos) over there. I will jump straight to:

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"The industry needs to realize that the average woman is no longer a size 14. They are now a size 18 and beyond. Yet as we’ve gotten bigger, things like airplane seats, clothing, and everything else has gotten smaller or stayed the exact same."

Yes, because reducing carbon footprint is more important than catering to subhumans.

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"To see a true change, the industry needs to stop ignoring the needs of plus-size individuals and start expanding to meet our needs and become truly inclusive,"

No.

Many comments agree:

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Well, it's also not fair if you have to share space with her because she overflows the seats.

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Looks like a you problem not a they problem, fatty.

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This woman needs to buy two seats on a plane.  She is way too fat and my rights as a normal sized person are being infringed having to be squeezed next to this sweaty tub of lard.  I am completely sick of these entitled gluttons.

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If you "can't" lose weight please tell the thousands that die daily of starvation your secret.

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One thing I hate about travelling is being seated next to plus-size travelers.

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Why should the world change to accomodate a large person? Perhaps she should make some changes. Fat entitlement is getting annoying. For real.

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This is a disgusting story.  Look at that woman.  People like her drive health care costs up every year.  She should be ashamed of being such a greedy little pig.  And yes, I am body shaming this whale.

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Airline flights are a commodity. You are paying for the space you occupy on the plane. It’s literally just like sending a package through the mail. Most domestic flights offer seats with sufficient space for a plus size person to sit comfortably and lower their tray table. It’s called First Class.

I still stand by my longtime proposition that all public transport tickets should be scaled in price according to passenger weight.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2022, 10:52:20 pm »
The liberals also behave like this. If they told to solve the conflicts and quarrel between two peoples or two groups. They rather being neutral rather than struggle to know who are the really victim of the quarrels and conflicts. Because according to them, side with the one of a people or person is "biased". And the category of victim and oppressors is relative according to them. They don't know what the exact category of oppression and the victim of oppression. Or they know, but not want to acknowledge that it's the true category...

That is really insulting to the every victim who attempt to ask help to them and hope their assistance...

So, the neutral people mean they still have possibility to side with the oppressors. But they not openly declare it to the victim. So they are also can be considered a target of the resistance and counter-offensive. For example, history of Operation Weserübung and Operation Fall Gelb.

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The Five Universal Laws of Human Stupidity
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2022, 07:58:37 pm »
As this article mentions, stupid people do actually cause harm to other's through their stupidity. In that regard, stupidity is not funny at all!

The Five Universal Laws of Human Stupidity
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We underestimate the stupid, and we do so at our own peril.

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Stupid people, Carlo M. Cipolla explained, share several identifying traits: they are abundant, they are irrational, and they cause problems for others without apparent benefit to themselves, thereby lowering society’s total well-being. There are no defenses against stupidity, argued the Italian-born professor, who died in 2000. The only way a society can avoid being crushed by the burden of its idiots is if the non-stupid work even harder to offset the losses of their stupid brethren.
This forum is a great example of how much work people have to put in an attempt to cut through all the stupid and get at the truth.
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Law 1: Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
No matter how many idiots you suspect yourself surrounded by, Cipolla wrote, you are invariably lowballing the total. This problem is compounded by biased assumptions that certain people are intelligent based on superficial factors like their job, education level, or other traits we believe to be exclusive of stupidity. They aren’t.
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Law 2: The probability that a certain person be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
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Law 3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
Cipolla called this one the Golden Law of stupidity. A stupid person, according to the economist, is one who causes problems for others without any clear benefit to himself.

The uncle unable to stop himself from posting fake news articles to Facebook? Stupid. The customer service representative who keeps you on the phone for an hour, hangs up on you twice, and somehow still manages to screw up your account? Stupid.

This law also introduces three other phenotypes that Cipolla says co-exist alongside stupidity. First there is the intelligent person, whose actions benefit both himself and others. Then there is the bandit, who benefits himself at others’ expense. And lastly there is the helpless person, whose actions enrich others at his own expense. Cipolla imagined the four types along a graph, like this:

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The non-stupid are a flawed and inconsistent bunch. Sometimes we act intelligently, sometimes we are selfish bandits, sometimes we act helplessly and are taken advantage of by others, and sometimes we’re a bit of both. The stupid, in comparison, are paragons of consistency, acting at all times with unyielding idiocy. However, consistent stupidity is the only consistent thing about the stupid. This is what makes stupid people so dangerous.
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Law 4: Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.
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Law 5: A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.
I think we would argue that those that initiate violence are the most dangerous...

An interesting parallel:

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    This will to sacrifice, to devote personal labor and, if necessary, life itself to others, is most highly developed in the Aryan. The Aryan’s greatest power is not in his mental qualities necessarily, but in the extent of his readiness to devote all his abilities to the service of the community. In him, the instinct of self-preservation can reach its noblest form because he willingly subordinates his own ego for the prosperity of the community and is even willing to sacrifice his own life for it, if necessary.

    The reason for the Aryan’s constructive ability and especially his ability to create civilizations does not lie in his intellectual gifts. If he only had intellectual abilities, they might easily be destructive and he would never be able to organize and build. The essential character of the individual depends on his ability to forfeit his personal opinions and interests and to offer them instead for the service of the community. Only by serving his community and assuring its prosperity does he receive his own rewards. He no longer works only for himself, but takes his place within the structure of the community, not only for his own benefit, but for the benefit of all. The most wonderful demonstration of this spirit is through Work. He understands that his labor is not just for his livelihood, but his labor serves the interests of the community without conflicting with community’s interests. Otherwise, the goal of his work is only self-preservation without consideration for the welfare of the community. — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 196

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Re: The Five Universal Laws of Human Stupidity
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2022, 08:19:38 pm »
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Law 3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.

A person who causes losses to others who deserve to be caused loss while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses is a hero.

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A stupid person, according to the economist, is one who causes problems for others without any clear benefit to himself.

Most stupid people are not heroes, but "stupidity" (as defined according to economics) is logically a prerequisite for heroism.

In other words, the problem with worldviews based on economics instead of ethics/aesthetics is that it has no concept of desert.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2022, 06:45:14 pm »
By your logic, helplessness would also be a prerequisite for heroism also, as the person might be helping, say, the LGBT community whilst gaining nothing for himself.
When in doubt, use the 16 Words: 'We must Engineer the Destruction of Western Civilization and Tribalism, and Unite All Races Through Nobility.'

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

History is Written by the Victors.

He Who Controls the Past Controls the Future; He Who Controls the Present Controls the Past.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2022, 07:13:33 pm »
Yes, provided those who are being helped are those who deserve the help being given.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2022, 07:16:33 pm »
How to simply debunk Carlo M. Cipolla

His arguments

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Law 5: A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.

The people who founded and build Western Civilization are not stupid people. But they resulting mass-economic exploitation, racial slavery, and colonialism. Who are more dangerous? The so-called "stupid people" according to Cipolla, or the "non-stupid" people according to him?

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2022, 01:25:39 pm »
Our enemies document another shift from False Left to True Left:

https://vdare.com/posts/the-society-for-personality-and-social-psychology-all-presentations-at-our-annual-meeting-must-uphold-ibram-x-kendi-thought

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Last week the New York University (NYU) psychology professor announced that he would resign at the end of the year from the Society for Personality and Social Psychology, his primary professional association, because of a newly adopted requirement that everybody presenting research at the group’s conferences explain how their submission advances “equity, inclusion, and anti-racism goals.”
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Such diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) statements have proliferated at universities and in academic societies
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But the SPSP requirement went a step further, dropping "diversity" in favor of "anti-racism,"

I have always despised the False Left's celebration of diversity as a leftist value, which is ultimately rooted in relativism. Lacking an absolute sense of value, relativists think that a collection of different things (regardless of what the differences are) is more valuable than a collection of similar things. Diversity can trivially be shown to lead to conclusions contrary to leftism. For example, a society of racists as well as anti-racists would be more diverse than a society of anti-racists only, so those who value diversity would have to conclude that the former is preferable to the latter. Diversity is not what leftists should value. Leftists who value diversity will never agree with eliminating inferior bloodlines.

Also recall the following example:

https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-anti-whiteness-476/msg5081/#msg5081

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For example, if there was currently two "white" (including Jewish) nominees and one "AAPI" nominee and we could change it to three "black" nominees, we would do so without hesitation. Or if there were currently two "white" (including Jewish) nominees and one "black" nominee and we could change it to three "AAPI" nominees, we would do that too. This is what true anti-racist solidarity looks like. Nothing in anti-racism is about self-interest. Everything in anti-racism is about doing whatever it takes to destroy the enemy, including hurting our own ethnic group if necessary.

Two "white" (including Jewish) nominees and one "AAPI" nominee is more diverse than three "black" nominees, but clearly worse. Two "white" (including Jewish) nominees and one "black" nominee is more diverse than three "AAPI" nominees, but clearly worse.

Next, SPSP should get rid of "inclusion". If we value anti-racism, we should obviously not include racists in society, therefore why tout inclusion as a value?

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2022, 03:35:53 pm »
So no 'diversity', no 'tolerance', no 'inclusion'. What then?
When in doubt, use the 16 Words: 'We must Engineer the Destruction of Western Civilization and Tribalism, and Unite All Races Through Nobility.'

Aryan ≠ 'White'.

History is Written by the Victors.

He Who Controls the Past Controls the Future; He Who Controls the Present Controls the Past.

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Re: True Left breakthrough: anti-relativism
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2022, 11:05:25 pm »
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So no 'diversity', no 'tolerance', no 'inclusion'. What then?

Integration, Empathy, and Unity. That's the most good terms to describe our way to eternal freedom