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SirGalahad

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Vegan Jews?
« on: December 02, 2022, 05:39:19 am »
https://www.jewishveg.org/jewish-values-in-action

Interesting website that attempts to connect the Jewish system of ethics to veganism by quoting the Tanakh. The thing that confuses me the most isn’t even the claim itself that the Tanakh could endorse veganism. What confuses me the most is that they go so far as to adopt a universalistic philosophy like veganism and yet somehow still feel the need to be tied down to and salvage a religion that by nature is not universalistic, or even humanistic (Jew vs non-Jew).

This whole topic is interesting to be honest, with Israel being one of the countries with the highest proportion of self-proclaimed vegans. Not sure why that is exactly, but I predict that this will end up being a thorn in our side if veganism were to get more popular in places like America and Europe. Just as acceptance of homosexuality in western occupied countries and Israel has led the Muslim world to respond with reactionary homophobia out of a mistaken belief that such acceptance is typically western, the Muslims who are currently more intrigued by veganism than anything else, will end up quickly changing their tone and probably end up vehemently rejecting it out of that same principle
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Re: Vegan Jews?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2022, 03:34:23 pm »
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or even humanistic (Jew vs non-Jew).

Jews are humanists, they just don't see non-Jews as human. In the Jewish worldview, especially in the Rabbinical tradition, Jews are the most human of all.

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Re: Vegan Jews?
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2022, 04:26:55 pm »
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And God said: "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree that has seed-yielding fruit -- to you it shall be for food." (Genesis 1:29)

There is no disputing that, according to the Torah, God asked human beings to be vegans in his very first conversation with Adam and Eve.

In fact, God issued those instructions right after he gave humans “dominion” over the animals.

So it is clear that “dominion” does not include killing animals for food.

Then why accept Abel's sacrifice and not Cain's, given that Cain was the one following the supposed instruction to be vegan and Abel was the one who wasn't?

The simplest explanation is that Genesis 1:29 wasn't an instruction to be vegan. Indeed, the statement is worded to be about what can be eaten, not about what cannot be eaten.

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The great 13th century Jewish philosopher Nachmanides explained God’s reason for excluding meat from His dietary ideal:

“Living creatures,” Nachmanides wrote, “possess a moving soul and a certain spiritual superiority which in this respect make them similar to those who possess intellect (human beings) and they have the power of affecting their welfare and their food and they flee from pain and death.”

Let's not even get started about why, if Yahweh really did dislike non-vegans, and can predict perfectly what would happen in his creation (as Jews attribute omniscience to Yahweh), he would still go ahead and create creatures who would become non-vegans.....

"What confuses me the most is that they go so far as to adopt a universalistic philosophy like veganism and yet somehow still feel the need to be tied down to and salvage a religion that by nature is not universalistic"

It is a ruse. You yourself detected its utility:

"this will end up being a thorn in our side if veganism were to get more popular"

Jews like to keep all their bases covered in order to maximize their own survivability under any circumstances. It is that simple. Everything Jews do they do with the motive of furthering Jewish survival. Vegan Jews are nothing more than prepper units to ensure Jewish survival in a hypothetical vegan future. Stop assuming they are sincere in anything they do!

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." - Jesus

This is why no ideology that is not explicitly anti-Jewish will ever succeed in eliminating Jews: because Jews will simply adopt that ideology themselves and take it over from within! The only ideology Jews cannot adopt without eliminating themselves is an ideology that strictly requires all Jews to voluntarily stop reproducing.
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Re: Vegan Jews?
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2022, 06:40:06 pm »
"Then why accept Abel's sacrifice and not Cain's, given that Cain was the one following the supposed instruction to be vegan and Abel was the one who wasn't?"

Yeah, this single passage alone utterly destroys the notion that the Tanakh could endorse veganism. The fact that Cain was only punished AFTER having killed Abel is proof enough that "slaughter-based sacrifices are the most sufficient" was one of the core messages of that section of the Tanakh. Cain was already looked upon less favorably even before he had done anything "wrong"

"Stop assuming they are sincere in anything they do!"

As a collective identity, I agree that they absolutely cannot be trusted to be sincere. However, on a more individual level, I do think that there are genuine false leftist Jews that adopt veganism (or anti-racism, or anti-homophobia) for ethical reasons and yet misguidedly cling onto Judaism and even support Israel directly or indirectly. There's definitely some animosity between Jews in different political camps, and I think that's natural since no group is immune from fragmentation or dissention. Not even Yahweh's favorite tribe can be entirely cohesive at all times. I'm not saying that there aren't Jews who co-opt beliefs and identities (including veganism) so that they can control both sides, but I think it's more helpful to distinguish between false left Jews, and the orthodox Jews (who may or may not hide their orthodoxness, depending on the tactics they choose). My issue with the Orthodox Jews is that they're following true-to-form Judaism, and my issue with the false left Jews is that they fall into all the trappings of the false left while also ultimately benefiting the orthodox side, whether they know it or not, and whether they actually want to or not

"'Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.' - Jesus"

This quote describes the Devil, and I agree that our view of the Devil's nature should be uncompromising since I'm an absolute dualist, but for those within the material world and subject to the Devil's whims, I think that it's possible to have God speaking in one ear and the Devil speaking in the other. False left Jews suffer largely from the same problem that non-Jewish false leftists do: something within them is telling them to do the right thing, but the Devil is ultimately speaking louder, and some of his temptations are too enticing. Hence why they possess enough good sense to question the dynamics between humans and non-humans, and even ethnic discrimination, but not enough of it to do away with creator worship and adopt Gnosticism

Thanks for your input on the topic, by the way
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